Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

Is this the woman who had the boyfriend cop, picked Kren up and went to Rex's home? Im trying to remember. She said they went in the the house and met Heuermann and his wife. She said Karen went downstairs while the others stayed upstairs. When the women and the cop left, she said they saw Karen run outside naked near the garage. I think that's the one...isn't it??

Yes, it was the lady who signed an affidavit and was interviewed by JR and on tv about her experience. She was worried that something bad happened to Karen.

Is that how she died? The public doesn't know and it needs to come out. That's why I'm questioning Tierney's language, saying Rex "agreed to take responsibility" for Karen's death. Does that mean her case is closed? Are the investigative files and details of Rex's "confessions" available to the public?

I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling it will be difficult for anyone to get access to that information.

 

[Betty P]

RH didn't pay for Michael Brown.

Brown is being paid by tax dollars through the Suffolk County and New York State-funded assigned counsel program.
imo

I'm trying to remember who is paying for Rex's wife's attorneys?

 

[othram]

Thank you!!!

Were you guys following this case from the beginning, too?

Yes!

 

[wildblue]

I've never heard John Ray say Heuermann's daughter was involved in the murders. He implied that she knew or suspected he had killed women in the past or was aware of things she saw at home that made it seem she knew of the murders.

JR will probably continue to be active in advocating for full investigation into the other murders. It's not an easy job, but someone has to do it. Someone has to represent the families of the victims.

It’s good that there is someone to represent the murderer’s innocent family members from baseless insinuations in order to get fame and money.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Is this the woman who had the boyfriend cop, picked Kren up and went to Rex's home? Im trying to remember. She said they went in the the house and met Heuermann and his wife. She said Karen went downstairs while the others stayed upstairs. When the women and the cop left, she said they saw Karen run outside naked near the garage. I think that's the one...isn't it??

I think you're right.

Also, by RH admitting to KV's murder and closing the case, there won't be anymore work on it.

Case closed - officially. I will probably always wonder.

ETA: I thought the witness recalled it being around Valentine's Day? This MSN
From this, RH supposedly met her in April 1996 . . . . hmmmmm

 

[Warwick7]

I think you're right.

Also, by RH admitting to KV's murder and closing the case, there won't be anymore work on it.

Case closed - officially. I will probably always wonder.

Did Karen have children?

 

[Ruminations]

Yes, it was the lady who signed an affidavit and was interviewed by JR and on tv about her experience. She was worried that something bad happened to Karen.

Is that how she died? The public doesn't know and it needs to come out. That's why I'm questioning Tierney's language, saying Rex "agreed to take responsibility" for Karen's death. Does that mean her case is closed? Are the investigative files and details of Rex's "confessions" available to the public?

I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling it will be difficult for anyone to get access to that information.

I feel like an awful lot of Suffolk County corruption just dodged a dose of sunlight with this plea deal.

Rex's only defense would have been bringing up Suffolk County dirt, including including the whole, sloppy Bittrolff conviction.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

Did Karen have children?

two sons MSN

 

[wildblue]

It is the daughter's right to sue John Ray for defamation.

Shannan Gilbert has her her own thread. But it was no accident. Yes, LE declared it an accidental drowning before her body was even recovered, but it is not supported by the evidence. LE has lied about that investigation, especially about the 911 tape.

MOO

Please link to where a reputable source has confirmed the police lied and Shannon was a murder victim.

 

[Vaderman]

i am not a lawyer, but i’m wondering if part of the plea deal was RH wanting to avoid the DP. NY doesn’t have the DP, but say his DNA enters CODIS and we find many victims in states that do enforce the DP… he’ll have to serve for these crimes first in NY even if he is guilty of others in other states, correct?

just thinking out loud here

I always wonder how much weight the death penalty truly factors in with these pleas. Realistically, one's more likely to pass from age before an execution is actually.

 

[wildblue]

I'm trying to remember who is paying for Rex's wife's attorneys?

Do you mean his ex wife?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Good point.

I also found it odd that, at his PC, Prosecutor Tierney stated that Rex "agreed to take responsibility" for the death of Karen Vergata. What does that mean? He didn't plead guilty? I'm still not comfortable with that part of the plea deal.

WRT possibility of Rex's DNA matching murders of women in other states, will Suffolk County cooperate? Will they allow Rex to be extradited to other states for trials?

I believe it's because he can't plead guilty to something he was never charged with? I'd like to know what it means when they said he can't be prosecuted on any other charges related to these 8, or I'm not sure if that included KV. What other charges were there in relation to those victims? MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I'm trying to remember who is paying for Rex's wife's attorneys?

I believe we never learned that...or anything at all about who sent them. They just appeared and immediately started to criticize LE, lied about cat-napping, claimed the family lived in a car when they had a hotel room, and managed to turn the community against the wife by speaking for her in a very disrespectful way towards the victims, plus speaking about her in a very disrespectful way, making her seem physically and mentally disabled.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Please link to where a reputable source has confirmed the police lied and Shannon was a murder victim.

It's on the Shannan thread.

 

[maamager]

I always wonder how much weight the death penalty truly factors in with these pleas. Realistically, one's more likely to pass from age before an execution is actually.

you know what — i think you’re right.
it’s probably more likely he just didn’t want the details about the insane amount of digital storage he had in his possession to be revealed in trial.

 

[Ruminations]

Did Karen have children?

Yes. .

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

It’s good that there is someone to represent the murderer’s innocent family members from baseless insinuations in order to get fame and money.

I just wish the family attorney didn't destroy the family's reputation. The entire neighborhood was sending Asa support and gifts and offering help with the house until Macedonia stepped in.

MOO

 

[wildblue]

Why do you think she hasn't sued him?

She may not have the funds for an expensive defamation suit, she may not want to be attacked anymore by a lawyer who has no qualms about insinuating things for which he has no proof, she may not be litigious, she may want, now past her father’s admission of guilt, just to try to heal from finding out that her own father did such despicable crimes. I can think of many reasons but somewhat understand, from watching docs on the children of murderers, that it can be a long, hard process to ever come to grips with such a terrible thing, filled with mixed emotions of anger, guilt, sorrow. It may just be too much for her right now.

 

[Warwick7]

I didn't realize some of the people that were in that courtroom today.

"The four women's bodies were found as authorities searched for the remains of another woman - Shannan Gilbert - who called police late one night in May 2010 screaming that "they" were trying to kill her."

"Eileen Coletti Edwards was at court on Wednesday on behalf of her father, who let Gilbert into his Oak Beach home after she knocked on his door on the night she disappeared. He tried to call police but Gilbert ran."

"He was holding out hope that she had escaped and was hiding," said Coletti Edwards, whose father died before Heuermann's arrest."

(I'm glad to read that.)

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I don't think that it looked good that Asa called her husband her "hero", after he was arrested, even as they divorced.

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[wildblue]

I just wish the family attorney didn't destroy the family's reputation. The entire neighborhood was sending Asa support and gifts and offering help with the house until Macedonia stepped in.

MOO

I try to put myself in her shoes. Being shell shocked over the horrific allegations against someone you love, you don’t know who to trust and have no money and, perhaps, wherewithal to find someone to help you. One would probably accept help from the first to offer it. I think the same goes for the families of the murder victims. It might be helpful to have better attorneys but that’s, perhaps, not a choice they had.