Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

why do I feel like we are going to find out that MB was covering for RH and that RH was there at Brewers to swing?

mOO

LOL, I'm thick; I need a less subtle hint. Who was covering for RH?

 

[Ruminations]

According to one of the witnesses, she had seen Shannan and Heuermann before. The cab driver was called to pick up Shannan at a motel. Shannan had locked herself in the bathroom when Rex became aggressive. Rex, left the room first, hiding his face, then Shannan came out next. She said something about these guys always wanting her to come out there to Long Island, but she didn’t like them.

When she saw Heuerman’s face in the news at his arrest, she recognized him. She called LE to report her encounters with Rex H, they took the info, but never had an officer call her back,

De ja vu - "she was never reported missing!"

 

[Ruminations]

I don't recall that.

the witness swore to this under perjury. youre not recalling it doesn't erase her sworn statement, of course. I know you know that. witnesses, like jackets and recordings of 911 tapes, have been lost.

 

[Ruminations]

So coincidental how strong incriminating evidence against Heuermann sat buried in files for 12 years. The witness who provided it was also frustrated that SCPD never followed up on it. Just one of many witnesses whose information was ignored and discredited, but DNA and digital data proved it to be true.

I have a feeling that further investigations of these new witnesses information will also validate their stories. Will it just be buried again after November?

Why was Asa Ellerups hair found on two of the victims bodies? Why does she have her own attorney?

Will anyone in LE continue to investigate all of Heuermann’s digital data to see if there are connections to people at Oak Beach? It’s not a stretch of the imagination. For a serial killer, Rex H was a very social guy, liked to join groups.

Theres a strong impression, JMO, that this investigation isn’t complete.

I'm still not ready to accuse AE of anything. But about that attorney....

you're right. AE herself said her attorney told her anything she says could incriminate her, so she should stay silent. wtf? Why not advise her to give all information to the attorney, let the attorney evaluate the legal ramifications, then have your attorney negotiate with LE so you can safely say what you know, if any of it implicates you?

I do have confidence that LE has eyes on AE, and they know if she's a threat to society or not, and will arrest her if ever needed for public safety. I think shes either not a murderer, or, less likely, she is a murder-helper that LE hopes to learn from it by watching her next actions. But her attorney seems like he's trying to prevent LE from learning anything. His first statements were about no talking between spouses about the case.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

https://spotify.link/xIpkn3KB1Db

So, in this episode of LISK Podcast, Rodney Harrison says that Shannan's death was an accident.

The episode was released today and after seeing him at the press conference yesterday with information linking her to Rex, I am not sure what to think.

Some people, like DutyRon, retired LE, think that Rodney Harrison could very well have a murder investigation going, and try to disguise it with such comments.

 

[Ruminations]

Wow

wow. That’s asa’s attorney? That’s some weird stuff that out of all the attorneys she could choose, this one seems to be tied into the party scene and corruption on LI…. Would love to know more about his cocaine arrest/conviction as well as who he associates with out there .. just seems really fishy…

We haven't the info to know she chose him. He could have foisted himself on her, or be paid by someone with an interest in suppressing evidence.

 

[Betty P]

We haven't the info to know she chose him. He could have foisted himself on her, or be paid by someone with an interest in suppressing evidence.

I don't think anyone knows who is paying him.

I just think, if the witness is right (and it can be verified) that Rex and Asa were involved with the Trapeze swinging club and having swinging parties at their home on the regular, Asa has seen a lot of people. Swinging is primarily done with couples, no single people allowed. That's the way most clubs are and the way "swingers" prefer it. Only learning this from reading stuff the last couple of days. If Rex was going to a club, he needed to bring a partner. That would have been Asa or a sex worker.

If they had a card up at Trapeze inviting people to swinging parties at their house, Asa would have needed to be part of that. So, she's done this before. She knows the people involved. The witness from the swinging encounter said there were several law enforcement people who were members at Trapeze and a group from Long Island.

Asa knows stuff. She may not have participated in the killing of these women, but she probably knew it was happening or strongly suspected stuff.

 

[madamx]

<snipped for focus>

DA has indicated that AE was overseas at the time of the murders, and that her hair was a result of transfer due to living with RH.

She definitely needs her own attorney. It would be a conflict of interest for her to have the same attorney as RX. Even without that, there are many legal issues she is facing now and will continue to face in the future as a result of being married to RH. The first thing her attorney is helping her with is her divorce, which had to be filed quickly for her financial protection and security.

I guess the real question is: why wouldn't Asa have her own attorney

So here is a thought I had. Nobody really knows exactly what date the murders occurred. Or what date the bodies were disposed of. Or how long they sat where ever they were before being disposed of.

<modsnip: Not victim friendly>

 

[Deleted member 117884]

So here is a thought I had. Nobody really knows exactly what date the murders occurred. Or what date the bodies were disposed of. Or how long they sat where ever they were before being disposed of.

<modsnip: Not victim friendly>

I've had the same thought. How long did his "games" last?

jmo

 

[Baby baby Jane]

If married to ogre, can see that would have zero interest in who or what he is doing in the basement. Probably have a good idea, but refuse to know.
SW will tell you how common their work is, and people’s unusual arrangements and living styles. (If even a tiny fraction of Massapequa are swingers, it’s still a few dozen people. Same w SW)) Aware of situations where husbands have girls come to home and pretend it’s work colleague, personal trainer etc right in wife’s face. Probably part of the desire to dominate and humiliate.

 

[Ruminations]

Yes, this new affidavit has certainly got my hinky meter up as to exactly what might AE known and for long? The house just was not that big, unless she wasn't there at the time. The woman says that she saw AE there. I just don't know.

I know that I would be aware if there are swinger parties or SW in my home period, especially if I was at home, but that is the relationship I have with my hubs.

MOO

the former swinger story is chilling.

I think about how she must feel. Her actions were understandable, but she must be ashamed of not doing something differently. I see how it happens that one might defer to their detective bf to make a judgement call. But I also see how much she must regret it.

I wonder if that same kind of feeling haunts AE. Maybe she make understandable but regrettable decisions, too.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

the former swinger story is chilling.

I think about how she must feel. Her actions were understandable, but she must be ashamed of not doing something differently. I see how it happens that one might defer to their detective bf to make a judgement call. But I also see how much she must regret it.

I wonder if that same kind of feeling haunts AE. Maybe she make understandable but regrettable decisions, too.

MOO

And maybe she didn't have much choice.

Jmo

 

[Deleted member 117884]

the former swinger story is chilling.

I think about how she must feel. Her actions were understandable, but she must be ashamed of not doing something differently. I see how it happens that one might defer to their detective bf to make a judgement call. But I also see how much she must regret it.

I wonder if that same kind of feeling haunts AE. Maybe she make understandable but regrettable decisions, too.

MOO

My assumption is that, at the time, the witness didn't want to strand a young woman somewhere in Long Island. That alone is not cool and I'm sure she remembered it because of being uncomfortable leaving a fellow woman. She could imagine what a difficulty it would be for Vergata to get back to the city, perhaps after an unpleasant "game" with RH. But, the witness might have also thought Vergata would have money provided for the train ticket and maybe a ride to the station.

I'm assuming she didn't think Vergata would be murdered.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

And maybe she didn't have much choice.

Jmo

Very well could be. She could have been living a nightmare until Rex was arrested.

It saddens me that her attorney seems to be working against finding the truth.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I'm assumption is that, at the time, the witness didn't want to strand a young woman somewhere in Long Island. That alone is not cool and I'm sure she remembered it because of being uncomfortable leaving a fellow woman. She could imagine what a difficulty it would be for Vergata to get back to the city, perhaps after an unpleasant "game" with RH. But, the witness might have also thought Vergata would have money provided for the train ticket and maybe a ride to the station.

I'm assuming she didn't think Vergata would be murdered.

jmo

Of course. I agree that what the witness is saying, and it's credible to me, that it felt awkward then, but she trusted her detective BF's judgment. That was her reassurance that it was not harmful, it was a game. If her BF never seemed like a harmful person, his reassurance would be weighed more heavily in that moment than Vergatas face expression and actions.

She probably nearly forgot it, filing it deep in her brain, it all came back to her mind with the arrest of Rex and the ID of Karen Vergata.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Of course. I agree that what the witness is saying, and it's credible to me, that it felt awkward then, but she trusted her detective BF's judgment. That was her reassurance that it was not harmful, it was a game. If her BF never seemed like a harmful person, his reassurance would be weighed more heavily in that moment than Vergatas face expression and actions.

She probably nearly forgot it, filing it deep in her brain, it all came back to her mind with the arrest of Rex and the ID of Karen Vergata.

MOO

I agree. The witness likely did forget the night over the decades, but the memory wasn't completely gone. Who remembers every encounter decades later? It's just not worth the energy, most of the time, and life moves on.

But, it would be a night that could be recalled with a trigger because it was indeed memorable:

* traveling from the city to Long Island to party/swap

*picking up a homeless hungry woman who needed a shower. That is so incongruent to a pleasant sexual escapade, imo. Isn't not appealing to many, imo, to have sex with someone dirty picked up off the streets (yes, I'm aware some might find that appealing, but I'm thinking the witness did not or she wouldn't remember the dirty/hungry part).

* going all the way to Long Island and then being rebuffed by AE. Even if the "rejection" was mutual, people remember rejection. That is significant, imo, in sealing the memory even in the recesses of the mind.

* leaving poor Vergata is, of course, memorable .

I'm thankful the witness saw Vergata's photo and made the call to tell her story. It's like she had a golden key to unlock a mystery and didn't know it.

Honestly, I think AE's apparent rejection of the witness is significant because it kept the memory from completely disappearing. My opinion only.

jmopinion

 

[FromGermany1]

It opened in 1980, at 17E. 27th St. and closed in June 2017. The article notes how the club survived vice squads, among other things. Not surprising, if the affidavit is accurate. Mayor Rudy Giuliani wanted the hot tub filled with cement after it closed.

bbm

My mind is wandering immediately ...... Anyone missing in June/July 2017??

 

[Deleted member 117884]

bbm

My mind is wandering immediately ...... Anyone missing in June/July 2017??

OMG, I didn't even think of that.

jmo

 

[Just K]

OMG, I didn't even think of that.

jmo

My mind did go there- especially since RG was friends with Brewer’s accused sex offender priest neighbor. Placa was RG’s friend and employee, Alan Placa.

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[Just K]

OMG, I didn't even think of that.

jmo

My mind did go there- especially since RG was friends with Brewer’s accused sex offender priest neighbor. Placa was RG’s friend and employee, Alan Placa.

Giuliani’s buddy and justice denied: Rudy’s old friend Alan Placa, a priest, accused of sex abuse of children

If you feel that the new Georgia indictment of Rudy Giuliani and others is long overdue, you’re not alone. But perhaps no one welcomes the charges more than Richard Tollner and Christopher Fe…

www.nydailynews.com

Cops storm house of Joseph Brewer as families of missing women mourn their disappearances

Cops raided the Long Island home last night where a missing hooker was last seen, 3 miles from the sand dunes where the bodies of four women have been found. Investigators – who met with the FBI Wednesday – descended on the Oak…

www.nydailynews.com