Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[amaraya]

Sister-in-law of suspect in Gilgo Beach murders 'stunned' and in 'profound' disbelief

"This disbelief alone is profound and altering," said the sister-in-law of Rex Heuermann, who was charged last week in three murders.

www.nbcnews.com

2023
''Dr. Johanna Ellerup, Heuermann's sister-in-law, said in an email to NBC News on Friday that she is
"stunned" and "this disbelief alone is profound and altering."

"I vacillate between desperately wanting my niece and nephew’s life returned to its previous state, intact, without a father accused of being a serial killer to being pleased and secure in knowing that someone is in custody," Ellerup said.

Rex Heuermann’s sister-in-law says family going ‘through a uniquely difficult time’

‘My ego has great difficulty processing the idea that I looked Rex in the eye and was unable to discern any murderous intentions,’ Dr Johanna Ellerup told NBC News

www.independent.co.uk

“My ego has great difficulty processing the idea that I looked Rex in the eye and was unable to discern any murderous intentions.”

Wow. This is one of the most human and normal responses i have ever seen.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Sister-in-law of suspect in Gilgo Beach murders 'stunned' and in 'profound' disbelief

"This disbelief alone is profound and altering," said the sister-in-law of Rex Heuermann, who was charged last week in three murders.

www.nbcnews.com

2023
''Dr. Johanna Ellerup, Heuermann's sister-in-law, said in an email to NBC News on Friday that she is
"stunned" and "this disbelief alone is profound and altering."

"I vacillate between desperately wanting my niece and nephew’s life returned to its previous state, intact, without a father accused of being a serial killer to being pleased and secure in knowing that someone is in custody," Ellerup said.

Rex Heuermann’s sister-in-law says family going ‘through a uniquely difficult time’

‘My ego has great difficulty processing the idea that I looked Rex in the eye and was unable to discern any murderous intentions,’ Dr Johanna Ellerup told NBC News

www.independent.co.uk

“My ego has great difficulty processing the idea that I looked Rex in the eye and was unable to discern any murderous intentions.”

Poignant statements! She's very open about her many feelings, even the ones that are conflicting at times.

I haven't seen this level of insight from AE. It may be there. I'm only saying that I haven't seen it. For many reasons, an adult can lose or relinquish some of their insight for a time. AMOO

 

[eishish]

Have Rex's extended family ever given any statements about him or the investigation? Just curious. TIA

Would be nice if in 50 doc...mom is 93 I think and brother dont think so. Would love to hear from first wife most and whoever else.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Poignant statements! She's very open about her many feelings, even the ones that are conflicting at times.

I haven't seen this level of insight from AE. It may be there. I'm only saying that I haven't seen it. For many reasons, an adult can lose or relinquish some of their insight for a time. AMOO

Well said!
I haven't seen any level of insight from AE imo to date.
MOO.

 

[james.coff]

Missleaders were listed under problems. He was likely talking about sex workers who failed to show up for pick-ups that had been scheduled in person (I'll meet you later for an overnight call) or possibly via phone. This was pre-Internet victims, so it probably wasn't anything to do with misleading photos.

Very interesting!! Can you tell me where you found that info please. TY

 

[james.coff]

A night manager claimed that she checked in on July 17 instead of July 6. This manager has yet to come forward or sign an affidavit. The hotel has also failed to respond.

Credit card statements with a clear arrival date vs. the word of an unknown night manager who Ray allegedly contacted, but has yet to come forward.

Guess which one holds more weight?

Also, "interpretations" with no precedence or logical explanation are the same thing as factual errors. Otherwise, you could excuse any old nonsense with an appended "MOO" or "interpretation."

I am so close to agreeing with this, but I don't consider it fully factual yet (most likely is ) because there are no charges for the first few days, with the other days having at least one, lots of shoe stores. I mapped them all out, looks like they took a trip to the outlets and also to went to Wildwood, so I figure the two hotel charges were done at the time of checkout for incidentals . My hesitation is that they took several trips to Wildwood, which is about one hour away.

So, although I think they probably went to Wildwood for the beach on several days, especially since AC was really gross back then, the lack of charges the first week, along with that, makes me want to see charges from the first week to physically place them in NJ.

Since it is on the cusp of the billing cycle, it makes sense that they may not appear on this bill, but this bill does not place them in AC physically until 7/12. The could have booked it online ahead of time so the arrival date isn't enough for me to be sure. (I know it seems overboard, but I am a facts only person, so I need to have real evidence). If I were the defense attorney, I would be all over that.

 

[james.coff]

Then ignore her. Tierney is not simply not mentioning her. He is forcefully adding the information that the family was out of town when he mentions each charge.

Why wouldn't he just talk about the charges, let the press bring up the family, and then just say that they are not suspects or subjects at this time and are fully cooperating with the investigation?

That's SOP. For some reason. Tierney is not doing the usual.

He even delayed charging Maureen until he had the credit card receipt he dubiously claims shows Asa out of town. He didn't need that info to charge Rex. He needed that info so he could do his strange routine of mentioning that the family was out of town in the same breath as announcing the charges.

It is very unusual. LE doesn't generally have time to nor do they reap investigative benefit in "clearing" people. They just announce people are not subjects or suspects and move on.

MOI

 

[james.coff]

Then ignore her. Tierney is not simply not mentioning her. He is forcefully adding the information that the family was out of town when he mentions each charge.

Why wouldn't he just talk about the charges, let the press bring up the family, and then just say that they are not suspects or subjects at this time and are fully cooperating with the investigation?

That's SOP. For some reason. Tierney is not doing the usual.

He even delayed charging Maureen until he had the credit card receipt he dubiously claims shows Asa out of town. He didn't need that info to charge Rex. He needed that info so he could do his strange routine of mentioning that the family was out of town in the same breath as announcing the charges.

It is very unusual. LE doesn't generally have time to nor do they reap investigative benefit in "clearing" people. They just announce people are not subjects or suspects and move on.

MOO

I have been thinking the same exact things! Event the way he wrote out the daughter was in kindergarten felt so childish and aggressive to me. If the District Attorney of Suffolk County can't understand that John Ray was obviously talking about ones we don't know about yet, when she was older, I am very worried about the whole case.

Then I wonder if they might want the family to think that but are investigating them and want them to be off guard. They did that with Castilla. They knew years ago that Bittrolff wasn't a suspect, but kept it private, which I think is very smart.

Either way, there is just waaay too much emphasis on it, which I really hope isn't some immature, unprofessional dig at JR.

 

[james.coff]

I tend to believe Tierney when he says that Rex acted alone. There is a lot of evidence that hasn't been disclosed to the public. What we do know is that the family was out of town during each murder. That is a clear pattern. We also know that Rex contacted sex workers via burner phones, even when he planned on using their services as normal. That, to me, suggests he was actively hiding his "hobby" from his wife and kids. In fact, that may have been the reason he started using burners in the first place.

I think many people want to believe that others were involved because it adds further mystery. The lie is often more entertaining than the truth.

However, the evidence indicates that this was not the case.

I don't think people want to believe things for more mystery. People have been wanting answers for years, so that wouldn't make sense. I think some people just don't want to rule anything out because that would be irresponsible, yet the one he has been charged with so far, do seem to be solo.. My thought is that many of us think there are a lot more victims out there, so it's a possibility that he may have started out with someone or was groomed. Maybe not, but we really don't know.

I remember people going crazy about the idea of him doing it at the house. I remember SO many comments about how that was impossible in a house that small, and it were going off on people who mentioned it (not on this site), but if you look at the layout of the home, the basement is the entire size of the home and basements are not allowed to have that sq included as part of the overall sq fooatge, so that makes for a pretty large home. And the storage thing in the backyard does not connect with the home, rather a lot of stairs to a space underneath the house. My Aunt lived in a the same style house, right by Berner HS and half of the basement was one of the kids bedrooms, then a door to a big room with a bar. I remember that we stayed there when we had Hurricane Gloria and were not allowed to leave that room for whatever reason. And then there was also a little laundry room down there.

I think people get so set on what they believe to be true based on the evidence they have but, we all need to be more open and I find that some of the people really attached to the case from the beginning become closed off, and I can understand that, but Fresh Eyes are also valuable, being one of the reasons cold case squads are so valuable.

 

[snarast]

I don’t know who, outside the current investigative team, could rule out anything at all regarding RH’s murderous journey.

That doesn’t mean I believe in everything Tierney’s team tells the public, though. Like, it’s just unlikely he has only murdered people inside his house. Yup, that is my opinion based on the HK2002-document and nothing more than that.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I have been thinking the same exact things! Event the way he wrote out the daughter was in kindergarten felt so childish and aggressive to me. If the District Attorney of Suffolk County can't understand that John Ray was obviously talking about ones we don't know about yet, when she was older, I am very worried about the whole case.

Then I wonder if they might want the family to think that but are investigating them and want them to be off guard. They did that with Castilla. They knew years ago that Bittrolff wasn't a suspect, but kept it private, which I think is very smart.

Either way, there is just waaay too much emphasis on it, which I really hope isn't some immature, unprofessional dig at JR.

From the press conferences I've seen, it appears to me that DA Tierney speaks only concerning the case(s) he is dealing with at the moment. He has detailed the team's working method: they take all the evidence from one victim and work just that. One case doesn't influence the next.

The evidence tells them whether or not RH was involved and whether or not the family was home. I see Tierney's stressing that the family was out-of-town or out-of-state tying the circumstances of the case under discussion to those already charged, highlighting RH's method of working on the particular crime under discussion. I thoroughly believe that when/if the Taskforce ever works a case where the family was home and the MO changes (we've seen it happen already) then Tierney will state that the family was home at the time of the crime just as he has said they were not home with the 6 RH is charged with so far.

RH is charged with the crimes the authorities believe they can win convictions on. Unless they reach the same stage of belief for other crimes, I doubt we'll even know which cases they are working.

It is my opinion that some of the deaths we believe belong to RH don't, and some we've never considered in his tally do. Among all the cases, even though the taskforce believes they belong to RH, there are probably some that will never be charged because there's not enough evidence to secure a conviction - yet. Forensics continue to improve. Prob better to not charge with weak evidence and wait than charge and lose the conviction as double jeopardy won't allow the same person to be charged later for the same crime.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure what the DA understands and doesn't understand as he has said they work in secret and he only talks when they can bring charges.

So far, so good, but the waiting is really tough.

 

[Patienceiam]

Since RH's attorney was speaking of those phones, I've had a thought: Is my memory correct that after the taunting calls to Melissa's sister, photos of ?was it Times Square ? were obtained at the time the calls were made hoping to spot someone on the phone. Unfortunately, IIRC, the location was packed with people on the phone and there was no way to tell who the killer might be. NOW, though, with RH's size and shape being so distinctive, wouldn't it be fantastic evidence if the Taskforce has gone back to those photos to see if RH appears in them?

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

 

[whiterhino]

I don’t know who, outside the current investigative team, could rule out anything at all regarding RH’s murderous journey.

That doesn’t mean I believe in everything Tierney’s team tells the public, though. Like, it’s just unlikely he has only murdered people inside his house. Yup, that is my opinion based on the HK2002-document and nothing more than that.

Just butting in here bc something that has been bothering me is the part in the document about "body wash". Was this done at home or ? Were they being held captive in the house? Sorry if this is well known info, I'm not up to date.

 

[Patienceiam]

I never heard that.

The GB4 are still the GB4 because there are more similarities among them than say, with Costilla, who was assumed to be a victim of Bittrolff's for which he was never charged up until Tierney dropped the charge on Rex, seemingly out of nowhere.

As for Taylor and Mack, they were each assumed to be killed by the same person for years. That person was not necessarily the Gilgo Beach killer. There is archive material that probably represents a lot of Trish's digital storage bill of heated debate about if the dismembering killer, often the "Manorville Butcher" was the same person as the Gilgo Beach killer, who was assumed to have killed the GB4.

Maureen has some differences, though. The time is different, the belt is different, the charge came at a different time, there was a troll-campaign to not bother charging on Maureen ("He's going away for life anyway, what's the difference?") the clarity of the location of Rex's family is different. I think the wrapping material might have been different, but I am not sure if I recall speculation or facts on the wrapping. It is different in that it is the case that got the most attention from Commissioner Hart, although she may not have had intended to connect the belt to Maureen.

MOO

I have a theory about the belt and why Maureen was the only one w it. I think she fought like hell, more than he anticipated and more than he was prepared for. Or perhaps he thought she was dead and traveled to dump her but then realized she wasn't dead and maybe in a desperate attempt to subdue her/silence her/as sick as this is - make sure she was dead-he grabbed whatever was closest laying around or maybe he had emergency "tools" in his truck and the belt was one of them so he grabbed it but wasn't part of his original plan and that's why it was left there. Maybe he was all thrown off if she put up a fight and feared someone was coming down the road or something so in haste left the belt on her mistakenly. Again, these are just my theories but I think it's more plausible than assuming Maureen was murdered by someone other than LISK due to all the other similarities.

 

[willy wagtail]

If they can pin point where burner phones were can't they try to do the same with his for the dates they think he was active?

 

[snarast]

Just butting in here bc something that has been bothering me is the part in the document about "body wash". Was this done at home or ? Were they being held captive in the house? Sorry if this is well known info, I'm not up to date.

I think the hypothesis is that RH evolved toward lengthy torture of his victim in his house when the family/wife/mom was away. Source: Ray Tierney’s last two press conferences.

As an architect living in a hoarder house, he must have understood how hard it would be to get rid of their hair etc in a meticulous fashion. So possibly he hosed them down elsewhere, maybe in/using the avalanche.

 

[snarast]

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside.

 

[CuriousCricket]

He had an office INSIDE a building in midtown, for his architect company, "RH Consultants" (19 West 36th Street #9, New York, NY 10018). I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt he was outside in the crowds making those calls. I don't know why most people don't consider the fact that he was most likely INSIDE one of the buildings near where the calls were made. Not outside. Especially now that we know he had an office right there.

You know, you're right. Because they had utilized the cameras in Times Sq, my brain stayed there. I hope they have those messages. If so, I'll bet they can tell from the background noise. Thanks, because that's another point to ponder --
background sounds.

@snarast
"Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside."

I've thought the same thing. And think caution could work both ways. He might worry about being overheard if outside. However, people stride around at a pretty fast pace and if he were walking too, no one would catch more than a word or two - even if tuned in.

Perhaps people would wander into his office, but he could have locked it for crucial conversations.

Maybe even if we knew the times of the calls -- lunch time or after hours when RH more likely had the office to himself and might have felt comfortable enough -- perhaps after locking his office door?

Since I see RH as a game player, if he thought LE might try to find the killer using the cameras, I can see him enjoying wandering around in a noisy crowd . . . in plain sight knowing he was invisible - then. Now of course, with his height and build, I believe he'd stand out in those photos.

 

[snarast]

You know, you're right. Because they had utilized the cameras in Times Sq, my brain stayed there. I hope they have those messages. If so, I'll bet they can tell from the background noise. Thanks, because that's another point to ponder --
background sounds.

@snarast
"Would be interesting to know. I can see how caution might lead him to make such calls outside his office rather than inside."

I've thought the same thing. And think caution could work both ways. He might worry about being overheard if outside. However, people stride around at a pretty fast pace and if he were walking too, no one would catch more than a word or two - even if tuned in.

Perhaps people would wander into his office, but he could have locked it for crucial conversations.

Maybe even if we knew the times of the calls -- lunch time or after hours when RH more likely had the office to himself and might have felt comfortable enough -- perhaps after locking his office door?

Since I see RH as a game player, if he thought LE might try to find the killer using the cameras, I can see him enjoying wandering around in a noisy crowd . . . in plain sight knowing he was invisible - then. Now of course, with his height and build, I believe he'd stand out in those photos.

Sometimes people record conversations in the workplace unknowingly or deviously. So - risky since what was said is tied to you by location. It’s not just fleeting conversation by a stranger.

That said, maybe he would enjoy talking in his office in particular, watching his underlings while verbally torturing victims’ families.