Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[overkosten]

So, RH was not yet charged in the murder of MBB, but that seems like it might happen in the very near future. MBB was very likely his first victim (certainly first of the famed Gilgo 4 predating the other three by two years). Its worth noting that the belt with the "WH" initial (presumably belonging to his late father William Heuerman), was taken off the body of MBB, as the others were mentioned being bound by duct tape and not belts. According to the bail document; the buckle of that "WH" belt had the hair of RH's wife on it - meaning it was probably from the house where they both resided and not stored away on some closet or storage bin or storage unit that his wife did not frequent. The belt was out in plain sight in their house to the point where a hair of his wife's could thankfully find its way on it. If the belt was in plain sight, one would think the "WH" initials would be seen at some point by anyone in the house visiting, or otherwise. The photos of the initials were all over the TV and newspaper the days after the SCPD released those photos. A friend of mine in SC even saw it on the news as did its his dad too.
Also interesting in the MBB case, is that she is the only one of the four not associated with the duck blind camouflage burlap. We know from the bail docs that it mentions only 3 of the 4 girls in burlap and that two of the victims had hairs removed from the burlap (Waterman and Costello mentioned by name). Furthermore, we know that canine unit PO who initially found the Barthelemy body specifically mentioned 'disintegrated burlap'. So that leaves MBB as the sole outlier. She was two full ears prior to the other 3 girls, bound with three belts instead of duct tape, and picked up from NYC (not Long Island motels like the other girls). The use of a family object like a custom belt hints that RH grabbed what was laying around in a pinch, and perhaps what happened to MBB was not planned for and his initial killing was not as premeditated as other years later. MOO. Anyone who googles a picture of the duck-blind camo burlap and is familiar with the brush on the side of Ocean parkway will see an absolutely perfect match and one that clearly shows a well thought out and premeditated choice. The duck blind camo isn't your typical army camo, it matches the tans and brown grasses of ocean marsh brush identically (see photo attached) - and is designed to do so as that is where these duck blinds typically are located. We see a killer evolving, preparing for his next kills, fine tuning, being a little more meticulous, but luckily not meticulous enough.

Duck blinds....Wasn't there some mention of "narrowed it down to two members of the duck hunting club" in the killing season?

 

[NyxNY]

Montauk boys as in Montauk project. I’ll warn you it’s a very deep rabbit hole you may not want to venter into but extremely interesting and possibly connected to Long Island having so many serial killers in such close proximity.

I encourage you to watch The OA on Netflix. Fiction, but along these lines

 

[adbou00]

Does anyone local or anyone who followed the Eve Brown case know if her case was ever solved? I came across a website regarding her case and a possible connection to LISK a few years back. What's interesting her parents lived in North Massapequa. PREGNANT WOMAN’S ‘99 SLAY REOPENED

 

[CityKid]

Human skeletal remains found in woods off Long Island highway: State police

Skeletal remains were found in a wooded area just feet away from a busy Long Island highway, the New York State Police said.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Found 7-13-2023

This appears to be unrelated. He's been identified. He disappeared after a party in April.

Remains found on LI highway ID’d as man who vanished from Native American reservation

Family members were told authorities were treating the case as a homicide because of the “horrific violence” found at the scene.

nypost.com

 

[fidgeypie]

Manhattan, New York County, New York

Unidentified white Female

NamUs #UP5703
Date of Discovery: February 10, 2003
Location of Discovery: Manhattan, New York County, New York
Estimated Date of Death: 1970 to 2003
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Cause of Death: Homicide by strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 15-21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'1", Estimated
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Light-colored, possible red.
Eye Color: Unknown

Distinguishing Marks/Features: Petite build.

Dental- She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times.

Clothing: Bra (size 32A) and pantyhose.

Jewelry: Yellow metal ring with the initials "P Mc. G" May be read as P G Mc. A 1966 Bulova watch.

Additional Personal Items: 1969 (some sources state 1968) dime found with the remains. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim, as well as a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.

Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may have abused drugs, and possibly worked as a prostitute, as scraps of glittery clothing were recovered at the scene.

Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available

Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered

DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Investigating Agencies

Case Contributors

Angela Soler, Forensic Anthropologist
Office of Chief Medical Examiner New York City
(212) 447-2030

NamUs Contact
The Regional Program Specialist contact for this case is Lori Bruski
(817) 718-7904
[email protected]
NamUs #UP5703

Information Source(s)
NamUs #UP5703

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

What about this doe, struck by the plastic soldier found at the scene, early precursor to dolls?

 

[Friday13]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

 

[svpernin]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

I think it’s highly likely that he lurked and I would not be the least bit surprised (but would be very creeped out) if he posted.

 

[LongIsland731]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

I suspect he did. Mainly because a lot of google searches lead here. If he was obsessively googling the case he must have at one point ended up here.

 

[Friday13]

I think it’s highly likely that he lurked and I would not be the least bit surprised (but would be very creeped out) if he posted.

Creeped out indeed!

 

[x_files]

Just the NY Post article, but I don’t think someone would come forward admitting publicly that they had a felony record, a drug addiction and were escorting unless they are being truthful. I don’t know if he shared much detail but I find it interesting that he brought up LISK with this girl, just like he did with the young interior designer that he had met through a networking group in Manhattan. He must’ve gotten off seeing the reactions of these women when the then-unsolved murders were brought up, I’m sure it was an incredible power trip for him to know he was “known” to everyone, especially these women without being KNOWN. Sick.

Even if she tipped off a cop, would they have even believed her? Some of The Long Island cops seemed very dismissive if the documentaries Lost Girls and Killing Season are indeed correct.

Cops Ignored Crucial Tip about ‘Ogre’ in Chevrolet For Over a Decade in Long Island Serial Killer Case: Reports

For over a decade, Suffolk County law enforcement disregarded a crucial tip in the gruesome Gilgo Beach murders case, neglecting to act upon a general description of the suspect and the make and model of the car he drove. According to the New York Post, when a new task force reexamined the...

www.crimeonline.com

 

[Lex141]

In my opinion, this is a reference to the Springfield M1903 rifle. Which was the standard issue rifle for the US military from 1903 to 1936. Its a great rifle and clean examples are highly sought after by gun collectors.

M1903 Springfield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Manhattan, New York County, New York

Unidentified white Female

NamUs #UP5703
Date of Discovery: February 10, 2003
Location of Discovery: Manhattan, New York County, New York
Estimated Date of Death: 1970 to 2003
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Cause of Death: Homicide by strangulation

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 15-21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'1", Estimated
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Light-colored, possible red.
Eye Color: Unknown

Distinguishing Marks/Features: Petite build.

Dental- She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times.

Clothing: Bra (size 32A) and pantyhose.

Jewelry: Yellow metal ring with the initials "P Mc. G" May be read as P G Mc. A 1966 Bulova watch.

Additional Personal Items: 1969 (some sources state 1968) dime found with the remains. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim, as well as a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.

Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may have abused drugs, and possibly worked as a prostitute, as scraps of glittery clothing were recovered at the scene.

Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available

Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered

DNA Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete

Investigating Agencies

Case Contributors

Angela Soler, Forensic Anthropologist
Office of Chief Medical Examiner New York City
(212) 447-2030

NamUs Contact
The Regional Program Specialist contact for this case is Lori Bruski
(817) 718-7904
[email protected]
NamUs #UP5703

Information Source(s)
NamUs #UP5703

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

What about this doe, struck by the plastic soldier found at the scene, early precursor to dolls?

This is a case that haunts me. They were never able to place a date on that toy soldier . Artifacts date from I believe a 1968-1969 dime and a garment label they ID as 1988. Bag of Rat poison as well. The building is no longer there but RH had access all over the NYC metro area w his work. My mind also went immediately to this case when RH was arrested.

 

[x_files]

I’m sure it’s been said before but does anyone think he lurked here or even had a profile on here?

yes

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Has LE ruled him out of the other Gilgo Beach bodies? Should I even expect such a statement?

 

[mucbetam]

Expanding on my earlier post about unsolved FBI cold cases, I now add in all adjacent states giving a list as follows:

• South Carolina
• Georgia
• North Carolina
• Nevada
• California
• Oregon
• Idaho
• Utah
• Arizona
• New York
• Pennsylvania
• New Jersey
• Connecticut
• Massachusetts
• Vermont

I decide to include ages of 5 to 30; year 1988 onwards; MO the same (because adding in shooting weapons and blunt objects yields 1000s of results). Filtering in this way and performing a summarising exercise with the data yields as follows:

My initial observation was that California was extraordinarily high in the number of unsolved cases of this type. However, I then realised that the population of California is probably very high. So in the last two columns I've scaled the number of unsolved murders of these types, as a per 1,000,000 in the population figure. This actually makes Nevada and Oregon the more disturbing.

Takeaways:

= The total of unsolved murders of this type are 387 between 1988 and 2013 (Dataset cuts off at 2014).
= The average per million people living in these states is 2.73 (rounded up, 3 girls or women unsolved).
= The states with the most unsolved are by far, California, followed by Georgia, Pennsylvania and New Jersey
= The states with the most unsolved per capita are Nevada, California, Georgia and Oregon.
= The majority are white (includes hispanic), with a ratio to black of approximately 1.56 to 1.
= Of the RH 'property states': New York has a low rate per capita, Nevada has a huge rate and S Carolina seems to have none in this dataset.

Source: mucbetam's websleuths.com cut of Murder Accountability Project Data, founded by Thomas Hargrove.

Important caveats: Not quality assured; potentially contains data and calculation errors; not an 'official' gov dataset; some may have been solved since this dataset

Any questions, let me know.

PS. Any LE working in this or related areas, I am out of contract, and available from c. 31 August or before if you or your team have data/stats/modelling/analytical/resource need, feel free to reach out by DM.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

I went through all of the photos and articles I could find about the searches which have been conducted since RH's arrest and compiled a list of the items seized so far (ETA: items listed in bold are items I think are noteworthy and/or have not been discussed here previously):

- Black Chevy Avalanche (Friday, July 14)
- Cooler (Friday, July 14)
- Black leather chair/ottoman with wooden legs (Friday, July 14)
- Box containing miscellaneous items including an open pack of red Solo cups and what appears to be a bag of cat treats (Saturday, July 15)
- Copy machine, seized from RH's office in Midtown Manhattan (Saturday, July 15)
- Large item wrapped in gray plastic and sealed with red evidence tape (Saturday, July 15)
- Wood panel (Saturday, July 15)
- Large black metal filing cabinet (Saturday, July 15)
- Plastic bag containing miscellaneous items, including an empty box of cough syrup and a small gum ball machine (Saturday, July 15)
- Stack of books (Saturday, July 15)
- Carved wooden glass-front case containing a blond-haired doll (Saturday, July 15)
- Cat scratch pole and food (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of miscellaneous items, including a Nespresso box and what appears to be a stuffed animal (Saturday, July 15)
- Framed photo of a fighter jet (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of what appears to be toys and stuffed animals (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing some type of wooden object (Sunday, July 16)
- Bin containing rifles (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing what appears to be electronics (Sunday, July 16)
- Torn-open recliner chair (Sunday, July 16)
- Multiple rifles, including one with a scope (Sunday, July 16)
- Winchester rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Playboy magazines (Monday, July 17)
- Film negatives (Monday, July 17)
- Poster of the TV show "M.A.S.H." (Monday, July 17)
- Metal rifle case, nondescript (Monday, July 17)
- Camouflage fabric rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Antique firearm case (Monday, July 17)
- Unframed painting of a blond-haired woman with dark pupils and bruising underneath the eye (Monday, July 17)
- Honey-colored wooden chest of drawers (Monday, July 17)
- Stack of manila envelopes, presumably containing evidence, one with "#b2" written on it (Tuesday, July 18)
- Pet cat (Tuesday, July 18)
- Framed "Lichtenstein: The Princely Collection" art poster (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red lifejacket (Tuesday, July 18)
- Miscellaneous papers and newspaper clippings (Tuesday, July 18)
- Old Playboy magazines (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red electric guitar with embroidered blue strap (Tuesday, July 18)
- Box of items including what appears to be a grenade (Tuesday, July 18)
- Stack of magazines and a sample price list for weapons (Tuesday, July 18)
- Dell computer tower (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large empty carved picture frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Piece of wood, possibly a vinyl wood table top (Tuesday, July 18)
- Mirror with blue frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large item with red fabric, possibly a hammock or umbrella (Tuesday, July 18)

 

[r3d-ros3]

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NY Post, I know, but we now have a former sex worker detailing an unsettling encounter with RH.

I find it incredibly creepy and disturbing that he chose to talk about his own alleged killings on a date. At this point, his dumping grounds had already been discovered. Was he still killing at this point and had found a different dumping ground? He wanted her to go back with him – did he just plan on having sex with her, or did he actually plan on killing her? Was he trying to set the stage for some kind of fantasy by bringing up he killings earlier in the night? Glad she trusted her instinct and hightailed it out of there.

I suspect that more of these stories will be coming out. Women who are still in sex work might be fearful to share any past encounters with him

JMO

I also wonder if talking about the crimes with sex workers was a way to feel "close" to his crimes, maybe even a kind of approximation, perhaps in moments where recreating them directly would have been impossible or too risky (i.e., family in town). It was obviously a high priority for him to continue seeing sex workers, even if he was unable, or chose not, to commit violent crimes against them. It sounds like he may have also discussed the murders with others, but I'm sure that discussing them with sex workers was a way of expanding and fulfilling his fantasy life. JMO.

 

[x_files]

Has LE ruled him out of the other Gilgo Beach bodies? Should I even expect such a statement?

I think this will be an ongoing investigation for decades to come.

 

[mucbetam]

I went through all of the photos and articles I could find about the searches which have been conducted since RH's arrest and compiled a list of the items seized so far:

- Black Chevy Avalanche (Friday, July 14)
- Cooler (Friday, July 14)
- Black leather chair/ottoman with wooden legs (Friday, July 14)
- Box containing miscellaneous items including an open pack of red Solo cups and what appears to be a bag of cat treats (Saturday, July 15)
- Copy machine, seized from RH's office in Midtown Manhattan (Saturday, July 15)
- Large item wrapped in gray plastic and sealed with red evidence tape (Saturday, July 15)
- Wood panel (Saturday, July 15)
- Large black metal filing cabinet (Saturday, July 15)
- Plastic bag containing miscellaneous items, including an empty box of cough syrup and a small gum ball machine (Saturday, July 15)
- Stack of books (Saturday, July 15)
- Carved wooden glass-front case containing a blond-haired doll (Saturday, July 15)
- Cat scratch pole and food (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of miscellaneous items, including a Nespresso box and what appears to be a stuffed animal (Saturday, July 15)
- Framed photo of a fighter jet (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of what appears to be toys and stuffed animals (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing some type of wooden object (Sunday, July 16)
- Bin containing rifles (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing what appears to be electronics (Sunday, July 16)
- Torn-open recliner chair (Sunday, July 16)
- Multiple rifles, including one with a scope (Sunday, July 16)
- Winchester rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Playboy magazines (Monday, July 17)
- Film negatives (Monday, July 17)
- Poster of the TV show "M.A.S.H." (Monday, July 17)
- Metal rifle case, nondescript (Monday, July 17)
- Camouflage fabric rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Antique firearm case (Monday, July 17)
- Unframed painting of a blond-haired woman with dark pupils and bruising underneath the eye (Monday, July 17)
- Honey-colored wooden chest of drawers (Monday, July 17)
- Stack of manila envelopes, presumably containing evidence, one with "#b2" written on it (Tuesday, July 18)
- Pet cat (Tuesday, July 18)
- Framed "Lichtenstein: The Princely Collection" art poster (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red lifejacket (Tuesday, July 18)
- Miscellaneous papers and newspaper clippings (Tuesday, July 18)
- Old Playboy magazines (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red electric guitar with embroidered blue strap (Tuesday, July 18)
- Box of items including what appears to be a grenade (Tuesday, July 18)
- Stack of magazines and a sample price list for weapons (Tuesday, July 18)
- Dell computer tower (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large empty carved picture frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Piece of wood, possibly a vinyl wood table top (Tuesday, July 18)
- Mirror with blue frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large item with red fabric, possibly a hammock or umbrella (Tuesday, July 18)

Hi - great informatics - what is the significance of your highlighting / emboldenment please?

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Hi - great informatics - what is the significance of your highlighting / emboldenment please?

The items in bold are what I consider to be possibly significant pieces of evidence and/or items I have not seen discussed here on WS

 

[fidgeypie]

This is a case that haunts me. They were never able to place a date on that toy soldier . Artifacts date from I believe a 1968-1969 dime and a garment label they ID as 1988. Bag of Rat poison as well. The building is no longer there but RH had access all over the NYC metro area w his work. My mind also went immediately to this case when RH was arrested.

Someone has put her details in the group for Othram, so maybe they will be able to work their magic. The more I learn about the sex trade the more my heart breaks for these girls