Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Mr.Dandy]

I hadn’t heard of Jamie Seymour before. Wow she looks good as a LISK victim! IMO…And she could fit the timeline perfectly. Right there between Jessica and Maureen. But where could he have dumped her?

 

[snarast]

I hadn’t heard of Jamie Seymour before. Wow she looks good as a LISK victim! IMO…And she could fit the timeline perfectly. Right there between Jessica and Maureen. But where could he have dumped her?

Fire Island I’m guessing.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Fire Island I’m guessing.

Fire island Doe? That was Karen Vergata I think.
Jamie Seymour is most likely dead. Yes, still an opinion, but backed by fact. She had a huge lump on her neck from a thyroid condition. She would have eventually showed up at a doctors office. But she has not.

 

[FromGermany1]

I'm not really sure if green Rubbermaid containers would be in higher demand on Christmas just because they're green. Do you expect green plant pots or rakes to go on sale during Christmas?

Green Rubbermaid containers make, IMO, sense to have been utensils of the gardening wife perhaps.

 

[snarast]

Fire island Doe? That was Karen Vergata I think.
Jamie Seymour is most likely dead. Yes, still an opinion, but backed by fact. She had a huge lump on her neck from a thyroid condition. She would have eventually showed up at a doctors office. But she has not.

No, I don’t mean KV. RH seems to enjoy bringing parts of his different victims together and so far no one else than KV has been found on FI.

So I’m thinking he may have placed others’ body parts on FI that are yet to be recovered. So that KV would have company or something.

It’s a wild not to say desperate guess.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

No, I don’t mean KV. RH seems to enjoy bringing parts of his different victims together and so far no one else than KV has been found on FI.

So I’m thinking he may have placed others’ body parts on FI that are yet to be recovered. So that KV would have company or something.

It’s a wild not to say desperate guess.

Oh ok. I see what you mean. I thought you were actually referring to a doe that had been found. I feel like Karen Vergata may, have at least partially, been dumped into the ocean and washed ashore. That would be another reason a body may never turn up.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I completely agree about men. I don’t think they are part of his victim list but….. it does prove that there were other killers using parts of Long Island as their dumping ground. I don’t know if that fact alone muddies the waters but it is true. It could see doubt about some of the other estranged victims.

Good work here @Mr.Dandy @TOMBISHOP and @SimsGuy67 …..

IDK….. wondering if might be good not to remove any possible victims yet based on the victims gender? Thinking - what if the assailant was not initially aware of the individual’s gender? Or maybe it was disguised? MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I hadn’t heard of Jamie Seymour before. Wow she looks good as a LISK victim! IMO…And she could fit the timeline perfectly. Right there between Jessica and Maureen. But where could he have dumped her?

I really, really feel strongly about Jamie as a potential victim. There are just too many similarities to other victims. Occupation, last seen location, time of year (two years almost to the day after the last charged murder), age, physical description (she's taller than some, but only an inch taller than Megan, she also has hazel eyes and a slim build) ....

As to why no part of her has been found, well, maybe he disposed of her differently. I think on his kill plan he mentioned dumpsters as a possible disposal option. If she went to landfill, possibly dismembered and scattered between several different bins, she will never be found. If she's somewhere still on the island, either in the woods or on the dunes, she may one day be recovered.

MOO

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Good work here @Mr.Dandy @TOMBISHOP and @SimsGuy67 …..

IDK….. wondering if might be good not to remove any possible victims yet based on the victims gender? Thinking - what if the assailant was not initially aware of the individual’s gender? Or maybe it was

I really, really feel strongly about Jamie as a potential victim. There are just too many similarities to other victims. Occupation, last seen location, time of year (two years almost to the day after the last charged murder), age, physical description (she's taller than some, but only an inch taller than Megan, she also has hazel eyes and a slim build) ....

As to why no part of her has been found, well, maybe he disposed of her differently. I think on his kill plan he mentioned dumpsters as a possible disposal option. If she went to landfill, possibly dismembered and scattered between several different bins, she will never be found. If she's somewhere still on the island, either in the woods or on the dunes, she may one day be recovered.

MOO

I could see this. I wonder if he tried different disposal methods but found he really liked when they were discovered and made the news. He needed his trophies.

 

[dotr]

I really, really feel strongly about Jamie as a potential victim. There are just too many similarities to other victims. Occupation, last seen location, time of year (two years almost to the day after the last charged murder), age, physical description (she's taller than some, but only an inch taller than Megan, she also has hazel eyes and a slim build) ....

As to why no part of her has been found, well, maybe he disposed of her differently. I think on his kill plan he mentioned dumpsters as a possible disposal option. If she went to landfill, possibly dismembered and scattered between several different bins, she will never be found. If she's somewhere still on the island, either in the woods or on the dunes, she may one day be recovered.

MOO

There is a new post today by Jamie's ex- boyfriend on her thread..

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NJ Post in thread 'NJ - Jamie Seymour, 21, Brick, 22 Jul 2005'

Jul 17, 2022

So proud of the Seymour girls for never giving up on Jamie, keep fighting. Love you guys

• Nkunk12

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[PaulaDC]

Green Rubbermaid containers make, IMO, sense to have been utensils of the gardening wife perhaps.

I've got those exact same green (and blue) Rubbermaid containers. I'm going to say I've had them since the early 90's. Not Christmas colors but the colors of the day. Rose/pink was also around then and I have that color too. Same colors my kitchen counters were when we built in '89.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

In the case of Karen Vergata, I wonder if any of the ferries or those in charge of tracking parking fees or permits kept any records from the 1990s, or more specifically from 1996, that LE thought was helpful?

The only reason I wonder this is because Karen Vergata was last heard from on February 14th and tragically some her remains were discovered on Fire Island in April 1996. Unlike in May - August, when there are a lot visitors coming to the area for the parties and pretty beaches, Fire Island doesn’t really attract a lot of tourists to the area in February. If any such logbooks did exists from the ferries, those in charge of tracking who paid for parking and such, or any possible accountants or employees who used such book helped track weekly or daily profits and costs, perhaps the details from February 1996 could help the LE narrow down on the perps because their travel or expenditures would stick out compared to summer months? Particularly if they noted who paid by card, check, cash and such or if they noted regular customers by name or if they noted the times of said trips and many clients were aboard during them. Perhaps such information or details could help LE track the perp’s movements or perhaps track KV if she was one of the clients aboard and/or was traveling with someone? I wonder if such information from restaurants and hotels or bed and breakfasts on Fire Island would be helpful at that time?

Or if perhaps instead they suspect that the perp had access to theirs or their family’s summer home on the island, their own boat or brought their own car with them, and perhaps hopefully some type of record of its transportation to the island exists somewhere, and that was how they were able to not only commit KV’s horrible murder but also heinously transport and discard some of her remains on the island without getting caught or attracting attention from LE and witnesses alike beforehand?

The tragic mid-air explosion of TWA Flight 800 over East Moriches also occurred in 1996, on July 18th, causing the loss of 229 lives. According to US Naval Institute the search area was the size of Rhode Island and included deep sea divers and robotics who also searched the waters outside of Fire Island. What were the chances that the perp was not panicking or exhibited a behavioral change at this time considering the search could have also led to the discovery of more of Karen Vergata’s remains, had any also been washed or thrown into the surroundings bays or waterways, or had Gilgo Beach, like Jones Beach, also been included into the search area? Was this behavioral change or panick noted by anyone? Did the perp return to Gilgo Beach or keep themselves updated, almost obsessively, about the results of the search in case more of Karen Vergata’s were discovered leading to not only to the discovery of her identity but also theirs? And if so, does anyone remember now and could their memories be helpful now to investigators, in identifying Karen Vergata’s murderer, whether it is RH or not, so that LE can apprehend them and her family can obtain get the justice they and KV deserve?

Just my own thoughts/theories
Of course they could be wrong

The Crash of TWA Flight 800: 'Nobody Could Survive This'

When TWA Flight 800 explode

www.usni.org

NPS Incident Reports - Fire Island National Seashore

Gilgo Beach victim Jane Doe No. 7 identified as Karen Vergata

Karen Vergata was identified as the remains almost three decades after her legs were found in a plastic bag at Davis Park on Fire Island’s Blue Point Beach on April 20, 1996.

nypost.com

 

[Mr.Dandy]

That’s very interesting…. The plane crash. Part of me wonders if Rex was excited when his victims were found. Not that she is one, just hypothetically. Excited, but nervous too. If Karen was his victim, she would have been the first known dismemberment. Now, that’s a pretty hard thing to pull off… regardless of who killed her. It requires time, space, tools, privacy, ideal clean up.
As for records, I’m sure LE looked for Karen herself and any other potential suspects they may have had back then. They would be terrible cops if they didn’t. Now that Rex is out, I hope they cross reference with him

 

[Mr.Dandy]

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[I am not Sherlock H.]

That’s very interesting…. The plane crash. Part of me wonders if Rex was excited when his victims were found. Not that she is one, just hypothetically. Excited, but nervous too. If Karen was his victim, she would have been the first known dismemberment. Now, that’s a pretty hard thing to pull off… regardless of who killed her. It requires time, space, tools, privacy, ideal clean up.
As for records, I’m sure LE looked for Karen herself and any other potential suspects they may have had back then. They would be terrible cops if they didn’t. Now that Rex is out, I hope they cross reference with him

Somewhere up thread IIRC @Mr.Dandy I believe I recall reading something along those lines? I believe that computer or similar internet search history had indicated the suspect was searching for updates on victims in the case? And IIRC details as to possible discoveries in the case as they were being reported? (I won’t be able to find it now. And I don’t think I am confusing with another case but I might well be.) MOO

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Somewhere up thread IIRC @Mr.Dandy I believe I recall reading something along those lines? I believe that computer or similar internet search history had indicated the suspect was searching for updates on victims in the case? And IIRC details as to possible discoveries in the case as they were being reported? (I won’t be able to find it now. And I don’t think I am confusing with another case but I might well be.) MOO

Indeed. I know his internet search history is part of LEs key evidence (that they have released), but I don’t recall Karen ever being a part of that. However, her identity was revealed during the course of RHs arrest and subsequent investigation. I don’t know if that means she was a potential victim, still a potential victim or ruled out completely, for whatever reason.

Unfortunately, cases of this magnitude have a ton of discussion, making it difficult to hone in on when particulars were discussed. I doubt I’m the only one who has had these same thoughts. However, I enjoy discussing the possibilities.
I have begun reading Robert Kolker’s lost girls again. I find that too much social media has seeped into fact in this case. I wanted to reintroduce myself to the case before that happened. Before too many people started making their opinions facts, which sadly, has happened. It’s funny. I kept reading the letters FIJD, and I was so confused as to who it was referring to. Of course. Fire island Jane doe, who, of course, has been identified as Karen Vergata.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Indeed. I know his internet search history is part of LEs key evidence (that they have released), but I don’t recall Karen ever being a part of that. However, her identity was revealed during the course of RHs arrest and subsequent investigation. I don’t know if that means she was a potential victim, still a potential victim or ruled out completely, for whatever reason.

Something just occurred to me concerning his searches. The timing of his searching for names and the date LE knew who a body was would be incriminating IF RH ever searched by name for someone who was still unidentified. That would not have happened, of course, if his searches were just broad searches for updates on LISK.

If a body had been found but was unidentified and RH searched for the name of the woman she was later identified to be . . . WOW

After names were announced, of course, by name searches wouldn't mean anything. Don't many of us do that for background? But if RH ever searched too early, perhaps trying to see if LE had any idea who she was, that would be very damning evidence.
Perhaps he did not know their real names as I believe many or most used aliases. But any name later associated with the victim and a location would be telling. As would searches for news of locations where a victim was later found.
LE seems to have so very much information on so many devices to trawl through, how time consuming if must be (and take an army) to examine and compare every detail, then connect all the tiny pieces.
I just wonder at the stories all those searches really tell.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Something just occurred to me concerning his searches. The timing of his searching for names and the date LE knew who a body was would be incriminating IF RH ever searched by name for someone who was still unidentified. That would not have happened, of course, if his searches were just broad searches for updates on LISK.

If a body had been found but was unidentified and RH searched for the name of the woman she was later identified to be . . . WOW

After names were announced, of course, by name searches wouldn't mean anything. Don't many of us do that for background? But if RH ever searched too early, perhaps trying to see if LE had any idea who she was, that would be very damning evidence.
Perhaps he did not know their real names as I believe many or most used aliases. But any name later associated with the victim and a location would be telling. As would searches for news of locations where a victim was later found.
LE seems to have so very much information on so many devices to trawl through, how time consuming if must be (and take an army) to examine and compare every detail, then connect all the tiny pieces.
I just wonder at the stories all those searches really tell.

Oh wouldn’t that be interesting. Suppose they got Karen’s name from Rex….and sure enough, the remains were hers? That would be a wow! Of course, that’s only speculation at this point.
Let’s step back to the planning doc. He mentions something along the line of “small like Megan”. Who is Megan? This was long before Megan Waterman. Many of the girls went by other names online. I believe Valerie went by Melissa. Melissa? Megan? Could those names be confused? Did Rex even know their real names until they were reported missing or found? I know the phone number from Rex’s papers was linked to Danielle Goodling and there has been much speculation that she was Megan, yet no one could ever confirm she actually went by that name. Just that the document seemed to insinuate such. Just another piece of the puzzle yet to be filled I suppose.

 

[FromGermany1]

Maybe, he stalked the girls before his first contact already until he got their real name. With the real name he was able to control, whether the girls officially would be missing by someone in the near future and since when and by whom (relative or not).

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Maybe, he stalked the girls before his first contact already until he got their real name. With the real name he was able to control, whether the girls officially would be missing by someone in the near future and since when and by whom (relative or not).

I definitely think he’d had contact with every girl at least once before, with the exception of maybe Sandra and Valerie. Sandra, we just don’t know enough about, and Valerie wasn’t a frequent visitor of New York. At least from what I read about her. If anyone can contradict that, I’d love to see it.