Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

"Speaking with The Times, departing Suffolk County, Long Island police commissioner Rodney Harrison called the docuseries “a smack at the family members who lost a loved one.” Meanwhile, Suffolk County prosecutor Ray Tierney said the film project could “affect [Ellerup’s] credibility,” especially if she is called to testify."

"Tierney, the prosecutor, did acknowledge it was unlikely Ellerup knew any pertinent details about the case or, if she did, that she would choose to share them on camera. Even still, he argued that Ellerup was “trying to capitalize on her husband’s notoriety and make herself marketable. But the truth isn’t always marketable and the money itself could be a motivation to lie.”

BBM

It's certainly refreshing to see more people with authority speaking truth to this situation.

That quote just elevated my regard for Tierney.

Still think he's a sellout who wants to present himself as a hero, but I'm open to new info like this.

I respect and appreciate that quote.It gives me hope that he'll stop running to the microphone, stop telling people not to submit tips, or not gaslight them by pretending crime stoppers had no part in forcing witnesses, who were willing to go to LE, to go the John Ray instead.

Tierney has a dug himself into a big hole on my eyes. But perhaps he can climb out....it's great to see him value truth.

MOO

 

[3Patriots]

EDIT: The snippets being shown for the links are NOT the links to which I'm referring. Click the links if you want to see what I'm talking about...

This post is asking the right questions, and getting all the answers in full detail would be its own investigation spanning a decade...

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

Well... I'm glad you asked. Here is a little interesting detail: Judge Timothy Mazzei is a former Town of Brookhaven councilman. Brookhaven has had *a ton* of corruption problems over the past 10-15+ years. The current town supervisor for Brookhaven is... Ed Romaine (R). Romaine, who is running...

www.websleuths.com

And this post in reply is a decent starting point.

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

In my opinion, there was nothing remarkable about Karen's appearance. She wasn't overly heavy or overly skinny...not 6 foot tall or 3 feet tall. She didn't have platinum blond hair, or pink hair. No "droopy" eye, or large birthmark. Just nothing that made her particularly stand out. She looked...

www.websleuths.com

You know when a cancer goes metastatic and is literally woven into every system and every ounce of energy consumed by the once pure organism does nothing but ironically feed the cancer and make it grow even more? Welcome to SC...

 

[Izzylizzy]

I just thought of something about all the legit questions asked about the female who John Ray's witness said she and her NYC narc detective boyfriend picked up and took with them to Rex's residence.
Ray's female witness claims she was Karen Vergata.
In Ray's presser he said that the woman they picked up just got out of jail.
It would make sense because the witnesse's boyfriend was in LE , could have known her and about the arrest and now her release.

Question?
Was Karen Vergata ever jailed and if so does the Valentine Day timeline fit?



"The first was a woman who said she and her boyfriend, a New York City police narcotics detective, went to a swingers' club in New York City in the late 1990s — at the time Karen Vergata's body was found — where they would go to switch partners; they found a phone number in the bathroom for a swingers' home in Massapequa Park. She and her boyfriend headed to Long Island but picked up a sex worker in New York, on the way.

That woman, Ray said, had just been released from jail and was hungry and disheveled.

"She came in the car with the two of them," he said."

Attorney To Discuss 'Newly Uncovered Evidence' In Gilgo Case At Event

John Ray will host the event in early December and a GoFundMe has been organized to raise funds to facilitate the event.

patch.com

Ray/Harrison presser

video

New witness in Long Island serial killer trial says victim left motel crying as Rex Heuermann allegedly fled scene: Attorney

Investigators say they're interviewing four new people who could connect more cases to suspect Rex Heuermann.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

After reading up on some of the available info, I wonder if Rex was a pregnancy fetish guy (aside from the, ya know, killing) and ended the lives of women he might have impregnated.

I actually hate dwelling on this because I'm sure some of the LEOs who deal with Rex are pretty disgusted by him. But, he has rights. They have to watch him, and he gets to gloat.

 

[sds71]

Cheek swab samples collected from the estranged wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann match her DNA material found on the remains of some of the homicide victims, a law-enforcement official told Newsday.

The DNA sample from Asa Ellerup was taken on July 13, the night her husband and Massapequa Park resident was arrested on charges he killed three of the women whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach in 2010. Heuermann, 60, has pleaded not guilty to three counts each of first- and second-degree murder in the deaths of Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman and Amber Lynn Costello. Authorities said he is the prime suspect in the killing of a fourth victim, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, as a special grand jury is reviewing evidence in that case.

The samples were taken to confirm earlier DNA tests Suffolk prosecutors said pointed to Ellerup as a source of hairs found with the remains. Ellerup has not been accused of wrongdoing in the case.

Cheek swab samples collected from the estranged wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann match her DNA material found on the remains of some of the homicide victims, a law-enforcement official told Newsday.

The DNA sample from Asa Ellerup was taken on July 13, the night her husband and Massapequa Park resident was arrested on charges he killed three of the women whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach in 2010. Heuermann, 60, has pleaded not guilty to three counts each of first- and second-degree murder in the deaths of Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman and Amber Lynn Costello. Authorities said he is the prime suspect in the killing of a fourth victim, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, as a special grand jury is reviewing evidence in that case.

The samples were taken to confirm earlier DNA tests Suffolk prosecutors said pointed to Ellerup as a source of hairs found with the remains. Ellerup has not been accused of wrongdoing in the case…


A new method of analyzing hair from DNA creates better conditions for prosecutors as genetic scientists have been able to recover fragments of nuclear DNA from human hair to help identify suspects as well as give names to unidentified crime victims, experts say. In one scientific study, rootless hairs were able to provide 40% usable nuclear DNA profiles.

“It is a hot topic in our community,” said Colleen Fitzpatrick, a veteran genetic genealogist with Identifinders International of California, about the hair analysis method.

Gilgo Beach killings: Cheek swab sample from estranged wife of suspect Rex Heuermann matches DNA found on victims' remains, source says

The DNA sample from Asa Ellerup was taken the night Rex Heuermann was arrested on charges he killed three of the women whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach in 2010.

www.newsday.com

 

[borndem]

It's gruesome but I was thinking "you and yours... me and mine" might refer to the victims instead of family.

Bless the memories of the victims and peace to their loved ones.

I had the same thought...

 

[NottaYutz]

LOVE the attorney's style! New witness in Long Island serial killer trial says victim left motel crying as Rex Heuermann allegedly fled scene: Attorney

 

[NottaYutz]

Regarding the above link, did the attorney say that Rex and his wife were swingers or did I mishear something??

 

[arielilane]

Here we go! I’ve said publicly there’s no way she and/or his brother did not recognize that belt! When the piece of evidence did not yield witnesses I felt like family members were circling the wagons. It’s all business: the divorce in 6 days, excepting GoFundMe funds, giving her the house from jail, showing up in court, making TV deals

https://twitter.com/x/status/1730064180898566392

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https://twitter.com/149Zone7

 

[Izzylizzy]

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Does anyone know if Asa was said by LE to also have been out of town during the timeline of Feb 14, 1996?

Asa's lawyer said she was pregnant then when asked about Ray's presser claiming that Asa was home when swingers were at her house and didn't want sex with the female swinger.

John Ray's witness the female swinger claims she and NYC narc boyfriend brought who she believes to have been Karen Vergata to Heuermann's house.

Does anyone know if Karen had been arrested and released on the same 2/14/96 timeline?
Swinger claims the female they brought to Rexs just got out of jail and was hungry and disheveled.

'Karen Vergata is believed to have disappeared around Feb. 14, 1996, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said Friday morning.​

Gilgo Beach victim Jane Doe No. 7 identified as Karen Vergata

Karen Vergata was identified as the remains almost three decades after her legs were found in a plastic bag at Davis Park on Fire Island’s Blue Point Beach on April 20, 1996.

nypost.com

 

[DS2021]

Does anyone know if Karen had been arrested and released on the same 2/14/96 timeline?
Swinger claims the female they brought to Rexs just got out of jail and was hungry and disheveled

I havent seen any proof of that. I wonder if a freedom of information act can be done to obtain arrest records

 

[Izzylizzy]

I havent seen any proof of that. I wonder if a freedom of information act can be done to obtain arrest records

I've been focused on an arrest because it's been pointed out here that many of the swinger's claims of having been in Heuremann's house was info that had already been in the news, Christmas tree, shell on shelf etc but I have yet to see swinger's claim that the female they picked up (who she believes was Karen ) to bring to Rex's just got out of jail debunked because Karen wasn't in jail then, if she ever was.
I think for Harrison to have been at Ray's presser and take questions he had to have found some damn good evidence from Ray's witness(es) to do that even considering he knew he was leaving office.
Still waiting on the boyfriend who Ray said was confirmed he was a NYC narc.
Ray's holding another presser I think on Dec. 8.

 

[arielilane]

A DNA sample taken from the estranged wife of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer matches her genetic material that was found on the remains of victims, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Investigators obtained a cheek swab from Asa Ellerup the night her husband, Rex Heuermann, was arrested for the murders of three women whose remains were found wrapped in burlap in a marshy area near Gilgo Beach on Long Island.

Prosecutors have said Ellerup’s hairs were found on the burlap and now the sources said the DNA extracted from the hairs matches the cheek swab samples.

Prosecutors have cleared Ellerup of any wrongdoing and have said she was out of town at the time of the murders.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife's cheek swab matches her DNA on victims

November 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

 

[10ofRods]

We're not looking at anything, handwriting analysis is junk science.

No one is analyzing the handwriting. It was posted in response to someone saying they thought ARCHITECTS write in a certain way (which they do - on their official drawings and blueprints, IMO - probably mostly digitally done these days). An

But all architects learn to do block lettering in a grid, in school, IMO.

However, they still retain their own regular handwriting - which was the point of the picture.

No one is trying to analyze Frank Lloyd Wright's handwriting - except to show that he, as a well known architect, had his own personal handwriting (and of course, on his blueprints - he used block letters in a grid).

Some things can be known relatively well from handwriting (such as handedness). Forensic handwriting analysis is used all the time in forgery cases and there are entire books on the topic. And the techniques used for such forensic work are indeed a science, which attempts to monitor its own accuracy - like any science:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2119944119

(Proceedings of the National Academy of Science; Physical Science Division).

IMO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

No one is analyzing the handwriting. It was posted in response to someone saying they thought ARCHITECTS write in a certain way (which they do - on their official drawings and blueprints, IMO - probably mostly digitally done these days). An

But all architects learn to do block lettering in a grid, in school, IMO.

However, they still retain their own regular handwriting - which was the point of the picture.

No one is trying to analyze Frank Lloyd Wright's handwriting - except to show that he, as a well known architect, had his own personal handwriting (and of course, on his blueprints - he used block letters in a grid).

Some things can be known relatively well from handwriting (such as handedness). Forensic handwriting analysis is used all the time in forgery cases and there are entire books on the topic. And the techniques used for such forensic work are indeed a science, which attempts to monitor its own accuracy - like any science:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2119944119

(Proceedings of the National Academy of Science; Physical Science Division).

IMO

The entire conversation of handwriting began with someone wanting to see an analysis of RH's handwriting!
Forensics of handwriting is an entirely different subject, and does not include the junk science of psychoanalyzing someone via their handwriting.

 

[Izzylizzy]

A DNA sample taken from the estranged wife of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer matches her genetic material that was found on the remains of victims, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Investigators obtained a cheek swab from Asa Ellerup the night her husband, Rex Heuermann, was arrested for the murders of three women whose remains were found wrapped in burlap in a marshy area near Gilgo Beach on Long Island.

Prosecutors have said Ellerup’s hairs were found on the burlap and now the sources said the DNA extracted from the hairs matches the cheek swab samples.

Prosecutors have cleared Ellerup of any wrongdoing and have said she was out of town at the time of the murders.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife's cheek swab matches her DNA on victims

November 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

Curious is Asa already had an attorney by nightfall who signed off on her giving a swab or they had a warrant ready for it if she refused?

If no legal council I can see Rex's defense fighting to not let the results enter at trial due to her (understandable) mental distress, most likely off the charts.

 

[10ofRods]

The entire conversation of handwriting began with someone wanting to see an analysis of RH's handwriting!
Forensics of handwriting is an entirely different subject, and does not include the junk science of psychoanalyzing someone via their handwriting.

Ah, well, the only comment I've made or reference I've seen is the Frank Lloyd Wright sample and today's discussion about whether architects have two kinds of handwriting - which is why the post was made (not to contribute to an earlier discussion of "psychoanalyzing" someone via their handwriting.

That is what was asked - why were we discussing a picture with handwriting. At least, that's how I understood the discussion. I have no clue what the "entire" conversation might be - I assume that could be threads long. I just have a small slice of the entire conversation and have no real interest in trying to analyze RH's handwriting.

IMO

 

[tlcya]

A DNA sample taken from the estranged wife of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer matches her genetic material that was found on the remains of victims, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Investigators obtained a cheek swab from Asa Ellerup the night her husband, Rex Heuermann, was arrested for the murders of three women whose remains were found wrapped in burlap in a marshy area near Gilgo Beach on Long Island.

Prosecutors have said Ellerup’s hairs were found on the burlap and now the sources said the DNA extracted from the hairs matches the cheek swab samples.

Prosecutors have cleared Ellerup of any wrongdoing and have said she was out of town at the time of the murders.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife's cheek swab matches her DNA on victims

November 30, 2023, 2:44 AM

that's some pretty hard evidence for ole Rex to refute.

 

[Izzylizzy]

that's some pretty hard evidence for ole Rex to refute.

Brown contradicts himself big time if all his quotes are accurate.



'Ellerup’s lawyer, Robert Macedonio, told The Post Thursday that her DNA being found on the scene is “nothing new” and that it was more than likely from a “hair transfer inside the house.”

Rex Heuermann's estranged wife's cheek swab matches ...​

New York Post
https://nypost.com › 2023/11/30 › metro › rex-heuer...



3 hours ago — The 60-year-old's lawyer, Michael J. Brown, said the solitary hair sample found on Waterman could have come from any one of thousands of people ...

 

[tlcya]

Cheek swab samples collected from the estranged wife of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann match her DNA material found on the remains of some of the homicide victims
[snip]
Her DNA has been confirmed as matching hairs found on the burlap that victims were wrapped in, a law enforcement source told ABC.
Suspect Rex Heuermann’s estranged wife’s cheek swab matches DNA found on victims: report

Multiple victims placed in that residence, by Rex's wife's DNA with bodies. Rex's hair being found on a body. I think this is good evidence, despite what defense counsel would like us to believe.