Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[margarita25]

[BBM]

But, he's smart enough to know this and he did it anyway, and did it knowing she already has counsel that could file a suit on a dime. So, this says something different to me. It says to me that this might actually have some teeth. And, maybe others also read it like this and this, coupled with all of the very good (imo) he has done in the past, warrants consideration of the view. I don't think anyone jumped on any train though lol.

jmo

Indeed, I totally get this, which is why my initial statement was he as an attorney should/would/does know what “slander” means.

I don't think people are doing that. Saying there is a possibility she might have been aware and saying she was an active participant are not the same imo.

jmo

Anything is possible, of course it’s possible. My main issue and point is that it is a very dangerous game to go out there and call someone’s family “complicit” without presenting the proof, considering the enormity of such an allegation. Once something has been said, it can not be taken back. And the fact that this is something that a very apparently capable new Task Force has not said, at this time...Again as stated, who knows what will come out going forward. But is it his place at this time to come out and do what he’s doing? Maybe Yes, if it’s true, but we don’t know that it is true. It’s just what he says.

BBM: Unless I misunderstood his comments that have been posted here via video link many times I think he told us what he believes the connection is. He just hasn't told us how he knows (or has come to believe) of this connection. Does he know of information seized on his work computer? We do not know. But he seems confident that RH associated with like-minded people and therefore could hold the key to solving more of these unsolved homicides. And, he firmly believes AE knows more than she is saying (and has stated he has a witness to this). He seemed to be coming from a place of aggravation (running out of patience) and wants the coddling to stop and the pressure to start. Is it right or wrong? I won't attempt to judge. But I think in the end it's actually coming form a place of purpose, not attention seeking.

Exactly, “believes”. I’m afraid that’s not strong enough to put that out there without providing some kind of proof, considering the gravity of the stakes here.

 

[Ruminations]

Respectfully, has AE blamed anyone else for her problems? Perhaps I missed this, I don’t get to read every post unfortunately.

Yes. Kinda. The search stressed her out and LE caused her to not have a home, food, plumbing, etc..

But her attorney's were doing her dirty, too, IMO, saying she needs to get her mental health together.

MOO

 

[margarita25]

Yes. Kinda. The search stressed her out and LE caused her to not have a home, food, plumbing, etc..

But her attorney's were doing her dirty, too, IMO, saying she needs to get her mental health together.

MOO

Yeah...as far as that goes, LE absolutely needs to tear that place apart, the pipes, the yard, everything. That’s not even a question.

Of course it is unfortunate for her and her family, again presuming no involvement as LE has said at this time. Would I sue over that? Probably not, considering the situation and LE is just doing their job and what very obviously needs to be done in this situation. That is RH’s doing, not anyone else’s. Of course they have to tear up that place. Would it be ok to try to get services and shelter restored afterwards? I would think so, you would have to. Is blaming LE for that right? I don’t think it is, jmo.

 

[arielilane]

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[Ruminations]

[BBM]

But, he's smart enough to know this and he did it anyway, and did it knowing she already has counsel that could file a suit on a dime. So, this says something different to me. It says to me that this might actually have some teeth. And, maybe others also read it like this and this, coupled with all of the very good (imo) he has done in the past, warrants consideration of the view. I don't think anyone jumped on any train though lol.

jmo

Exactly.

If a single word he said were defamatory, he'd be over by now. LE has not been able to say, "You did not bring this to LE," because LE would know better than to lie.

People are appalled by what he said, and are entitled to feel however they feel, but John Ray has not said anything untrue.

The question is, why are the family attorney's trying to discredit the search and investigation? Why is the family allowing this? Of course they do not want to incriminate themselves, and it is not unreasonable for them to want the most just outcome for RH, should he be found guilty. But you would think they would still want justice served.

And that question seems heavier when you consider that Macedonia owes Spota a big one.

MOO

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[IDK]

JR has an established reputation for being an honest attorney and advocate for the victims of LISK. He's cooperated with LE and tells the truth. It may be hard for some people to hear, but its a murder investigation that was stymied for over 10 years by LE and prosecutors who couldn't resolve the case, but that another LEO from a different jurisdiction solved in one month.

Investigator first identified Gilgo Beach suspect a year ago

turnto10.com

OTOH, the killer's wife has hired attorneys, is suing the Suffolk County PD, isn't cooperating and is still in contact with her serial killer husband. It's hard for a wife to be in her situation, but its not going to help her to blame everyone else for her problems.

ETA: I'd also add that if LE thought perhaps that Rex's wife could help to get him to confess, provide incriminating evidence or take a plea deal to avoid a lengthy trial, they're probably wrong. These two are probably going to put up a big fight, along with their attorneys. He has 4, I think. She has 2. JMO

Respectfully, can you please provide a link that AE is not cooperating with LE? Is there documentation that LE requested an interview and she refused?

Just trying to keep facts separate from conjecture here. IMO.

 

[margarita25]

BBM / RSBM

People are appalled by what he said, and are entitled to feel however they feel, but John Ray has not said anything untrue.

See, that’s the whole thing imo, anything can be subjective without the “proof”. How do we know that what he is saying is not untrue, it could be what he “believes”, and “beliefs” don’t cut it as this is subjective. We don’t know who this “witness” is, what “interpretations” have been made on the part of this witness or JR. Again, I’m not going to just automatically believe someone without proof, just because someone says it is so. Is it a possibility? Sure. But there is a huge difference between a possibility and an actual, factual occurrence. So, imo, it will just remain a “possibility” that someone is “claiming”, at this point, until the actual evidence is presented, or at least an evaluation of this witness can be made as to credibility, which of course can be subjective too. But again, so far the points that have been presented, hairs, wife being upstairs, that’s not a smoking gun imo.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Respectfully, can you please provide a link that AE is not cooperating with LE? Is there documentation that LE requested an interview and she refused?

Just trying to keep facts separate from conjecture here. IMO.

At 15:02 - 15:35 "They are not assisting at all. They've never been contacted... They have no information to provide."

Family of Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann files notice of claim against law enforcement

Attorneys for Heuermann's wife and children say their house was in shambles after police finished their search.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Betty P]

I find it very strange that multiple posters in this thread are accusing Heuermann's wife of helping facilitate the murders of multiple woman when there is little to no evidence provided to point in that direction. In fact, the evidence that has been provided does the exact opposite, proving that he commited the murders when she was on holiday. The evidence that could point in that direction is have the nucleus of the hair that isn't even 100% his wife's but that can easily be explained by him having it on his clothes or bringing them home - while she isn't there, mind you - and the word of a lawyer that has been sketchy at best.

There is evidence, namely her DNA and hair found in the wrappings of two victims bodies. Two of the three hairs found on victims bodies were hers. There's also a new witness who claims knowledge of Rex bringing sex workers back to the home while his family was there, on more than one occasion.

The investigation isn't complete, but the evidence out there can't be ignored. No one is accusing her, but they need to question her and pursue an investigation. If something turns up in the evidence from the search warrants, they probably will take a closer look.

 

[margarita25]

Question for LE (broken record):

Why hasn’t the family been interviewed? Isn’t this Police 101? There must be a reason for this. Everything you do is very deliberate. Would like to know what that reason is. Do you not think they could possibly provide pertinent information?

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At 15:02 - 15:35 "They are not assisting at all. They've never been contacted... They have no information to provide."

Family of Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann files notice of claim against law enforcement

Attorneys for Heuermann's wife and children say their house was in shambles after police finished their search.

www.cbsnews.com

Why haven’t they been contacted? Pulling my hair out lol.

 

[Jurisprudence]

...But I think in the end it's actually coming from a place of purpose, not attention seeking...
jmo

I think the attention seeker Is Macedonia. That's jmo. To me that's how he is coming off.

 

[margarita25]

Ok jumping off my own post above, of course we can’t say how we would react in AE’s situation, again presuming no involvement, but I would thiiiink I miiiight want to go to LE directly and have them explain to me very clearly how they got to this point. Yes these are outlined in the documents, but I would want to know everything, whether I’m surprised by the allegations or not. And I’d be like, so where do we go from here? What happens next? Yes I realize this is being done through the attorney. But the whole no communication between these two parties is just so strange to me.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Ok jumping off my own post above, of course we can’t say how we would react in AE’s situation, again presuming no involvement, but I would thiiiink I miiiight want to go to LE directly and have them explain to me very clearly how they got to this point. Yes these are outlined in the documents, but I would want to know everything, whether I’m surprised by the allegations or not. And I’d be like, so where do we go from here? What happens next? Yes I realize this is being done through the attorney. But the whole no communication between these two parties is just so strange to me.

Yessssssss

 

[kittythehare]

Question for LE (broken record):

Why hasn’t the family been interviewed? Isn’t this Police 101? There must be a reason for this. Everything you do is very deliberate. Would like to know what that reason is. Do you not think they could possibly provide pertinent information?

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Why haven’t they been contacted? Pulling my hair out lol.

Of course they were interviewed.
Telepathy did not take their buccal swabs for one thing.
Silence did not inform the first raid on their home.
They most certainly were interviewed.

 

[margarita25]

Of course they were interviewed.
Telepathy did not take their buccal swabs for one thing.
Silence did not inform the first raid on their home.
They most certainly were interviewed.

Ok confused now.

 

[kittythehare]

Flashback.
dA stated in an interview that AE said
'it is what it is' having been shown one of several photographs by LE.

This was not a seance.
They really did interview her, of course they did. They had to.
Herself and her 2 children gave buccal swabs for dNA testing, voluntarily.

she obviously did not have a lawyer on speed dial the day he was arrested so it's likely these interviews took place before she received lawyer services..

 

[margarita25]

Flashback.
dA stated in an interview that AE said
'it is what it is' having been shown one of several photographs by LE.

This was not a seance.
They really did interview her, of course they did. They had to.
Herself and her 2 children gave buccal swabs for dNA testing, voluntarily.

she obviously did not have a lawyer on speed dial the day he was arrested so it's likely these interviews took place before she received lawyer services..

Good to know about the photo, missed that. Is there a link for that, not challenging, just want to see the whole thing.

So why are there direct reports then that they haven’t been contacted or interviewed?

My head hurts lol.

 

[IDK]

At 15:02 - 15:35 "They are not assisting at all. They've never been contacted... They have no information to provide."

Family of Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann files notice of claim against law enforcement

Attorneys for Heuermann's wife and children say their house was in shambles after police finished their search.

www.cbsnews.com

At 15:02 - 15:35 "They are not assisting at all. They've never been contacted... They have no information to provide."

Family of Gilgo Beach murders suspect Rex Heuermann files notice of claim against law enforcement

Attorneys for Heuermann's wife and children say their house was in shambles after police finished their search.

www.cbsnews.com

Respectfully, from your post: “They have never been contacted”

How can they be accused of refusing to cooperate with LE if LE has never contacted them? Sounds a bit Kafkaesque, IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Ok jumping off my own post above, of course we can’t say how we would react in AE’s situation, again presuming no involvement, but I would thiiiink I miiiight want to go to LE directly and have them explain to me very clearly how they got to this point. Yes these are outlined in the documents, but I would want to know everything, whether I’m surprised by the allegations or not. And I’d be like, so where do we go from here? What happens next? Yes I realize this is being done through the attorney. But the whole no communication between these two parties is just so strange to me.

Is it possible she's not mentally well enough to be interviewed at this time? We saw her reaction to the reporters in front of her home initially (shouting and flipping he birds), as well as the lawyers pointing out that she's going through a horrific emotional time and them trying to get her back to being mentally healthy. Maybe she isn't able to cope with any of it right now. MOO.

 

[margarita25]

I think it’s important to talk about this possible “arrangement” they may have had. That IF she condoned his encounters with sex workers, it doesn’t necessarily mean she knew he was KILLING them, as far as this JR witness/upstairs-downstairs business goes.

I saw on the show “Diabolical” I think it was where this woman had health issues, so gave her husband the ok to seek his sexual gratification elsewhere.

There is also the possibility that he was into some sexual stuff she did not want to participate in.

One would think one might seek a divorce at that point, if the sexual activities/desires were not reciprocated and considered to be gross, but it could be complicated, as we know people stay in marriages for different reasons, and if they are abused they may have trouble leaving.

So maybe she stayed in the marriage for whatever reason, knowing he had needs and desires that were beyond what she was willing to give him, and looked the other way or approved hookups with sex workers who would do what she wouldn’t, without having knowledge that he was actually killing (some) of them off premises or when she was not home.

I recall an episode(s) of “Evil Lives Here” where the husband tried to do freaky stuff as soon as they got married. She wasn’t into it and voiced that strongly, so he never tried it again with her after that.

Not sure if anyone has had a mate(s) with a strong porn addiction, but telling them “gross will you please stop looking at this stuff” doesn’t always make an impact. They won’t stop and they will continue to do it anyway. Of course viewing porn doesn’t make everyone a SK. Just saying she might have just thought he had really sick sexual needs or whatever, without the SK part.