Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

The affidavit of the woman cab driver was also very compelling. If accurate, she saw Rex when he was angry and preparing to kill someone. A different persona than the guy at the swinger party, though I’m sure he could switch personalities very quickly.

There also was the taxi dispatcher who heard the exchange between her and the presumed RH.

 

[Romans12]

RSBM

This was exactly why I took issue with Harrison standing up there next to John Ray in that press conference (and in my estimation, why Tierney also took issue with it ). Harrison himself admitted during that PC that the task force was still working on vetting this information. It's a horrific mistake, imo , for the Police Commissioner to appear to give credence to any information that hasn't been thoroughly vetted. This is exactly why we now have people running around stating that it's a fact that AE hosted swinger parties, and that Karen Vergatta definitely was in the Heuermann house the night she went missing and that she ran out of there naked and scared for her life. If this information turns out to be false or mistaken, what do you think the defense is going to do with that ? What do you think AE's attorney will do with that ?

(Not aimed at you at all. I just used your post as a jumping off point. )

If they have a solid forensic case it should be fine.

 

[CuriousCricket]

There also was the taxi dispatcher who heard the exchange between her and the presumed RH.

Weren't there two incidents for the cab driver? Really scary as the presumed RH apparently had hunted down the cab driver after the Shannan Gilbert incidence and threatened the driver with a gun -- overheard by the dispatcher.

 

[fred&edna]

I think it will be really hard to predict how wide ranging this case will go. The investigation is driven by Suffolk County, NY (where so many of the bodies were found) and includes multiple agencies. Would not other counties and jurisdictions be responsible for launching their own investigations of any unsolved crimes in their areas?

I'm not sure what it might take for an investigation of this size to launch in South Carolina, nor who would pay for it.

I think LE in Atlantic City would have to make the call whether to take another look or if they already have and said "not our guy."

What tugs at my mind is John Bittrolff, still protesting his innocence but convicted of two murders in 2014, using DNA, then cutting edge, but I suspect he was charged and convicted without the intense study of digital data that is available now and incredible valuable in this Gilgo case.

IF Newsday is right about Sandra Costilla being considered an RH victim, then will it come out that Bittrolff was convicted because his DNA proved he had sex with the two women, but as his attorney said, "proof of sex is not proof of murder." Apparently Bittrolff's DNA was not found on Costilla or he would have been charged there too.

I don't think LE will look at "solved" crimes, but wonder about the Innocence Foundation getting involved. I would hope that IF the taskforce did stumble into evidence that RH was responsible for Bittrolff's two, it would look into it for justice's sake. They should have enough evidence to solve a lot of mysteries.

I am concerned with regard to Bittrolff's conviction, as well. I think there were two sources of DNA (one Bittrolff and an unknown other) presented in his trial. Also, sawdust/wood chips found on victims were associated with Bittrolff. But, now we have "woodworking/carpentry" related RH with these other victims. Definitely something to consider.

jmo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If they have a solid forensic case it should be fine.

You still have to present a case in a court of law. It's not just about solving a case, it's also about winning a case.

JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I am concerned with regard to Bittrolff's conviction, as well. I think there were two sources of DNA (one Bittrolff and an unknown other) presented in his trial. Also, sawdust/wood chips found on victims were associated with Bittrolff. But, now we have "woodworking/carpentry" related RH with these other victims. Definitely something to consider.

jmo

Right there with ya, Fredna. Add to that the fact that all of these victims were sex workers who may have had contact with more than one person in the course of the evening, and YIKES if you don't have every i dotted.

 

[snooptroop88]

I am concerned with regard to Bittrolff's conviction, as well. I think there were two sources of DNA (one Bittrolff and an unknown other) presented in his trial. Also, sawdust/wood chips found on victims were associated with Bittrolff. But, now we have "woodworking/carpentry" related RH with these other victims. Definitely something to consider.

jmo

Totally agreed on this. NYPost: "John Bittrolff was one of Heuermann's 200-plus alleged Google searches related to the Gilgo Beach case, according to his bail application"

Rex Heuermann’s peculiar connection to ‘Manorville Butcher’ and victims’ scattered body parts

Four of the victims – known as the “Gilgo Beach 4” – have been connected to Heuermann, who is believed to be “LISK,” short for Long Island Serial Killer.

nypost.com

And yes, I can definitely picture RH in enraptured delight watching LE charging someone else for his murders, and "searching it up" to get a look-see. But it's equally possible Bittrolff was another area SK and RH was interested in his info for that reason. What happens with that will depend on the strength of the original case against Bittrolff, but based on statements I'm already seeing noted here made by Bittrolff's attorney at the time, that could become a serious concern.

 

[Betty P]

Weren't there two incidents for the cab driver? Really scary as the presumed RH apparently had hunted down the cab driver after the Shannan Gilbert incidence and threatened the driver with a gun -- overheard by the dispatcher.

Yes. At the motel and a second incident on a dead end street where the driver was called to pick up a woman sw who was being harassed by someone who looked like Rex. Separate incidents. Some of us here at WS were able to find the motel on Google Maps. It’s closed now, but the description of it, the room, the parking lot and side street where the Rex looking attacker parked all fit the witness account. I haven’t read it ina while, but it was very scary.

Attorney: Affidavits Link Rex Heuermann to Deaths of Shannan Gilbert, Karen Vergatta

New witnesses, two of whom provided sworn affidavits, are linking Long Island serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann to the murders of Karen Vergata and Shannan Gilbert. Attorney John Ray represents to estate of Gilbert, whose disappearance in 2010 ultimately led to the discovery of the Gilgo 4 and...

www.crimeonline.com

Sayville Motel Sold For $2M After Sex Trafficking, Drug Charges: Feds

The property will be repurposed by its new owner for the benefit of the residents of Long Island, feds say.

patch.com

 

[Luna20]

Need MSM for statement "she hosted the parties", no evidence she invited anyone to her house for sexual activities.

I was responding to the poster who linked it. It should be in yesterday’s post.

 

[Warwick7]

"Tierney also said investigators gathered evidence of the suspect's internet search history, which included what he described as "torture porn" — "depictions of women being abused, being raped and being killed" — as well as photos of the victims, photos and locations of the victims' relatives, and over 200 searches for information about the investigation itself."

Suspect charged in Gilgo Beach serial killings cold case that rocked Long Island

The suspect, identified as Rex Heuermann, of Massapequa, Long Island, is charged with multiple counts of murder.

www.cbsnews.com

Shortly before each woman vanished, she had contact with a person using a "burner" cellphone without a verified identity, according to court records. The cellphones of two victims were used by the killer after their deaths, according to records.

On five occasions in the summer of 2009, someone in midtown Manhattan -- which is where Heuermann's office is located -- used Barthelemy's phone to make "taunting phone calls to Ms. Barthelemy's family members," court documents said. Some of the calls "resulted in a conversation between the caller, who was a male, and a relative of Melissa Barthelemy, in which the male caller admitted killing and sexually assaulting Ms. Barthelemy," documents said.

Gilgo Beach murders: Suspect identified as Rex Heuermann, charged in deaths of 3 women

A man has been arrested in connection with the Gilgo Beach murders.

abcnews.go.com

BBM

 

[Izzylizzy]

RSBM

This was exactly why I took issue with Harrison standing up there next to John Ray in that press conference (and in my estimation, why Tierney also took issue with it ). Harrison himself admitted during that PC that the task force was still working on vetting this information. It's a horrific mistake, imo , for the Police Commissioner to appear to give credence to any information that hasn't been thoroughly vetted. This is exactly why we now have people running around stating that it's a fact that AE hosted swinger parties, and that Karen Vergatta definitely was in the Heuermann house the night she went missing and that she ran out of there naked and scared for her life. If this information turns out to be false or mistaken, what do you think the defense is going to do with that ? What do you think AE's attorney will do with that ?

(Not aimed at you at all. I just used your post as a jumping off point. )

I agree that some have taken John's 2 witnesse's statements as absolute truth which they're not and shouldn't be claimed as such.

imo: I don't think either RH or AE would sue for defamation in civil court.
Discovery would open up another can of worms.

I see Harrison as giving Ray's investigating credence, something which before he arrived was non-existent within the dept and showed that his task force is involved with cases that came from Ray.
Harrison was even present during an interview with one of Ray's witnesses.

 

[fred&edna]

A 2014 report about Bittrolff's arrest/indictment and these comments by (former DA and currently incarcerated) Spota caught my eye...

“The manner of death, the positioning of her body, and the trace evidence of Ms. Costilla is similar to that of Tangredi and McNamee,” Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota told reporters Tuesday during at a news conference at his Hauppauge office.

Spota also shot down any idea of a connection between these three cases and the investigation into the unsolved Gilgo Beach murders. He said the respective murders and crime scenes are unique and there is no “evidentiary” link.

smh

Manorville Man Arrested for ’90s Murders Suspected in 3rd Cold Case

John Bittrolff was charged with the murders of Rita Tangredi-Beinlich and Colleen McNamee.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[Sillybilly]

What a web we weave, eh?
John Ray in a video on Joe Giacalone's program (can't post Joe G here) said that the ex- NYC narc boyfriend "RW" is connected to "Springfield Gardens" Queens, N.Y. which also borders Prospect Park.....IIRC:
Though Ray didn't say then or now .

I remembered it because of "Springfield" being home of the "Simpsons" and Vermont's Springfield won the competition.

To clarify, John Ray has been a major figure in the LISK investigation for a long time. Videos where a major "case player" is interviewed (i.e. family members, investigators, lawyers who are prominent in the case) are generally allowed. We only ask that members get approval before posting a link because there are actually some hosts we would not allow regardless of who they were interviewing. (There aren't many, but they do exist ).

Joe Giacalone does not have blanket approval at WS but when he is interviewing John Ray or other major figures who are an important part of this case, his videos are allowed.

 

[Sillybilly]

To clarify, John Ray has been a major figure in the LISK investigation for a long time. Videos where a major "case player" is interviewed (i.e. family members, investigators, lawyers who are prominent in the case) are generally allowed. We only ask that members get approval before posting a link because there are actually some hosts we would not allow regardless of who they were interviewing. (There aren't many, but they do exist ).

Joe Giacalone does not have blanket approval at WS but when he is interviewing John Ray or other major figures who are an important part of this case, his videos are allowed.

 

[Sillybilly]

To clarify, John Ray has been a major figure in the LISK investigation for a long time. Videos where a major "case player" is interviewed (i.e. family members, investigators, lawyers who are prominent in the case) are generally allowed. We only ask that members get approval before posting a link because there are actually some hosts we would not allow regardless of who they were interviewing. (There aren't many, but they do exist ).

Joe Giacalone does not have blanket approval at WS but when he is interviewing John Ray or other major figures who are an important part of this case, his videos are allowed.

 

[Sillybilly]

To clarify, John Ray has been a major figure in the LISK investigation for a long time. Videos where a major "case player" is interviewed (i.e. family members, investigators, lawyers who are prominent in the case) are generally allowed. We only ask that members get approval before posting a link because there are actually some hosts we would not allow regardless of who they were interviewing. (There aren't many, but they do exist ).

Joe Giacalone does not have blanket approval at WS but when he is interviewing John Ray or other major figures who are an important part of this case, his videos are allowed.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree that some have taken John's 2 witnesse's statements as absolute truth which they're not and shouldn't be claimed as such.

imo: I don't think either RH or AE would sue for defamation in civil court.
Discovery would open up another can of worms.

I see Harrison as giving Ray's investigating credence, something which before he arrived was non-existent within the dept and showed that his task force is involved with cases that came from Ray.
Harrison was even present during an interview with one of Ray's witnesses.

I see what you're saying, Izzy. Just to be clear, I never questioned Harrison's intent in publicly connecting himself to JR, I questioned the wisdom of it. Not because of any particular feelings I have about JR, but because he is a private attorney who supposedly represents "the estates" of some of the victims in this investigation. Once this case goes to trial, that could be a REAL problem for the prosecution.

All JMO, of course.

 

[Eaglette]

Hoping the mega Peacock deal can be pulled.

There must be an "out"

 

[snarast]

RSBM

This was exactly why I took issue with Harrison standing up there next to John Ray in that press conference (and in my estimation, why Tierney also took issue with it ). Harrison himself admitted during that PC that the task force was still working on vetting this information. It's a horrific mistake, imo , for the Police Commissioner to appear to give credence to any information that hasn't been thoroughly vetted. This is exactly why we now have people running around stating that it's a fact that AE hosted swinger parties, and that Karen Vergatta definitely was in the Heuermann house the night she went missing and that she ran out of there naked and scared for her life. If this information turns out to be false or mistaken, what do you think the defense is going to do with that ? What do you think AE's attorney will do with that ?

(Not aimed at you at all. I just used your post as a jumping off point. )

Yeah, the problem is sometimes you have to make it absolutely impossible for ppl to brush certain crimes under the rug.

You know…they’re on drugs…them pimps are out there ditching their disobedient ladies…nothing to see here…

 

[iamshadow21]

Hoping the mega Peacock deal can be pulled.

There must be an "out"

I highly doubt a media organisation would pull out of having exclusive access to the family when the case is just getting bigger. If anything they'll be high fiving each other for getting in early, when they could offer a lower amount and be accepted.

If it bleeds, it leads. The media isn't a charity, death and disaster is literally their stock-in-trade.

MOO