Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[stx722]

People are creatures of habit a Zebra never loses his strips. So If I had a question to ask it would be what is the purpose of hurting so many people and their families. Heck I am not related in any shape or form and it’s hurt my heart. I also noticed a lot of these serial killers are highly intelligent individuals and blend in I truly believe they are born with this darkness in them.

It's often said that "a grade-school teacher knew," meaning that early on a teacher or other person in that type of position recognized some form of deviant behavior because they see so many kids. And yes, I also believe that some people are born with this type of darkness in them.

 

[Sjöberg]

If the belt came from the grandfather ( his monogram) I really find it hard to believe that the wife never saw it on the news. The monogram is also distinct in its design. Were there other items with the grandfathers monogram in the home? It was reported that the home was pretty much as it was when the grandfather lived there so there must have been other items of the grandfathers in the home. Did any of those items bear that monogram?

I'm not sure she would recognize it.

MOO, reasoning being: I lived in the home where my grandparents and great-grandparents had lived. There was SO MUCH random stuff left from their lives (all but 1 of them are long gone). Some items probably had some monograms. Some items were gifted, inherited, or left over by other family members. I'd recognize the more interesting stuff, like the box grandparents got for their wedding that we kept documents in or that watch-necklace thing granny had that I loved or my great-grandmothers headcomb. But a random tiny mens clothing item, like a belt? Nope, sorry. And my partner would probably recognize almost none of these items.

 

[Ursamajr]

Just watched the presser. What I took from it: New York State Police took the case and assigned ONE investigator back in February of 2022. Within a month they had Heuermanns name.

Suffolk County PD has a lot to answer for. As a New Yorker with immediate family in both Nassau and Suffolk Counties, I am livid.

 

[iamshadow21]

Just watched the presser. What I took from it: New York State Police took the case and assigned ONE investigator back in February of 2022. Within a month they had Heuermanns name.

Suffolk County PD has a lot to answer for. As a New Yorker with immediate family in both Nassau and Suffolk Counties, I am livid.

I'm nowhere near NY, but I am equally angry, for you and others in the community who have had to live in the shadow of this, and for the families of the victims. At least two mothers aren't alive to see this day (Mari and Lorraine). How many other friends and family died without answers when this was so solvable? So, so livid.

MOO

 

[NeverPersonal]

I think she may have met him on a call with the child in tow or left the child in her car. It's far more common than it should be. He may have not known she brought a child until after he killed her. But did other women have drivers or were picked up a motel by him?

I mean, take a look at his Google searches. He definitely liked younger girls and I think that's why he went for petite girls. Makes me sick typing it but it seems to be true

 

[FlukeU]

Asides from details about the evidence being removed from the house and/or storage lockers - and how it’s further incriminates RH to the Gilgo four, or others murders/missing people we don’t know about <modsnip: sleuthing wife/not victim friendly>

To that point - It seems like LE felt like RH was on the verge of striking again. The well documented incident at Brady Park in Massapequa was within a few weeks ago and SCPD have confirmed RH was under surveillance at the time of that incident - furthermore a police report was filed from that incident. SCPD has also confirmed he was still currently actively soliciting sex workers and still currently in possession of a burner phone. It’s seems like he was ready for his wife to get the travel bug and RH had pieces in place. I highly doubt he stopped the killing and if he did, it appears he was itching to come out of retirement in the very near future.

Another though - with 200 guns in the house, Kudos to the police for nabbing him coming out of his office in NYC and arresting him away from that arsenal. With him on suicide watch now, a potential deadly standoff if he barricades himself in the basement would not have been pretty.

The idea of whether RH ever purchased the NYS 4x4 a fishing permit is a very interesting thought by a previous poster. He did own a 4x4 Chevy Avalanche and that would allow him access to literally miles of brush and dunes that is not widely traveled and accessible 24hrs. His old dumping grounds along Ocean Parkway is not an option any longer - there is a bike path on that side of Ocean Parkway and the path is fenced off on the road by a short wire fence making it an obstacle to step over and also no longer able pull up and park close to the brush - simply not practical. The dunes on the other side of Ocean Parkway - especially ocean facing with the 4x4 permit would provide even an older man in his late 50’s now a very easy option. This Night fishing permit records are easily accessed as the permit requires a drivers license ID and the NYS Marine Registry and proof of registration to be issued the 4x4 permit - all easily accessible by the state for a quick check I would think. I’m a fisherman and find that many fisherman on LI duck hunt in the winter along the same waters. We know he duck hunted and took out friends duck hunting and used camo burlap on the girls that is typically used to disguise duck hunting boats and blinds. Perhaps he was a fisherman and had access to miles of rarely charted dunes that has no mainstream public access.

MOO

 

[MrsPC]

Just watched the presser. What I took from it: New York State Police took the case and assigned ONE investigator back in February of 2022. Within a month they had Heuermanns name.

Suffolk County PD has a lot to answer for. As a New Yorker with immediate family in both Nassau and Suffolk Counties, I am livid.

It makes sense that they sort of want "credit" but I'm curious (and I'm not in NY) why it took so many years for state police to be involved in the first place? Were they not involved when the bodies were found?

 

[KellySleuth]

Hackett later told 48 Hours that yes, he had called Mari Gilbert. But he said he called her a week later for friends who were helping with the search and never said he met Shannan or rendered “medical care of any sort.”

CBS News reported that phone records, however, showed that he called Mari Gilbert on his wife’s phone on May 3, the day Mari said she got a call from him. Hackett said he just couldn’t remember his story. “A person gets a lot of phone calls,” he told CBS.

You can read Hackett’s letters here.


Dominick Varrone, former Chief of Detectives, told CBS News that Hackett wasn’t a suspect. Strange calls like that were usual for him.

Varrone told CBS: “He’s an individual who likes to get involved. Some call him a storyteller and an exaggerator.” Varrone also said that police didn’t know about the nature of Hackett’s call until months later, which was why they didn’t investigate him right away.

Dr. Peter Hackett in Real Life: Where Is He Today?

Dr. Peter Hackett is a mysterious character on Lost Girls. Who is he in real life and where is he now? Learn about him here and see letters he wrote about the case.

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Did Hackett have any connection to the police detective? chief? who was jailed?

 

[Warwick7]

found this that were left on the victims RH is being tied to

Tied to? I don't understand the sentence.

 

[fred&edna]

It makes sense that they sort of want "credit" but I'm curious (and I'm not in NY) why it took so many years for state police to be involved in the first place? Were they not involved when the bodies were found?

Is it likely SCPD didn't want anyone outside of their agency looking into anything that happened in Suffolk??

 

[Ursamajr]

It makes sense that they sort of want "credit" but I'm curious (and I'm not in NY) why it took so many years for state police to be involved in the first place? Were they not involved when the bodies were found?

It's both a complicated and simple explanation. The simple answer: Suffolk County PD is a corrupt bunch. Thomas Spota who was the DA out in Suffolk from 2002 - 2017 is currently in prison for obstruction of justice. His best buddy, James Burke, the former Police Chief in Suffolk, was also convicted and has already served his sentence. Personally, I think they both got off lightly and most of their crimes were swept under the rug. If you're ever bored, search up their names for an infuriating read about coercion of witnesses, assualt, and coverups aplenty oh my!

 

[amaraya]

It makes sense that they sort of want "credit" but I'm curious (and I'm not in NY) why it took so many years for state police to be involved in the first place? Were they not involved when the bodies were found?

To be fair SCPD is notoriously corrupt imho

 

[NeverPersonal]

I remember seeing days ago a news link that said "RH cries he didn't do this outside of court room as he's led away" or something but now I cannot find it. Anyone got it? Or did he say it in court and I am misremembering?

 

[NeverPersonal]

James Burke

@MrsPC

Disgraced cop who stymied search for Gilgo Beach serial killer

James Burke, the disgraced former chief of Suffolk County Police Department, hampered the Gilgo Beach investigation by taking the FBI off the case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The disgraced former chief of Suffolk County Police Department, James Burke, was at the center of the storm, which culminated in his imprisonment in 2016 for 46 months for battering a thief who stole a bag from his police car which contained porn and sex toys.

Shocking details emerged about Burke's alleged fondness for drugs and prostitutes. He has also been described by colleagues as a 'psychopath' who was always 'horny' and thought he was 'untouchable'.

 

[Azabu]

It makes sense that they sort of want "credit" but I'm curious (and I'm not in NY) why it took so many years for state police to be involved in the first place? Were they not involved when the bodies were found?

It seems like there was no focus at all is solving these horrible demonic murders until DA Tierney formed the task force. Great work so far but 12 years late in starting. So unfair to all of the victims and their families.

 

[sds71]

I remember seeing days ago a news link that said "RH cries he didn't do this outside of court room as he's led away" or something but now I cannot find it. Anyone got it? Or did he say it in court and I am misremembering?

Heuermann’s court-appointed defense attorney Michael Brown noted his client was crying when the two met and said, “I didn’t do this.”

Wife’s DNA on the bodies found at Gilgo Beach led to arrest of Rex Heuermann

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. (PIX11) — Even though architect Rex Heuermann allegedly used “burner” phones to set up dates with sex workers before they turned up dead, he may not have banked on…

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[Ursamajr]

Is it likely SCPD didn't want anyone outside of their agency looking into anything that happened in Suffolk??

Absolutely. Also...

"On May 5, 2011, at a meeting of the Public Safety Committee of the Suffolk County Legislature, (Dominick) Varrone called it a "consolation" that the killer didn't appear to be "selecting citizens at large -- he's selecting from a pool."

The Gilgo 4 were treated as subhuman by Rex Heuermann and then by the Suffolk County PD and local politicians. Justice for the victims should include Suffolk County answering for their lack of care and progress on this case.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Nightmare fuel:

His client briefly recounted that evening to The Post.

“I was only with him in my home to review the scope of work,” she said. “I even gave him a ride to his home in Long Island from Brooklyn. At one point on the drive we talked about the Gilgo Beach murders — we even discussed the burlap and why someone would use that. In retrospect, thinking about that conversation, it’s just bone-chilling.”

Link: Client of Rex Heuermann details ‘bone-chilling’ encounter driving him home

 

[NeverPersonal]

Absolutely. Also...

"On May 5, 2011, at a meeting of the Public Safety Committee of the Suffolk County Legislature, (Dominick) Varrone called it a "consolation" that the killer didn't appear to be "selecting citizens at large -- he's selecting from a pool."

The Gilgo 4 were treated as subhuman by Rex Heuermann and then by the Suffolk County PD and local politicians. Justice for the victims should include Suffolk County answering for their lack of care and progress on this case.

couldnt agree more

 

[ArianeEmory]

Re: Suffolk corruption… I joined websleuths about ten years ago, and at the time the LISK threads were very active, including a poster who was giving all this extremely detailed, inside info about how bad the corruption situation was there. I realize now that was Hawkshaw, but I really had no idea how to evaluate the quality of the info back then and it all seemed so complicated. I stopped trying to get a handle on it.

Then Burke got arrested and … well, if you don’t know the backstory it’s worth searching out one of the longform articles on it. Needless to say my jaw hit the floor.