Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[FromGermany1]

I agree to a point.
He is very tall. Thats the end of him looking any different or whatever.
However people make judgements about people based on all their sences. so a lot of the descriptions of him include the impression the person recieved of him as a whole . Most are coming from people who already were feeling his bad vibes based on their interactions of him ..mainly AC's description . After his arest people are looking at him like a monster because of all the lives he took ,then comes the idea this guys face was the last one these woman saw ,and everyone is on board with AC'S description . Just like his truck description no one heard about it until Rex was aressted.

What should have happened is they should have had Alex work with a composit artist in 2010 and get his suspect sketch out. Dunno maybe they tried but the LI Le was the acting like the biggest f@!# force ever in this case until all of what happened ,happend.
So it makes me question if some of those women found on the beach were murdered by someone known to corrupt officers. Actualy its always been a question and Rex's capture does not change that for me.
So Rex saying he did not do it (eyeroll) Could just mean he did not kill 11 women to him.
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In any case, RH's optics were made for a description/painting on a WANTED-poster, you are right! Exactly because of his "giant" shape (compared to a petit woman of course more giant than he already is) he could have been recognized much sooner (IF the public had known of him). Plus the Avalanche!! and we wouldn't be in 2023, waiting for the development re SC and Las Vegas and so on.
Poor giant thing: he didn't do it! The police (old staff) would also probably prefer someone else to have done it than this man, who was described 10 years ago by a witness ("ogre", "Frankenstein" or not).

 

[FromGermany1]

Maybe a real cheap toupee? MOO.

I am still split on whether real hair or a toupee.

Real and many curls, which he tames. MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

I was listening to CeCe Moore being interviewed on an unrelated podcast last night, and she mentioned that a (very large, can’t remember the number, maybe 99%?) of cold cases she’s helped solved have uncovered a murderer who still lives very close to where the murders were committed. Years or decades later.

 

[WINDSOR]

Have they mentioned any matching of RH fingerprinting?

Surely you can get finger prints off tape ?
And plastic wrappings ?

God knows when I tape up a parcel its likely got my nail polish stuck in/on it as well as finger prints....

not if one, was to wear gloves.

 

[CuriousCricket]

sorry, you misunderstood my question....I'm familiar with a fair amount of US legal terms but not "motions"

I know what the buccal swab is and can see it was filed on 1 July (for reference of differences - in my country date would be written 01/08 instead of the way round you guys write it )

So you enquired why swab was under motions - I still don't know what that means...

gotcha. A motion is a request to the court for some action to be ordered by the judge: dismiss the case, make the DA give us all the evidence his office has so we can 1. know the case against our client 2. prepare a defense for our client 3. present other motions/requests to the court (actually the judge on the case). So, under motions is Buccal swab. One side or the other - probably the District Attorney -- has requested the judge to order the defendant to submit to a buccal swab.

(ETA, some discussion suggests the defense MAY have submitted a motion to throw out the buccal swab obtained at booking. Just "buccal swab" doesn't tell us exactly what the motion was. Keep this paragraph in mind when reading the rest of this post.)

If the judge so orders, there will be a new DNA test results in the file. Or whatever the request was.

I see the buccal swab in evidence as important because A. the defense could argue that the pizza crust DNA was not RH's; but a swab controlled by the court won't have that possibility. Also, every test you take will show up slightly different and an actual swab is likely to present a more thorough result.

So, a motion is just a request -- and it can be from either side -- to the judge for an action to be required of the other side. The judge will "rule" on each motion presented to him, either granting the motion or denying the motion.

 

[Soulmagent]

In any case, RH's optics were made for a description/painting on a WANTED-poster, you are right! Exactly because of his "giant" shape (compared to a petit woman of course more giant than he already is) he could have been recognized much sooner (IF the public had known of him). Plus the Avalanche!! and we wouldn't be in 2023, waiting for the development re SC and Las Vegas and so on.
Poor giant thing: he didn't do it! The police (old staff) would also probably prefer someone else to have done it than this man, who was described 10 years ago by a witness ("ogre", "Frankenstein" or not).

I feel there is a ton to be explored on this line of questioning the case .
We only have details for a few of these woman but how lucky for the dismemberment crew that Rex happened to be murdering woman and sticking them in his back yard.

Everything about this case is crazy.
I find it ironic that in the early days of this case people would bring up Occam Razor

In philosophy, Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: novacula Occami) is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements. It is also known as the principle of parsimony or the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae). Attributed to William of Ockham, a 14th-century English philosopher and theologian, it is frequently cited as Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which translates as "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity",[1][2] although Occam never used these exact words. Popularly, the principle is sometimes inaccurately[3] paraphrased as "The simplest explanation is usually the best one."[4]

Yet here we are today considering the likiness of 3 murderers dumping bodys in the same 15 mile span and it is very clear this princible is about to fail.

 

[CuriousCricket]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

Actually, the same thought had occurred to me -- would all three phones be shown traveling together? However, what if RH simply shut one phone off, when he switched to using the other? SO, he's planning activities that go on the burner phone. He shuts off his personal phone. When he gets thru the "burner activities" he shuts down the burner phone and turns his personal phone back on ---- NOW, that would have to show up, in the pings, wouldn't it? hmmmm wonder if it does? Or would he shut down a phone, travel to where he needed to use a phone, then turn the correct one on? In the bail application, there are a couple of times he appears to have cross used the phones. I thought sloppy. But once he had done that a time or two, don't you think he'd have devised a work-around -- such as shutting off the phone he would not be using?

 

[ArianeEmory]

In the bail application, there are a couple of times he appears to have cross used the phones. I thought sloppy.

I’d have to re-listen to the LISK podcast for exact details, but yes, he got sloppy.

One of the pieces of evidence against convicted serial killer Dellen Millard (in Canada) was that his regular phone and his burner phone that he used to lure his final victim were pinging off the same tower.

It would be great if people could just not be murderers, but if they’re going to be, it’s at least helpful when they’re really dumb about technology.

 

[Ann99]

Has anyone checked RH info on LinkedIn? Just curious.

Also, is there any reason to think (do we have info) that RH ever lived in Massachusetts for period of time? Maybe rental apartments.
We have a list of properties he owned, but is it possible he had rentals, maybe a small place here and there over the years.
The money had to go somewhere. He could afford it. Multiple places for privacy.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Assuming you mean instances like this?



It's showing the times calls were made from each phone and that they were in basically the same general location.

A call was made from the victim phone an hour before a call from Heuermann's phone.

It's purely showing IN USE call times from phones and that his phone and a victim phone (and his phone and a burner phone on pages 12 & 13) were in close proximity to one another AND known locations of RH.

It's not purporting to show non-stop ping locations of phones, just parallels specific to USE of the phones (as far as location/time).

The timing of these calls is also interesting as it has been stated that the Barthelemy calls were made from extremely busy locations so that even with cameras everywhere, it was impossible to trace the calls. 12:40 p.m. -- that suggests a lunch hour noon to 1 p.m.. The later time, with his personal phone, he was back on the job. At one point in the document, the point is made that at NO time when a call to the victims was being made was RH's phone active anywhere else. In other words, LE had attempted to find his personal phone AWAY from the burner phone or victims' phones and had not succeeded.

Edited to add: I hope the photos taken at the times the victims' phones were used are now scanned to see if RH can be located in the crowd. Wouldn't that be strong evidence if at the exact time Barthelemy's phone was being used to call her family by the man who said he killed her RH could be proven to be in the exact location of the phone call?

 

[NyxNY]

In Melbourne Old Gaol, convicts used Bibles as hiding places. The one I saw in their museum was cut out to hide contraband. I am thinking that someone can hide microfilms, or use a Bible to write something in it, or for cryptography. JMO.

Another thought on the bibles in search warrant. Every hotel room here in the US, including the seedy charge-by-the-hour motels, has a bible in the nightstand drawer. I am thinking along the lines of trophies. MOO

 

[Pinkizzy]

CA - CA - Barstow, HispFem 14-19, UP6718, severed head in backpack, Feb'10

BARSTOW A human head found off Lenwood Road is being investigated as a possible homicide, according to the Barstow Police Department. snip Because of the condition of the remains, police havent determined the victims age or gender yet. Police officers were notified at about 2:55 p.m...

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Similar to Jessica Taylor and near other dismembered bodies along the I15

 

[DSCrime]

Suspect in Gilgo Beach Killings Hears Catalog of Evidence Against Him

My paraphrasing of this article, as I don't want to infringe on copyright TOS on Websleuths, the assistant district attorney told the court that prosecutors had turned over only the first portion of evidence to the defense.

 

[Soulmagent]

Another thought on the bibles in search warrant. Every hotel room here in the US, including the seedy charge-by-the-hour motels has a bible in the nightstand drawer. I am thinking along the lines of trophies. MOO

So when they say trophies ,I am pretty sure they mean a thing personal to the crime. I guess a bible could be a trophie ,but panties could be one trophie in one case and in the next, it is a butterfly hair clip.
Also all it takes from a lose to a win ,is miscalulations .

 

[CuriousCricket]

It would be great if people could just not be murderers, but if they’re going to be, it’s at least helpful when they’re really dumb about technology.

But think how much technology has changed in 20 years and will in the next 20. Some of the knowledge today was not even thought about a decade ago, so no way to plan. Like the Golden State Killer, a cop who the minute DNA was introduced appears to have realized what it meant in the investigation of crimes and appears to have stopped killing. He recognized the possibilities . . . The lovely thought is that while it's horrible he wasn't caught earlier, he had to live with the knowledge, every day and every moment, that he was sitting on a powder keg that could blow him sky high any moment.

 

[NyxNY]

So when they say trophies ,I am pretty sure they mean a thing personal to the crime. I guess a bible could be a trophie ,but panties could be one trophie in one case and in the next, it is a butterfly hair clip.
Also all it takes from a lose to a win ,is miscalulations .

Agreed. As far as them being trophies, as an example, "this bible was from ______ hotel/motel with SW ________". I am purely speculating what the significance of the bibles in the search warrant are.

 

[Soulmagent]

Agreed. As far as them being trophies, as an example, "this bible was from ______ hotel/motel with SW ________". I am purely speculating what the significance of the bibles in the search warrant are.

I am going to guess they are looking for the hotel stamps on bibles ,maybe?

 

[Ruminations]

Do you have a link for this information? Thank you.

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I am going to guess they are looking for the hotel stamps on bibles ,maybe?

I think that the one thing against the hotel bibles theory, is that as far as I know, all four girls (including Maureen) were doing 'out calls' at the time they went missing. They were going to the client (or with him to a location), which from phone data would suggest would be at his home. I've seen no suggestion that the dates were at hotels, or that he came to them at a location, with the exception of the 'scam' with Amber the day before she disappeared, and even that wasn't a hotel but a home. Megan was living at a Holiday Inn, but she left the premises for her date rather than her client meeting her in her room.

Of course, he could have rented a room for the date, but then he would have been leaving a paper trail, and would have had to get their bodies out of the establishment and to his car without being observed or recorded. Not impossible, but if his wife was away, and the house was empty? Not to mention his house kind of seems to hold a weird status for him? I think it more likely he took them there, to an environment he knew intimately and could control completely.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Burking Law and Legal Definition​

Burking means the crime of murdering a person, ordinarily by smothering, for thepurpose of selling the corpse.
The term derives its name from the method William Burke and William Hare, the Scottish murder team of the 19th century, used to kill their victims during the West Port murders. They realized that they could provide fresher bodies to medical schools for research by taking people who were intoxicated and suffocating them because they could not resist. That became known as burking. [Titlow v. Burt, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111459 (D. Mich. 2010)].
They killed the victims by sitting on their chests and suffocating them by putting a hand over their nose and mouth, while using the other hand to push the victim's jaw up. The corpses had only few visible injuries, and this made the corpses more salable to medical schools.
The following is an example of a case law referring to the term:
The term "burking" was named after William Burke, who along with an accomplice in 1815, killed a number of people and sold their bodies to medical schools in Edinburgh, Scotland. Burke and his accomplice would follow and kill intoxicated individuals by one of them holding a hand over the victim's nose and mouth, while the other would sit on the victim's chest until he or she died of asphyxia. [ Tabish v. State, 119 Nev. 293, 321 (Nev. 2003)].

Legal Definition list​

• Burke Act
• Burke
• Buried-Facts Doctrine
• Burial Site
• Burial Insurance
• Burking
• Burkism
• Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003
• Burn Rate
• Burning Cost
• Burning to Defraud Insurer

(cos it took me 20 attempts , at least to complete their crazy puzzles to enter the site, I'll spare everyone the journey)

I first heard this term with Gabby Petito and how she was murdered by Brian Laundry. Terrifying way to die.