Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Pavor Nocturnus]

How would you explain away the phone triangulations and the hair/dna on victims?

Well, alot of people would ping those towers. They haven't specified what towers, have they? Massapequa Park had a population of 17k in 2010. Midtown Manhattan is probably more or less worthless as evidence of anything.

As far as I understand the DNA found is mitochondrial DNA? How accurate is that? I can't find the source again but when I googled it some time ago it was like 99.6% accurate as far as I can recall. There are over 8 million people living on Long Island. Take 0.4% of that and you have about two Massapequa Parks worth of matches.

But then again, I wish I could find out how accurate it is. Must be online somewhere. Maybe there's a DNA expert on this site?

 

[iamshadow21]

Nah, I don't think he murdered anyone. He's a john and a perv. But as I recall reading Schaller said that the Frankenstein-guy was somebody he didn't want mess with since he was twice his sizze. Scamming said giant would be messing with him, right? If Heuermann was the one being scammed one night prior to Amber disappearing and Schaller knew that he drove a Chevrolet Avalanche how come he seemed to have zero knowledge about what car Amber got into the next day? Surely he must have known it was Heuermann's Avalanche since he apparently told the police to look into Heuermann. Yet not a single word about brand of car or the giant meeting Amber in his interviews. In fact it seems the caller was a new client.

Except the bail documentation specifies it was the SAME burner phone that was in contact with the phone Amber was using for both events - the scam and the second date she never came back from. It made contact with her in Midtown, traveled to Massapequa Park, then travelled to Amber's residence in West Babylon to pick her up. I don't think there's any evidence it was a brand new client, in fact, there's plenty of evidence it was the same one they'd scammed the day before.

Also, Amber was one of the victims found with one of RH's wife's hairs on her body.

MOO

 

[Vern]

The pimp and roommate, Dave Schaller, talked about a Frankenstein-looking guy twice his size. No car. <modsnip: not victim friendly/no source links>

But he told the police about the vehicle as was linked to you earlier. Perhaps LE asked him not to disclose the veh description/type?

Regardless, he passed that info to LE back in 2010.

 

[b_lab7410]

In my our lifetime, an arrest is made for LISK!

10 victims

Friday’s reported arrest came after Suffolk County’s new police commissioner created a special Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February last year

Gilgo Beach, LISK serial killings suspect in police custody

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I wonder if The Killing Season actually caught the second LISK. They blurred and muted out the identity in the final and eight episode when they were calling John Robert Williams for the second time. John Robert Williams, an admitted serial killer (30+ sex workers) clearly states he knows about one killer that chopped up bodies and refers to the Gilgo Beach KILLER... "I even know who dun it, I swear to God, swear to God.." one of his former pen pals while he's serving time. Didn't see why he admitted it. STATES THAT HE LIVES IN MASSAPEQUA, NY (16:45 minutes in), must have addressed it from his residential area! It's not RH but referred to this guy as the one who chopped up bodies. It's eerie but I suppose* it's possible that he was taking credit for the others.

Timer to 15:30 -17:00 minutes in the eighth episode. It's just eerie how TKS profiler made a connection to a Satanic ritualistic killer/a sadist and they open a profile on facebook of the guy that is "a proprietor at MurderAuction," whatever that* is.

 

[hazel324]

Use the link, Search his name and it brings the case up.
There's a couple of options, case details, summary, etc. Motions is the last option - under that heading is where it states about the buccal swab

sorry, you misunderstood my question....I'm familiar with a fair amount of US legal terms but not "motions"

I know what the buccal swab is and can see it was filed on 1 July (for reference of differences - in my country date would be written 01/08 instead of the way round you guys write it )

So you enquired why swab was under motions - I still don't know what that means...

 

[FromGermany1]

Except the bail documentation specifies it was the SAME burner phone that was in contact with the phone Amber was using for both events - the scam and the second date she never came back from. It made contact with her in Midtown, traveled to Massapequa Park, then travelled to Amber's residence in West Babylon to pick her up. I don't think there's any evidence it was a brand new client, in fact, there's plenty of evidence it was the same one they'd scammed the day before.

Also, Amber was one of the victims found with one of RH's wife's hairs on her body.

MOO

I think, RH didn't know, he had been scammed and he "innocently" wanted to have his "goods" for the financial advance ($1500) the next day. If Amber could be sure, that RH wasn't assuming scam at all, she didn't have to have fear (unfortunately).

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

BBM
In moo it's always good to go over the Bail document again, then again.

Not just burners but the:

1.Phone data,

2. RH's billing records and cellphone site locations also were consistent with taunting calls made to a relative of Barthelemy,

3. The court filing stating a hair found on burlap that wrapped one of the victims was a DNA match to Heuermann

4. The billing records and cell site locations also ties Heuermann to calls checking the voicemail box on Brainard-Barnes’s cellphone after she went missing.

Bittrolff's dna and phone records and phone data have nothing to do with Gilco4. MOO

Yes, I'm reading it but I get confused. At one time they seem to be claiming he was using THREE phones (his own phone, a burner and Melissa Barthelemy's phone). They never write what cell towers Heuermann's own phone attached to. It just states New York City? And it's usually at least an hour between "switches".

 

[hazel324]

Well, alot of people would ping those towers. They haven't specified what towers, have they? Massapequa Park had a population of 17k in 2010. Midtown Manhattan is probably more or less worthless as evidence of anything.

As far as I understand the DNA found is mitochondrial DNA? How accurate is that? I can't find the source again but when I googled it some time ago it was like 99.6% accurate as far as I can recall. There are over 8 million people living on Long Island. Take 0.4% of that and you have about two Massapequa Parks worth of matches.

But then again, I wish I could find out how accurate it is. Must be online somewhere. Maybe there's a DNA expert on this site?

It isn't just the pinging that links the phones, these days data puts a phone making the exact same journey as another phone (1 personal / 1 burner) phones in exactly the same locales, travelling exact same route at exact same times - that can't be argued...

 

[Eaglette]

Have they mentioned any matching of RH fingerprinting?

Surely you can get finger prints off tape ?
And plastic wrappings ?

God knows when I tape up a parcel its likely got my nail polish stuck in/on it as well as finger prints....

 

[iamshadow21]

Have they mentioned any matching of RH fingerprinting?

Surely you can get finger prints off tape ?
And plastic wrappings ?

God knows when I tape up a parcel its likely got my nail polish stuck in/on it as well as finger prints....

A lot of that depends on the conditions the tape has been kept in, and the girls were all in the weather from months to years. I don't think any of the GB4 were wrapped in plastic. Three were wrapped in burlap, which is a coarse sacking material.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

While many killers have been frightening... Israel Keyes is one of those at the top of my list. The world is better that he's no longer alive but I worry about others like him. jmo

I feel there must have been many more that the eleven on his list. But his childhood was so unbelievably strange, too.

 

[Charlot123]

This is off-the-wall, but I wonder if he requested they bring a Bible??

jmo

In Melbourne Old Gaol, convicts used Bibles as hiding places. The one I saw in their museum was cut out to hide contraband. I am thinking that someone can hide microfilms, or use a Bible to write something in it, or for cryptography. JMO.

 

[Eaglette]

Look at all us Australians keeping up with this case !!

Better True Crime.... than a fantasy story !!!

 

[Arkay]

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann’s defense a vast trove of evidence

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Weeks after charging a Long Island architect in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors said Tuesday that they’ve begun providing his lawyer …

thehill.com

Understanding the Evidence & Murder Charges Against Rex Heuermann: The “Gilgo Four” Long Island Serial Killer Indictment

Whether or not law enforcement shocked Rex Heuermann when they arrested the architect outside his midtown Manhattan office for murdering the "Gilgo Four", Suffolk County prosecutors’ application ...

www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com

Pavor, as a new poster you have the right to your opinions here, as do we all.

IMO though you seem to be going out of your way to disregard all the evidence that has been collected by LE so far, tons of evidence that point to RH as LISK.

As to his appearance, it’s not RH’s fault that he’s so tall. His height is not the problem. The problem is his persona as demonstrated by his search history——illegal and perverted searches for child porn, rape porn, obsessive searches about the Gilgo Beach murders, searches about their family members, and so on.

IMO that demonstrates a predilection for violence and twisted sexual tastes.

That all COULD be fantasies, though still illegal to search online. But as I’m certain you know from reading here, LE has 2500 pages so far of evidence against RH that they’ve turned over to the defense, with much more to come.

As other posters have pointed out, how did RH’s wife’s hair get on the corpses? Clearly that had to have happened shortly before they died, or they would’ve had the opportunity to shower after their encounter with someone with RH’s wife’s hair.. Or alternatively have hair from other johns and their family members on their corpses as well.

I think that you are aware of this. JMO

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

It isn't just the pinging that links the phones, these days data puts a phone making the exact same journey as another phone (1 personal / 1 burner) phones in exactly the same locales, travelling exact same route at exact same times - that can't be argued...

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

 

[kittythehare]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

Can't imagine, maybe you can write and ask them?

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann’s defense a vast trove of evidence

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Weeks after charging a Long Island architect in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors said Tuesday that they’ve begun providing his lawyer …

thehill.com

Understanding the Evidence & Murder Charges Against Rex Heuermann: The “Gilgo Four” Long Island Serial Killer Indictment

Whether or not law enforcement shocked Rex Heuermann when they arrested the architect outside his midtown Manhattan office for murdering the "Gilgo Four", Suffolk County prosecutors’ application ...

www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com

Pavor, as a new poster you have the right to your opinions here, as do we all.

IMO though you seem to be going out of your way to disregard all the evidence that has been collected by LE so far, tons of evidence that point to RH as LISK.

As to his appearance, it’s not RH’s fault that he’s so tall. His height is not the problem. The problem is his persona as demonstrated by his search history——illegal and perverted searches for child *advertiser censored*, rape *advertiser censored*, obsessive searches about the Gilgo Beach murders, searches about their family members, and so on.

IMO that demonstrates a predilection for violence and twisted sexual tastes.

That all COULD be fantasies, though still illegal. But as I’m certain you know from reading here, LE has 2500 pages so far of evidence against RH that they’ve turned over to the defense, with much more to come.

As other posters have pointed out, how did RH’s wife’s hair get on the corpses? Clearly that had to have happened shortly before they died, or they would’ve had the opportunity to shower after their encounter with someone with RH’s wife’s hair.. Or alternatively have hair from other johns and their family members on their corpses as well.

I think that you are aware of this. JMO

The highest match percentage of the female hairs excluded 99.98% of the North American population. Let's limit that percentage to the Long Island population in 2010. That would be 15.136 possible matches.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Can't imagine, maybe you can write and ask them?

Heuermann's lawyer will certainly bring that up. And the time differences too.

 

[iamshadow21]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

I think perhaps you're misunderstanding why they included that information. RH was in NYC when calls were being made from NYC. If, say, his phone had placed him far from NYC, it would raise doubt as to whether he could have made the calls from the victims' phones. Instead, his phone places him in the vicinity, and he was actively using it between making calls to the victims' family.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

If you read the info that is linked, you will see that this is untrue.
There are specific references in the city, such as by the 59th St. Bridge, and multiple calls from RH’s phone at Massapequa Park to the girls’ phones, plus the cell phone records that were subpoenaed on RH’s phone from back when the murders occurred.

Even some of the less specific calls from his phone still originated in Midtown Manhattan, while RH was working in Midtown Manhattan, directly to the victim’s cell phones.

If you care to read the linked info you will see the facts laid out by LE.