Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[nhmemorymaker]

I still think he will take a plea deal, I don't think he wants to sit in court listening to weeks of testimony about his sexual proclivities and what he did to his victims,

that will make me sad, in a sadistic way, I guess................
Can't you just imagine all of us watching THAT one???
We would learn much toomuch.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm on the fence.
Pondering a bit about this if he does go to trial.

Since he goes back to his cell each day when court recesses then whatever reactions/evil desires that could be activated' in him viewing evidence can't be played out again like before he was arrested and thought about what he's done or viewed any souvenirs he kept, etc.
Like how he'd jump on the internet to visit his favorite sites, or call a SW or begin planning a another torturous murder.
We have no idea what goes on a SK'ers mind and body and by being exposed to his past evil actions without having a release may visibly put him over the edge during the trial, physical outbursts,mental madness?

If he takes a plea deal then it's off to prison and unless it's extreme circumstances which legally warrant it he gives up the right of appeal.
Basically it's over for him.

If he's guilty at trial then the appeal is filed and he remains in jail for as long as the litigation goes on and that could be years.
imo

This IS why I think he will go to trial. He's already got his kids and wife in his court, as flimsy as that court may be.
So, I don't think he wants it to be all over.

If he takes a plea deal then it's off to prison and unless it's extreme circumstances which legally warrant it he gives up the right of appeal.
Basically it's over for him.

 

[Bekind89]

He may plead out but IMO it won't be to avoid hearing about what he did. I think it's part of his dark nature to get a thrill from it.

JMO

I haven't really followed the investigation, I just drop in occasionally to see what is happening.
Does anyone believe RH is not the only killer, that someone else may have been involved?
Just curious.

 

[snarast]

Yes...they say 500 over 4 years.... so 125 a year, leaving well over 200 days a year he did not. I just wonder, however, how his brain was working alllll those other days! Silly, I know. My guess is that the computer googling filled allll those days.

I’m thinking the distribution is not even or for that matter Gaussian.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I’m thinking the distribution is not even or for that matter Gaussian.

oh... i am sure that is true... I am just playing with words and phone calls of a seriel killer!!!!

 

[Ruminations]

I haven't really followed the investigation, I just drop in occasionally to see what is happening.
Does anyone believe RH is not the only killer, that someone else may have been involved?
Just curious.

It was a surprise when he was charged for Sandra; that murder was widely believed to be by Bittroff. Even LE drew a circle around Bittrolff for that Murder.

A popular content creator and researcher, Josh Zeman, and others, seemed so sure Tanya, formally known as Peaches, was going to be the same suspect as other victims such as Jessica and Valerie, describing them as the bookends in terms of their placement. He and others were certain they had to be related, but in the end, Rex has been credibly charred with killing Jessica and Valerie, while another person has been accused of killing Tanya, and there does not appear to be a reason to doubt that charge, after the shock wears off.

So, it is clear there are other murderers.

Rex does seem somewhat more social than the average serial killer. It does seem like he probably would have shared some crimes, at the very least, with others, if not actual murder. Some witnesses have said that he could not possibly have been undetected in sex work consumption, but knowing someone is illegally buying sex and not saying anything is not a crime as far as I know. So others knowing about frequent sex worker use would not be involved, per se.

By all appearances, he did things like go to swing clubs, strip clubs, parties and bars, and obtained illegal drugs which could be just for victims but seemed a bit social, too...

And, there is a horrific, credible statement from a witness that possibly put others with Rex and a possible victim, Karen, on the night she was possibly murdered.

But of the 7 murders for which he is charged, I don't think there are people theorizing that those murders involved other murderers.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Rex does seem somewhat more social than the average serial killer. It does seem like he probably would have shared some crimes, at the very least, with others, if not actual murder. Some witnesses have said that he could not possibly have been undetected in sex work consumption, but knowing someone is illegally buying sex and not saying anything is not a crime as far as I know. So others knowing about frequent sex worker use would not be involved, per se.

By all appearances, he did things like go to swing clubs, strip clubs, parties and bars, and obtained illegal drugs which could be just for victims but seemed a bit social, too...

And, there is a horrific, credible statement from a witness that possibly put others with Rex and a possible victim, Karen, on the night she was possibly murdered.

But of the 7 murders for which he is charged, I don't think there are people theorizing that those murders involved other murderers.

MOO

Abbreviated and BBM.

That statement did ring true. And it makes sense that Karen’s torso was never found. Unlike the others (one hopes), Karen (allegedly) was seen by Åsa - if she was killed by Rex, he had to dismember and disfigure her so that she was not found in an identifiable manner. Even a pregnant lady with a superhero complex and her head in the sand would notice Karen’s face in the news after that encounter. If indeed it took place.

 

[snarast]

oh... i am sure that is true... I am just playing with words and phone calls of a seriel killer!!!!

And I would like to let my silly little data science brain loose on these datasets!!.!!.

 

[snooptroop88]

I am guessing based on what I read that a defendant that takes a plea of life without parole in NY might have some leverage in a scenario where he is later somehow tied to murder in a death penalty state. NOT a lawyer, but just viewing things through the legal lens as best I can with limited knowledge and the sources I just viewed.

It was a surprise when he was charged for Sandra; that murder was widely believed to be by Bittroff. Even LE drew a circle around Bittrolff for that Murder.

A popular content creator and researcher, Josh Zeman, and others, seemed so sure Tanya, formally known as Peaches, was going to be the same suspect as other victims such as Jessica and Valerie, describing them as the bookends in terms of their placement. He and others were certain they had to be related, but in the end, Rex has been credibly charred with killing Jessica and Valerie, while another person has been accused of killing Tanya, and there does not appear to be a reason to doubt that charge, after the shock wears off.

So, it is clear there are other murderers.

Rex does seem somewhat more social than the average serial killer. It does seem like he probably would have shared some crimes, at the very least, with others, if not actual murder. Some witnesses have said that he could not possibly have been undetected in sex work consumption, but knowing someone is illegally buying sex and not saying anything is not a crime as far as I know. So others knowing about frequent sex worker use would not be involved, per se.

By all appearances, he did things like go to swing clubs, strip clubs, parties and bars, and obtained illegal drugs which could be just for victims but seemed a bit social, too...

And, there is a horrific, credible statement from a witness that possibly put others with Rex and a possible victim, Karen, on the night she was possibly murdered.

But of the 7 murders for which he is charged, I don't think there are people theorizing that those murders involved other murderers.

MOO

Amen, couldn't agree more on this. Even the existence of that "HK" doc at all-- it's so casual and almost conversational, it's "chatty" in the most horrifying way possible. It's exponentially disgusting to people (including myself) for that very reason (among other obvious reasons), but jmo.

There's something more in this, another level, I think, we just don't know what it is yet. But there's some way things fall into place on this that is going to be chilling. And after everything we've already seen, I find it hard to believe it can get worse, but evidently, it can.

There are implications-- serious ones-- in the suspected involvement of a second murderer, imo for any Ocean Parkway victim. But particularly a victim in extremely close proximity to a victim Heuermann's been charged with. And this is piling down on top of the "coincidences" with Bittrolff and the wood dust and the CS similarities.

I was watching a couple of people on YouTube discussing this, think one was Josh Z, and think Joseph Giacalone. And they seemed simultaneously aghast to the point of amusement over this idea that there's such a thing as a "known" area for dumping bodies. I have to agree with them, seriously. Right, murderers just "know" the spots, the spot is just "known" to the murderers. "Known" place to dump victim remains. Uh, how...? Are the police also aware of the "known" spots?? I mean, if so, why not patrol those "known" spots so the police "know" there are no dead bodies there...???

 

[Betty P]

It was a surprise when he was charged for Sandra; that murder was widely believed to be by Bittroff. Even LE drew a circle around Bittrolff for that Murder.

A popular content creator and researcher, Josh Zeman, and others, seemed so sure Tanya, formally known as Peaches, was going to be the same suspect as other victims such as Jessica and Valerie, describing them as the bookends in terms of their placement. He and others were certain they had to be related, but in the end, Rex has been credibly charred with killing Jessica and Valerie, while another person has been accused of killing Tanya, and there does not appear to be a reason to doubt that charge, after the shock wears off.

So, it is clear there are other murderers.

Rex does seem somewhat more social than the average serial killer. It does seem like he probably would have shared some crimes, at the very least, with others, if not actual murder. Some witnesses have said that he could not possibly have been undetected in sex work consumption, but knowing someone is illegally buying sex and not saying anything is not a crime as far as I know. So others knowing about frequent sex worker use would not be involved, per se.

By all appearances, he did things like go to swing clubs, strip clubs, parties and bars, and obtained illegal drugs which could be just for victims but seemed a bit social, too...

And, there is a horrific, credible statement from a witness that possibly put others with Rex and a possible victim, Karen, on the night she was possibly murdered.

But of the 7 murders for which he is charged, I don't think there are people theorizing that those murders involved other murderers.

MOO

I never really felt that Peaches and baby were his victims. Their killings just didn't fit the profile I had in mind for LISK. I didn't see him picking up a sex worker with a child, nor killing a child. Early on, it seemed LISK had his system down pat. He seemed to have a system for stalking, killing and disposing of his victims. Picking up a sex worker accompanied by a child introduced a whole lot of extra risk for problems, attracting attention, distraction, etc. not to mention I didn't think he had sexual attraction to small children.

That said, Gilgo Beach seemed to inadvertently become a convenient place to dispose of bodies. In a large, densely populated region, it was remote, very dark at night, publicly accessible and close to a major highway. Because of Jones Beach, concerts, etc. a lot of people were familiar with the spot. I wonder if back in the day, teen couples used it as a "parking" spot on dates. It's not too surprising that Peaches "partner" thought of it as a dumping spot. It's still puzzling as to why she and her daughter were placed so far apart, JMO.

I also agree, it seems unlikely Rex partnered with someone else to commit any of his murders. He was very socially active on the swingers and sex party scene, agree. I have a feeling some people probably strongly suspected or even knew Rex was the LISK. He may have even bragged or hinted to others, though probably anonymously on online social media or at those sex clubs and parties (pre-internet days). He seemed like a guy who liked to brag and talk about himself, so seems likely he would want to share what he thought of as his "superiority" to the other sex addicts. JMO. My hinky meter tells me there was someone out there who knew or strongly suspected Rex was LISK. BTW, the defense claim that Burke was involved in the killings is false. Neither one of those guys would have bothered to partner with someone else. They were both in their own little worlds. It's possible Burke suspected Rex, though. Given his own precarious legal situation, it's not surprising he kept that to himself.

 

[Bekind89]

It was a surprise when he was charged for Sandra; that murder was widely believed to be by Bittroff. Even LE drew a circle around Bittrolff for that Murder.

A popular content creator and researcher, Josh Zeman, and others, seemed so sure Tanya, formally known as Peaches, was going to be the same suspect as other victims such as Jessica and Valerie, describing them as the bookends in terms of their placement. He and others were certain they had to be related, but in the end, Rex has been credibly charred with killing Jessica and Valerie, while another person has been accused of killing Tanya, and there does not appear to be a reason to doubt that charge, after the shock wears off.

So, it is clear there are other murderers.

Rex does seem somewhat more social than the average serial killer. It does seem like he probably would have shared some crimes, at the very least, with others, if not actual murder. Some witnesses have said that he could not possibly have been undetected in sex work consumption, but knowing someone is illegally buying sex and not saying anything is not a crime as far as I know. So others knowing about frequent sex worker use would not be involved, per se.

By all appearances, he did things like go to swing clubs, strip clubs, parties and bars, and obtained illegal drugs which could be just for victims but seemed a bit social, too...

And, there is a horrific, credible statement from a witness that possibly put others with Rex and a possible victim, Karen, on the night she was possibly murdered.

But of the 7 murders for which he is charged, I don't think there are people theorizing that those murders involved other murderers.

MOO

Thank you and sorry for the late reply.
I agree with you about RH being unusually social for a SK. This is why I have always wondered if he had a partner in crime, so to speak. I'm not saying that I believe he did, it it just something that has always bothered me. ( The possibility.)

 

[snarast]

I am guessing based on what I read that a defendant that takes a plea of life without parole in NY might have some leverage in a scenario where he is later somehow tied to murder in a death penalty state. NOT a lawyer, but just viewing things through the legal lens as best I can with limited knowledge and the sources I just viewed.

Amen, couldn't agree more on this. Even the existence of that "HK" doc at all-- it's so casual and almost conversational, it's "chatty" in the most horrifying way possible. It's exponentially disgusting to people (including myself) for that very reason (among other obvious reasons), but jmo.

There's something more in this, another level, I think, we just don't know what it is yet. But there's some way things fall into place on this that is going to be chilling. And after everything we've already seen, I find it hard to believe it can get worse, but evidently, it can.

There are implications-- serious ones-- in the suspected involvement of a second murderer, imo for any Ocean Parkway victim. But particularly a victim in extremely close proximity to a victim Heuermann's been charged with. And this is piling down on top of the "coincidences" with Bittrolff and the wood dust and the CS similarities.

I was watching a couple of people on YouTube discussing this, think one was Josh Z, and think Joseph Giacalone. And they seemed simultaneously aghast to the point of amusement over this idea that there's such a thing as a "known" area for dumping bodies. I have to agree with them, seriously. Right, murderers just "know" the spots, the spot is just "known" to the murderers. "Known" place to dump victim remains. Uh, how...? Are the police also aware of the "known" spots?? I mean, if so, why not patrol those "known" spots so the police "know" there are no dead bodies there...???

I’m not forgetting Dennis Rader’s strange request to Wichita police and/or FBI to answer his question of whether floppy disks were a safe way to communicate.

He asked them to place an ad answering his inane question in a magazine referring to him as - Rex.

I thought of the HK doc - when I stopped just being really shaken by it to the point off puking -as a kind of bragging. Or the sadist ring’s README.txt.

 

[sds71]

The defense, in its newly filed court papers, appears to question the motives of the prosecution, which recently said it would not seek to present to a jury Heuermann's statements to police after his arrest, saying the prosecution had "apparently experienced an epiphany and now claims in its opposition papers that these same statements constitute inadmissible self-serving hearsay statements," which he said denies Heuermann "the right to contest the voluntariness of these statements through a pretrial suppression hearing."

Calling it "suspect," Caponi said Heuermann would give up his right to a suppression hearing on the statements if prosecutors agree not to introduce the statements and agree not to attempt to use the statements to impeach Heuermann's credibility if he takes the stand in his own defense at trial.

Caponi also argued a photo of Heuermann that detectives showed to a person whom prosecutors called "Witness #1," be excluded as evidence. Detectives asked the witness "whether he could identify the person in the photograph as someone he had seen on some other occasion relative to this case.

"Heuermann maintains that the subsequent identification procedure orchestrated by law enforcement personnel was unduly suggestive, cannot be justified by any exigency, and must be suppressed," Caponi wrote

Gilgo Beach killings suspect Rex Heuermann skips court hearing over health concerns

Rex Heuermann's defense attorney said he has been using crutches to get around for the past month.

www.newsday.com

 

[sds71]

We’re learning why the accused Gilgo Beach serial killer was absent from court today:

His defense team says Heuermann is on crutches and dealing with health issues, and with the hearing lasting only minutes, they opted to keep him back.The brief appearance moved the case forward — with both the defense and the Suffolk County DA saying they are ready for trial.

Next court date: April 8

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033912094219788788

 

[Ruminations]

Thank you and sorry for the late reply.
I agree with you about RH being unusually social for a SK. This is why I have always wondered if he had a partner in crime, so to speak. I'm not saying that I believe he did, it it just something that has always bothered me. ( The possibility.)

I think it is also a more likely possibility that Rex has partner(s) in crimes less serious than murder. For example, I think he partied with people who knew a different side of him than his work associates. But did not know he killed.

That said, the Karen Vergata witness haunts me. (Rex has not been accused of that murder.)

MOO

 

[minazoe]

and Asa was supposedly there. mOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

The defense, in its newly filed court papers, appears to question the motives of the prosecution, which recently said it would not seek to present to a jury Heuermann's statements to police after his arrest, saying the prosecution had "apparently experienced an epiphany and now claims in its opposition papers that these same statements constitute inadmissible self-serving hearsay statements," which he said denies Heuermann "the right to contest the voluntariness of these statements through a pretrial suppression hearing."

Calling it "suspect," Caponi said Heuermann would give up his right to a suppression hearing on the statements if prosecutors agree not to introduce the statements and agree not to attempt to use the statements to impeach Heuermann's credibility if he takes the stand in his own defense at trial.

Caponi also argued a photo of Heuermann that detectives showed to a person whom prosecutors called "Witness #1," be excluded as evidence. Detectives asked the witness "whether he could identify the person in the photograph as someone he had seen on some other occasion relative to this case.

"Heuermann maintains that the subsequent identification procedure orchestrated by law enforcement personnel was unduly suggestive, cannot be justified by any exigency, and must be suppressed," Caponi wrote

Gilgo Beach killings suspect Rex Heuermann skips court hearing over health concerns

Rex Heuermann's defense attorney said he has been using crutches to get around for the past month.

www.newsday.com

Once you toss something into a public garbage receptacle it's considered abandoned property so I don't get where the defense is coming from with this "privacy laws" violation.
imo

"Prosecutors have argued state Supreme Court Justice Timothy P. Mazzei should deny all of the defense's requests, including for the judge to throw out DNA evidence linking Heuermann to the killings because it was first discovered on a discarded pizza box and therefore allegedly violated privacy laws."

 

[Izzylizzy]

I can't wrap my head around this claim by the defense.
Anyone?


"In a rebuttal filed Monday, Heuermann defense attorney Sabato Caponi attacked the prosecution's basis for receiving warrants to access Heuermann's computer and phones as "pure speculation," saying there is no evidence linking Heuermann to any of the burner phones used to contact the victims."

Gilgo Beach killings suspect Rex Heuermann skips court hearing over health concerns

Rex Heuermann's defense attorney said he has been using crutches to get around for the past month.

www.newsday.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Attorney Michael Brown's site.
All of Newsday's articles on RH's court appearances' have a screen shot for easy reading.

Top of page "IN THE NEWS"

Accused Killer Excused | Michael J. Brown PC Lawyer

BY NICOLE FULLER AND GRANT PARPAN [email protected] [email protected] Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann was excused from court Tuesday over health concerns as a Suffolk judge set a decision date on requests by the defense to exclude some evidence at his upcoming...

michaelbrownlaw.net

 

[DS2021]

I can't wrap my head around this claim by the defense.
Anyone?

They're grasping for straws atp