Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Bree1950]

In addition to Macedonio's history, I always found it fagaze that a criminal defense attorney was representing AE in a divorce. Wasn't it also uncovered that he was somewhat a family friend, and represented Rex in some of his other court cases? I know I read it here, but can't find it. I really don't think Macedonio is acting in the best interest of AE. Something just doesn't sit right with me. MOO

In my State, the Bar would not allow him to represent her because he would have a conflict of interest.

 

[Betty P]

I feel Shannon saw Rex arrive at Brewer’s and was terrified from her earlier encounter with him at the Hotel as described in the affidavit from the cab driver. This is what makes sense to me in regard to her sounding so frightened and terrified during the 911 Call. If RH and his wife were swingers and used to having couples come and go a lot from the house, his wife, most likely, wouldn’t think anything was awry for home to have girls coming and going. Some people can deceive people - it happens every day! It would not surprise me if RH had plausible stories for his behavior and was believed by those around him.

I thought the same about Shannan at Joseph Brewer's party. Rex H. is a very distinctive-looking person. Very tall, very prominent features, etc. That's why these womens' stories are believable, because they recognized him easily, even years later. I've no doubt Shannan recognized him immediately at Brewer's house. She did go inside that night, but wasn't there for long before Brewer allegedly (?) came out and asked Pak to come inside and remove her.

The only facts we know from that night, when she was in Brewer's house, was her conversation on the 911 recording. She knew they were going to kill her and nothing would have convinced her more than if Rex H was there. I wonder if he was the one who called for her specifically?

This could have also been a situation similar to the swinger's party at Rex H's house in 1996. He could have engaged in group sex encounters, then later killed the sex worker after the other participants had left. Perhaps Shannan knew Rex would kill her, but the other people at Brewer's party had no intention of doing that.

 

[minazoe]

I thought the same about Shannan at Joseph Brewer's party. Rex H. is a very distinctive-looking person. Very tall, very prominent features, etc. That's why these womens' stories are believable, because they recognized him easily, even years later. I've no doubt Shannan recognized him immediately at Brewer's house. She did go inside that night, but wasn't there for long before Brewer allegedly (?) came out and asked Pak to come inside and remove her.

The only facts we know from that night, when she was in Brewer's house, was her conversation on the 911 recording. She knew they were going to kill her and nothing would have convinced her more than if Rex H was there. I wonder if he was the one who called for her specifically?

This could have also been a situation similar to the swinger's party at Rex H's house in 1996. He could have engaged in group sex encounters, then later killed the sex worker after the other participants had left. Perhaps Shannan knew Rex would kill her, but the other people at Brewer's party had no intention of doing that.

I think you nailed it here, Betty.

 

[madamx]

I have been thinking about what the cabbie said about Shannon calling a cab to the motel to drive her to the Ronkonkoma train station.
Didn’t Shannen have a driver? I have read that Pak was her driver but also her boyfriend was her driver. If she took the train at Ronkonkoma that would be a hour back to Manhattan and then have to either take the Path train or a Bus or another Cab to make it back all the way to NJ. That is a trek.
Does anyone know if Shannen always had a driver or not.

 

[Just K]

I have been thinking about what the cabbie said about Shannon calling a cab to the motel to drive her to the Ronkonkoma train station.
Didn’t Shannen have a driver? I have read that Pak was her driver but also her boyfriend was her driver. If she took the train at Ronkonkoma that would be a hour back to Manhattan and then have to either take the Path train or a Bus or another Cab to make it back all the way to NJ. That is a trek.
Does anyone know if Shannen always had a driver or not.

I keep thinking that sometime before 2016 another young woman was missing near or at Ronkonkoma. It’s been bothering me since the affidavit of the cab driver.

I found it, the woman was abducted out of a cab company after arguing with a man.

Police: Woman Dragged, Assaulted Near LIRR's Ronkonkoma Station Is Safe

A woman caught on surveillance video apparently being beaten and abducted last week at the Ronkonkoma Long Island Rail Road station has come forward and is safe, police said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Keith417]

Oct 18, 2023
Attorney Ray's office says it has new information about suspect Rex Heuermann in the killings of Shannan Gilbert and Karen Vergata.

Streamed live 73 minutes ago #livenews #crime #longisland
John Ray, an attorney for the families of two of the women found dead along Gilgo Beach on New York’s Long Island over a decade ago, announced what he says is new evidence against Rex Heuermann. Heuermann was charged in July with the murder of three of the women found at Gilgo Beach. Ray said the new evidence connects Heuermann to two more victims, Shannan Gilbert and Karen Vergata. Heuermann has not been charged in connection to the deaths of Gilbert and Vergata.

All I can say is WOW!!!

 

[Keith417]

Whats everyones thoughts? Is this credible?

LE standing up there is interesting

I always believed that John Ray was the good guy and that he was only made to look crazy by the bad guys pretending to be the good guys. I also thought it was very suspicious that a young sex worker ( Shannan Gilbert) who advertised on Craig’s list and back page called 911 saying that they are trying to kill me and then is never seen or heard from again. Her mother receives a call from a doctor on oak beach claiming he ran a home for wayward girls and that that Shannan was in his care but ran away. Then that doctor (Peter Hackett) denies Mari Gilbert’s claims saying he never contacted her but we find out that he was actually lying. When looking for Shannan Gilbert they start finding sex workers left and right and what a coincidence some of those sex workers advertised also on Craig’s list and back page.. so sorry but that’s too many coincidences for me but I believe this is way bigger than we think and that’s why this case has so many twist and turns and wasn’t solved 13 years ago. A lot of police seem to have connections to this case and a lot of rich people involved .

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have been thinking about what the cabbie said about Shannon calling a cab to the motel to drive her to the Ronkonkoma train station.
Didn’t Shannen have a driver? I have read that Pak was her driver but also her boyfriend was her driver. If she took the train at Ronkonkoma that would be a hour back to Manhattan and then have to either take the Path train or a Bus or another Cab to make it back all the way to NJ. That is a trek.
Does anyone know if Shannen always had a driver or not.

I've always been under the impression Shannon had a driver who took her to the house that night.

 

[Keith417]

I've been sitting with all of this new information all night. Some thoughts:

The reason Heuermann is sitting in a jail cell right now is because of Rodney Harrison. Harrison formed the task force within weeks of getting the job and then the task force had Heuermanns name within the month.

We learn today that one of the witnesses, who signed an affidavit, was taken to Heuermanns house along with Karen Vergata by a NYPD narcotics cop. Fun fact: Rodney Harrison is a former NYPD undercover narcotics cop. I know the witness says that they found Heuermann's house from a listing at the singers club but who saw that listing - the cop? Had he been there before? Why would this cop want to leave Karen Vergata who was clearly in distress according to the witness.

The moonlighting cab driver witness claims Heuermann tried to scam Shannan Gilbert and then she helped Shannan escape. Heuermann knew he had been seen and possibly requested the driver later on - telling her he was going to kill her. Was this after Shannan was murdered? Did Heuermann go over the events in his head and think this witness was the one who could possibly link him with Shannan? Heuermann had what appeared to be a police lanyard - fake or a trinket from a cop friend?

Shannan ending up at J Brewer's house in Oak Beach - rumors of it being a party house. Possibly swingers parties? Ex SCPD James Burke attended sex parties in Oak Beach. Heuermann said to be a swinger by multiple witnesses. Again, NYPD cop driving sex workers out to Heuermann's house and leaving them there. SCPD head Spota covering for Burke bungling this case for years.

NYPD/SCPD... Heuermann... Am I losing my mind or is there a bit of a pipeline starting to appear.

Come November, Rodney Harrison is most likely out of a job. The front runner for County Executive is Ed Romaine (R) and most likely will replace Harrison with someone who isn't a city slicker and also *looks* more like the politicians out in Suffolk - if you catch my drift. Harrison is the first black commissioner in the SCPDs history. He was also the first black Chief of Detectives in NYPDs 200 years.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb here by saying Suffolk County DA Tierney does not like Rodney Harrison. I'm very familiar with the politics around these parts. Tierney's office releasing a statement making it look like Harrison has gone rogue from the investigation when in reality Harrison is the one that got things moving in the first place for the very first time. Now we have Attorney John Ray and Commissioner Rodney Harrison telling potential witnesses they can come to them if they don't trust the SCPD/NYPD/Task force and then we have the task force and SCPD telling potential witnesses, no, only come to us.

Wow.

I am hoping I am wrong but, come November, this case may stall. I don't like any of this one bit. That and after this press conference, I am sure there are more bodies out on LI. I want to know which woods Heuermann told the taxi driver to take them to.

Omg didn’t even put it together that Rex might have requested that lady cab driver to kill her or scare her bc she might have seen his face when she picked up Shannan Gilbert. He was brazen and definitely felt very comfortable that he was not going to jail if someone reported him and that reason could only be that he had inside connections with the law. You have to remember that Rex was just as powerful bc he was the one who approved for things to be built in the city so if someone wanted to build a house or whatever you would go to someone like Rex Heurermann. I am sure a lot of powerful people wanted to be in Rex’s good graces bc he could make or break your plans for any architecture needed to be built or ripped down etc. Maybe Rex’s wife was a mail ordered bride and once she came to America she found out that he was a lunatic but couldn’t break free easily bc of her son having special needs.. I know it will be very detrimental to this case if Harrison is voted out .. I also believe that the reason that poor cab driver didn’t come forward when she seen Shannan Gilbert’s face on the news back in 2010 is bc she knew that she would have wounded up dead bc she new cops were involved and she probably always new who the Long Island serial killer was (Rex Heurermann) but was so scared bc he already threatened to kill her.

 

[Keith417]

So coincidental how strong incriminating evidence against Heuermann sat buried in files for 12 years. The witness who provided it was also frustrated that SCPD never followed up on it. Just one of many witnesses whose information was ignored and discredited, but DNA and digital data proved it to be true.

I have a feeling that further investigations of these new witnesses information will also validate their stories. Will it just be buried again after November?

Why was Asa Ellerups hair found on two of the victims bodies? Why does she have her own attorney?

Will anyone in LE continue to investigate all of Heuermann’s digital data to see if there are connections to people at Oak Beach? It’s not a stretch of the imagination. For a serial killer, Rex H was a very social guy, liked to join groups.

Theres a strong impression, JMO, that this investigation isn’t complete.

100% agree with everything you said.

 

[Keith417]

From the affidavit: "He indicated that we had to pick up a girl from the house across the street". IMO, yes, it was a sex worker

Yes and he definitely had inside connections bc he was very comfortable with making others feel uncomfortable and not worried about being reported to the authorities. I think this case is going to reveal a lot more dirty cops and that’s why they are trying to get Harrison out in November but that’s when the American citizens need to stand up and say oh no not until this investigation is over and you work for us.

 

[Keith417]

I was referring to them randomly picking Karen Vergata (a complete stranger) up and taking her to a swinger party.

You have to remember this man was an narcotics officer and he probably met Karen bc she was probably arrested for drugs and he befriended her.

 

[Keith417]

I think he builds their trust first in some cases.

Yes and I’m thinking the other LE serial
Killer who was caught while this investigation was going on was probably connected with Rex Heurermann bc one of John B’s victims daughter was best friends with one of Rex’s victims.

 

[Keith417]

I don't think anyone knows who is paying him.

I just think, if the witness is right (and it can be verified) that Rex and Asa were involved with the Trapeze swinging club and having swinging parties at their home on the regular, Asa has seen a lot of people. Swinging is primarily done with couples, no single people allowed. That's the way most clubs are and the way "swingers" prefer it. Only learning this from reading stuff the last couple of days. If Rex was going to a club, he needed to bring a partner. That would have been Asa or a sex worker.

If they had a card up at Trapeze inviting people to swinging parties at their house, Asa would have needed to be part of that. So, she's done this before. She knows the people involved. The witness from the swinging encounter said there were several law enforcement people who were members at Trapeze and a group from Long Island.

Asa knows stuff. She may not have participated in the killing of these women, but she probably knew it was happening or strongly suspected stuff.

You know we don’t really know all the evidence right now but maybe Esa is the one who helped the police get Rex. Didn’t someone write an email on the killing season and say I think my husband might me the Long Island serial killer?!!

 

[Keith417]

This has been the most sordid case I've ever followed.
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It’s so scary and mind blowing.. ugh we all need to pray for Harrison and John Ray bc I know a lot of powerful people probably want them as far away from this case bc they are getting closer to the real truth. This is horrific and I would bet my life that a lot of people on Long Island already knew who the Long Island serial killer was from day 1.

 

[Keith417]

And then there is the great possibility that the corrupt Chief and some of his dirty subordinates had intimate knowledge of RH. It seems they ran in the same circles with similar proclivities.

Disgraced Gilgo Beach police chief has a 'history of strangling women on boats'

A MALIGNED ex-Long Island police chief blamed for botching the Gilgo Beach murder probe has a violent history with women and allegedly strangled at least two unconscious during sexual encounters, f…

www.the-sun.com

You got that right!

 

[Keith417]

When you say Harrison is “going off the rails,” do you mean losing it or do you mean going against the machine- to expose the corruption or to force an investigation?

Harrison is not going off the rails so don’t believe anyone that says he is. That man is on the right rails <modsnip> just want you to believe he is going off the rails bc they are about to be exposed.

 

[Keith417]

Re Harrison, sometimes doing the right thing is more important than political expediency.

Why is the governor and AG's involvement crazy? The Rhoden family massacre was a case in corrupt Applachia, murders committed by the offspring of a wealthy, powerful landowner. It took direct involvement of the AG, who was later governor, to make sure the case was thoroughly investigated and tried. There were no defense shenanigans like we've seen with other recent cases. A thorough investigation with clear, safe chain of custody, etc.

Sometimes those higher up the ladder, at the state police, AG level, are needed to make sure things go well. That's what AG's are for.

Believe Harrison and John Ray are the good guys. This is way bigger than just Rex Heurmann but that’s where the corrupt LE and elected officials want it to stop at Rex bc we are about to see how far down the line the corruption goes. I respect Harrison even more for standing next to John Ray. Remember how corrupt the Whitey Bulger case was well think in terms of that case and all of the corruption that when on from LE as being the same on Long Island. This wasn’t just about one man doing all the killing this so much deeper. Rex’s victim was bestfriends with John B the other Long Island serials killer’s victim’s daughter. It’s a way bigger picture.

 

[Ruminations]

I’m not sure it wasn’t someone just saying they were a Cop?!

if her boyfriend only claimed to be a cop, I'm quite certain John Ray and Rodney Harrison would have said exactly that. This particular detail is easily confirmed or refuted, and is known to Ray and Harrison. They would NOT benefit from passing along the deception, and they have not demonstrated characters of persons who would pass along deception just because it would benefit them.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

You have to remember this man was an narcotics officer and he probably met Karen bc she was probably arrested for drugs and he befriended her.

John Ray and Rodney Harrison indicated it was not a random woman. The cop boyfriend knew her, but John Ray said they did not yet know how the cop came to know her.

Your theory sounds viable to me. But there is no "probably" in THAT the cop knew her.

In fairness, there is a "probably" in that woman being Karen Vergata, but I think a very strong probability, since Ray and Harrison gave the name.

MOO