Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

The point about the hairs is it leads so obviously to Rex, it makes the witness' behavior bizarre. It doesn't make his wife an instant suspect, it makes her an instant witness, and she should be searching information at home, not in hearings.

She doesn't think he is capable? She would know better than I, frankly. She has the ability to help identify exculpatory information, and, since her life and Rex's are clearly somewhat adjacent to the murders, find clues to point LE in a more productive direction.

I disagree about Rex (if he's the perp) not noticing a hair. Clearly he noticed hairs and avoided them. Otherwise, there would have been many more found at the scene.

MOO

At the very least, a witness, yes. She and her attorney can't have it both ways. Her hair was found on victims, inside burlap, and on tape that was found, wrapped around the skeletal remains of victims. But she doesn't think he's capable of being the killer. How might it have gotten there if not by RH? And her lawyer made a comment way back, suggesting RH might be guilty. Which is it then?
I agree about noticing the hairs. Only four hairs found on four women's remains even using tape, a belt and burlap for packaging. You'd think there'd be more. MOO.

 

[SharD]

I like the idea of leaving the posts Re: the Manorville searches here until the time comes that we are certain that Jessica and Valerie are not connected to Lisk. And, until any connection/link, copycat or competition between RH and J Bittrolff is officially ruled out. Some here have not ruled out the possibility that a group of men are involved- for example RH, James Burke, Thomas Spota (possibly in trying to protect Burke), Joseph Brewer, Hackett, Bittrolff and possibly others unknown to us at this time.

I think the possibility of a third killer cannot be ruled out yet...

 

[CuriousCricket]

Here is a link to the indictment. Hopefully, any comments about the hair in evidence in the case will only use this document as a source of the circumstances of the recovered hair, I should have linked it on a previous post.

The three hairs from RH's wife. One on tape on victim Costello, two "around head area of Waterman, one on tape on the head area, one hair outside the head area, but both in the "vicinity of the head".

RH's one hair, found on Waterman was "on the bottom of the burlap" that was wrapped around victim.

Hair on belt buckle (victim Barnes) must the daughter's and left off of the indictment it was her DNA, later disclosed.

The bodies are actually skeletal remains.

We can't trust anyone to give us actual facts about the "burlap type of material". Was it bags or a camo print landscape burlap-like fabric from a roll that was used in their garden, like what was reportedly found at the house. It was right in the indictment that the hair could have been transferred/on the burlap, along with from the house or car or RH himself. MOO

READ IT: Indictment for Suspected Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Rex Heuermann

An indictment filed on Friday details all the charges a New York man is facing in connection with the Gilgo Beach serial killings. The 32-page document filed in Suffolk County formally charged Rex Heuermann, 59, with killing Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello — though The...

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From the condition of the home and knowledge of how much it appears RH was spending on his "hobby", I have concluded RH cut financial corners when he could. That leads me to suspect that he grabbed up a roll of tape from his home or a gardening shed when going on an "adventure". Perhaps the same with the duck blind printed camo burlap. The stickiness of the tape carried hairs with it and some survived over the years to become evidence.

From his interview, we know he prided himself on being a "problem solver" or "trouble shooter". That's why there are so many differences between MBB and the other 3: MBB: 3 belts as restrainers and wrapped in plastic; Other 3 GB victims: Tape and burlap bags.

So, since the daughter's hair was on the monogrammed belt, was the monogrammed belt something his daughter had liked and worn? Had it perhaps been in her room? I'm trying to see how RH might have grabbed it up to carry with him . . . .

What I want to know about the burlap bags is whether he purchased them as bags or if he purchased big rolls of burlap for duck blinds then formed them into bags, using staples or some other method of closure.

 

[sds71]

Long Island Press editor-in-chief Timothy Bolger, as well as digital editor Michael Malaszczyk, won Second Place in the Best News or Feature Series category for their three-story package on the Gilgo Beach investigation throughout 2023. Bolger has been with the Press since 2003, while Malaszczyk joined in 2023. One story in the package, written by Bolger discussed how alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann lived very close to the Nassau County Police Academy. Another, also by Bolger, discussed if “Fire Island Jane Doe” Karen Vergata had last been seen at Heuermann’s house. A story by Malaszczyk analyzed every murder – both on Long Island and nationwide – that Heuermann has been potentially linked to, either by news media or investigating authorities.

Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann Lived Near Nassau Police Academy

Gilgo Beach Murders: Which Killings Are Rex Heuermann Accused Of?

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Long Island Press Wins Four New York Press Association Awards

The Long Island Press took home four awards at the 2023 New York Press Association Better Newspaper Contest – four out of 49 won by Schneps Media, the Press's parent company.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[cenazoic]

Yes, it’s very curious. They have to have some very serious lead to spend all this time and money on these searches.

Slight tangent, and I understand that the “the searches aren’t tied to Heuermann” narrative has been debunked, but it made me wonder:

Theoretically, if the searches were tied to say, Bitrolff, would LE expend the huge amounts of money and manpower they did in Manorville on searching for victims of a serial killer who’s already been tried and convicted?

 

[dotr]

Slight tangent, and I understand that the “the searches aren’t tied to Heuermann” narrative has been debunked, but it made me wonder:

Theoretically, if the searches were tied to say, Bitrolff, would LE expend the huge amounts of money and manpower they did in Manorville on searching for victims of a serial killer who’s already been tried and convicted?

Just a thought, not a pleasant one but- one area SK is has been tried and convicted, and RH is safely in jail awaiting a trial etc. for alleged long ago crimes, so maybe there is a current, developing SK coming down the pike?
imo, speculation.

 

[NyxNY]

Slight tangent, and I understand that the “the searches aren’t tied to Heuermann” narrative has been debunked, but it made me wonder:

Theoretically, if the searches were tied to say, Bitrolff, would LE expend the huge amounts of money and manpower they did in Manorville on searching for victims of a serial killer who’s already been tried and convicted?

BINGO

 

[NyxNY]

Just a thought, not a pleasant one but- one area SK is has been tried and convicted, and RH is safely in jail awaiting a trial etc. for alleged long ago crimes, so maybe there is a current, developing SK coming down the pike?
imo, speculation.

Oh god please no.

 

[snarast]

Oh god please no.

I’m guessing it was a search for missing body parts and possibly additional clothing/body-disposal-material. But I guess that’s obvious.

 

[PickleChris]

I'm going to go with investigation of SK #3.

 

[snarast]

I'm going to go with investigation of SK #3.

Possible. Ugh.

 

[Betty P]

Long Island Press editor-in-chief Timothy Bolger, as well as digital editor Michael Malaszczyk, won Second Place in the Best News or Feature Series category for their three-story package on the Gilgo Beach investigation throughout 2023. Bolger has been with the Press since 2003, while Malaszczyk joined in 2023. One story in the package, written by Bolger discussed how alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann lived very close to the Nassau County Police Academy. Another, also by Bolger, discussed if “Fire Island Jane Doe” Karen Vergata had last been seen at Heuermann’s house. A story by Malaszczyk analyzed every murder – both on Long Island and nationwide – that Heuermann has been potentially linked to, either by news media or investigating authorities.

Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann Lived Near Nassau Police Academy

Gilgo Beach Murders: Which Killings Are Rex Heuermann Accused Of?

Was Fire Island Jane Doe Karen Vergata Last Seen at Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Suspect Rex Heuermann’s House?

Long Island Press Wins Four New York Press Association Awards

The Long Island Press took home four awards at the 2023 New York Press Association Better Newspaper Contest – four out of 49 won by Schneps Media, the Press's parent company.

www.longislandpress.com

Congratulations to both journalists on their great work. The Long Island Press has been an excellent news source while following this story. Their coverage is very thorough.

 

[wcasewatch]

Slight tangent, and I understand that the “the searches aren’t tied to Heuermann” narrative has been debunked, but it made me wonder:

Theoretically, if the searches were tied to say, Bitrolff, would LE expend the huge amounts of money and manpower they did in Manorville on searching for victims of a serial killer who’s already been tried and convicted?

If you've organized a large-scale search involving multiple agencies and cadaver dogs from other jurisdictions, then it would make sense to cover all bases by searching the scene of a somewhat-related unsolved murder. I say somewhat-related because there is a pretty good chance that Rex's lawyer will attempt to insinuate that Bittrolff is responsible for the Gilgo Beach killings. They may have also wanted to rule out Rex in Costillo's case, even though Bittrolff is the main suspect. If they had already setup an operation to search multiple sites in Manorville over the course of a week, then sending a team up to Southampton would have made sense (financially and operationally). Part of me thinks that this search was carried out in case Rex had also dumped the partial remains of Peaches (skull missing) or Vergata (torso missing) in Manorville.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Continue the discussion here.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Please continue the discussion on Thread #11.

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 4 murders, July 2023 #11

In my our lifetime, an arrest is made for LISK! 10 victims Friday’s reported arrest came after Suffolk County’s new police commissioner created a special Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February last year Gilgo Beach, LISK serial killings suspect in police custody Thread #1...

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[snooptroop88]

I couldn't respond on the last thread before it closed, but I know @CuriousCricket wondered if RH was cutting corners because of his "hobbies." Have wondered on this as well. Definitely recognizing the "cutting corners" is possible. I've been back and forth on the "cutting corners" idea, but I don't think RH's little mistakes with the burlap and belts are necessarily because of cutting corners. I also don't think his letting that house fall to pieces was just "not having the money," either. I think RH harbored serious hatred towards one or both parents and it's reflected in all the "TLC" he gave the home. Meaning even if he had a ready flow of cash, he'd still like to see it in shambles. Pure speculation, though.

I think the hairs are normal transfer, and he recognized that such a transfer was a risk for him, but one he was willing to accept so long as his disposal methods would promise concealment for an extended period of time.

As for the monogrammed belt, don't think this was any accident or even just convenience of a kind. I think there was something special to him about that certain victim. There's some weird reason why he left that belt. I'd compare that belt to the phone calls he made to MB's family. There's some trigger with that particular victim in RH's head that prompted those calls, and with MBB, there was something at work in RH's mind-- particular to his experiences with that victim-- that prompted the leaving of the belt as well. (Believe phone calls also made to friend of MBB.) Both of these "gestures," the phone calls to victims' family/friends and the belt, carry tremendous risk for him, but I don't think he's able to restrain himself. Also think Peaches was special to him in some way and that is why her remains have been found in so many locations, and why her remains mark the parameters of the graveyard. 100% agreed, though, that RH is a "problem-solver" and some of his handiwork would reflect that.

As for the idea of a third SK, seeing that mentioned a lot, I sure hope not. But you never know. Have wondered for years if there was any kind of association between RH and Bittolff. Hoping we get some answers about what they were searching for out there recently. The idea of another SK can't be ruled out, adding another level to this horror show, three of these sick freaks at work in the same relatively small area of territory.

 

[sds71]

The Gilgo Beach Homicide Task Force has expanded its scope to take a “fresh look” at other unsolved cases involving human remains found elsewhere in the county, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said Thursday.

The revelation follows a report issued by the district attorney’s office that stated the work of the task force is “far from complete” regarding Gilgo Four suspect Rex A. Heuermann and other defendants “yet to be named.”

“We’re looking at other dead bodies,” Tierney told Newsday in an interview. “We’re using the same methodology that we used before, but we’re taking a fresh approach to each body.”

Gilgo Beach task force expanding scope to look into other Suffolk unsolved homicides, DA Ray Tierney says

The task force started with Gilgo, but has "morphed into something else," District Attorney Ray Tierney said.

www.newsday.com

 

[sds71]

Tierney said the task force turned over more than 420 devices investigators seized during search warrants executed at the home, office and storage spaces rented by Heuermann to Secret Service investigators who specialize in analyzing encrypted devices following his July 13 arrest.

Tierney said the items turned over to the federal agency include smartphones, palm pilots, tablets, laptops, desktop computers and CD-ROMs.

“A large number of smart devices were found at the locations,” Tierney said. “An unusual amount.”

Suffolk County District Attorney - SCDA Annual Report 2024 (JP) - Page 98-99

PEOPLE v. REX HEUERMANN On July 14, 2023, DA Tierney announced the arrest and indictment of Rex Heuermann for the murders of Megan Waterman, Amber Costello, and

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Gilgo Beach task force expanding scope to look into other Suffolk unsolved homicides, DA Ray Tierney says

The task force started with Gilgo, but has "morphed into something else," District Attorney Ray Tierney said.

www.newsday.com

 

[SharD]

I am curious if the "doctor" who allegedly met with Tina Foglia could have been Hackett? Does anyone know his age?

 

[wcasewatch]

I am curious if the "doctor" who allegedly met with Tina Foglia could have been Hackett? Does anyone know his age?

Doubtful, I think. There are so many doctors living in NYC and Long Island.