Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[PreciousDust]

DNA doesn't lie

DNA is a science

"it is proof"

Defense atty says: "Coupla hairs, coulda come from anywhere, maybe the police put them there themselves".

 

[snarast]

Did the information that got LE looking in Manorville come from Bittrolff or his attorney? Pretty sure the sequence of events was Bittrolff files appeal for new trial, LE digs in Manorville, digs in Massapequa Park, files news charges. Since Castilla had originally been assumed to be Bittrolff's victim that they just couldn't prove it (left shoe also missing, as with Rita Tangredi and Colleem McNamee), it would mean that Bittrolff spilled on his co-murdering buddy Rex or that Bittrolff was trying to exonerate himself completely by pinning it on Rex (but how would he know??).

For Michael Brown, there's only one defense left, i.e. that LE fabricated Rex's Murder Diary because they realized their DNA evidence was too thin. On its face, seems a preposterous claim, but a defense attorney needs to sow doubt in just one juror's mind, that's the game.

They may have interacted in some techy chatroom - something less commercial like irc.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, they knew the hair that was found on Sandra wasn't Bittrolff's. He was excluded from contributing it.

RSBM

I could be wrong, but I think there were 2 sources of DNA from either Rita or Colleen. 1 source could be linked to Bittrolf, and 1 couldn't. If I'm correct in that, I have to believe that LE is trying to compare that DNA to RH. What I can't wrap my head around, though, is the posing. There is just no way I can accept that both Bittrolff and Heuermann just coincidentally chose to pose victims in exactly the same manner. Which leaves me here: how could there be DNA linking Bittrolff to Colleen and Rita if he didn't have contact with these victims ? Did both of these guys attend "parties" together ? Did Bittrolff and/or Heuermann just happen to engage the very same escorts and one or the other actually killed them and the one or the other is being falsely charged with murder ? My questions here are just endless, and I have zero answers, to be honest.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Rex Heuermann’s kids are “along for the dark ride” and standing by the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer, according to their lawyer.

Victoria Heuermann and Christopher Sheridan remain by their side even after their dad was charged with two more murders and prosecutors detailed a sickening “planning document” he allegedly kept on a computer in his Massapequa Park home, lawyer Vess Mitev said.

“They continue to bravely face the scrutiny and adversity head-on and they will wait for the legal process to conclude in a courtroom and not in the court of public opinion,” Mitev told The Post on Friday morning.

“They are along for the dark ride, one might say,” Mitev also told the US Sun.

“Nonetheless, they’re two young adults that have done nothing wrong and they’re trying to keep their lives from completely crumbling in the midst of all this,” the attorney said.

Mitev declined to comment on whether Victoria and Christopher had read the bulk of the evidence, but said that the pair want to see the case against their dad for themselves at his trial.

“There’s a quantum leap between allegations and a conviction, as any criminal defense attorney will tell you, so whether it’s one or 100 charges, they’re still allegations,” Mitev noted.

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer’s kids ‘along for dark ride,’ sticking by dad after disturbing ‘planning document’ revealed

Victoria Heuermann and Christopher Sheridan are the adult children of Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann.

nypost.com

It's called the "Peacock" train that Mitev, Macedonio, Asa, VH jumped on for mega $$$$.

My heart goes out to CS who I highly doubt truly understands what he was dragged into.

 

[Kudzuu]

If RH is like a lot of SK’s he will be happy to talk about his experiences. It is yet another way to re live them. In the Mind Hunter series one of the FBI guys kinda loses it when I think it was Kemper gets chummy with him and he realizes this big six and a half foot murderer could kill him with his bare hands and have zero remorse.

IMO this case is so chilling because the research to understand and catch these killers is available to those very killers and it is a tool for them to learn.


Seems like these guys almost always have keepsakes and when they are caught and lose their trophies they start to talk.

MOO

 

[PreciousDust]

I don't know what this is going to mean for JB, but I suspect that his DNA on his two victims is still going to be the stronger argument than a variation on the SODDI defense. And I don't see him sitting in prison for a decade on his tod if he did it with RH without saying a word.

He's always said he didn't do anything, in a deep-science-fiction version he was maybe "supposed" to take the fall for whatever reason. You're probably right, but I think it's just typical of this case that LE was at one point swearing that whoever killed Tangredi and McNamee also killed Castilla.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Defense atty says: "Coupla hairs, coulda come from anywhere, maybe the police put them there themselves".

Yep. And I'd also argue that all 3 victims were escorts working in a particular area utilized by both JB and RH. Just because one engaged with a known sex worker, doesn't mean he killed her.

I'd love to know the DNA sources that came from Bittrolff. Were they seminal ? Hairs ? What ? It may not matter, but still, I'd like to know.

 

[PreciousDust]

,,,I now wonder if he might also seized on random opportunities when they presented themselves.

I feel that way, someone (apparently) this sick, despite being able to keep at least superficial relationships with women, was probably acting out as early as possible.

 

[iamshadow21]

Yep. And I'd also argue that all 3 victims were escorts working in a particular area utilized by both JB and RH. Just because one engaged with a known sex worker, doesn't mean he killed her.

I'd love to know the DNA sources that came from Bittrolff. Were they seminal ? Hairs ? What ? It may not matter, but still, I'd like to know.

I have not seen anything stating that Sandra Costilla did sex work. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the press conference yesterday, and they did mention it for Jessica.

Source, please.

 

[Kudzuu]

We do know that soon after his arrest RH became buddies with 'Happy Face".

Do you think there is significance to that happy face drawn on the back of RH's house?
Who put it there?
How do we know they became buddies?
Do you think RH knee he was about to be arrested and put it there to get the HF killer's attention to one up him or something?
Weird.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Defense atty says: "Coupla hairs, coulda come from anywhere, maybe the police put them there themselves".

And the juries say, nah, the perp put them there.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

@149Zone7

Exceptional book with incredible insight - however in the hands of a Serial Killer it is straight up porn! The publisher says it depicts cases that show “senseless depravity”! Rex did not study this book he got off on this book! There ain’t no such thing as a part-time Serial Killers!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1799082755516408073

 

[jessr927]

I have not seen anything stating that Sandra Costilla did sex work. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the press conference yesterday, and they did mention it for Jessica.

Source, please.

Sandra has never been mentioned as a sex worker.

 

[PreciousDust]

I'd love to know the DNA sources that came from Bittrolff. Were they seminal ? Hairs ? What ? It may not matter, but still, I'd like to know.

I don't know, but another thing I'm confused about re: Bittrolff's DNA is that, allegedly, besides his DNA (in some form) being on Rita and Colleen, there's some other party that had their DNA on both of them. I heard this, tried to verify from all the experts, and got different answers. Bittrolff is a murky component in all this.

 

[iamshadow21]

Do you think there is significance to that happy face drawn on the back of RH's house?
Who put it there?
How do we know they became buddies?
Do you think RH knee he was about to be arrested and put it there to get the HF killer's attention to one up him or something?
Weird.

Or, one of his kids could have painted it there for a lark when they were younger. There are millions of happy faces doodled on bus seats, brick walls, and school desks that have nothing to do with murder.

Not everything in that home is going to be to do with murder. There are going to be many, many things to do with the joys and mundane ins and outs of a family with two kids living their lives.

Sometimes a happy face is just a happy face.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Do you think there is significance to that happy face drawn on the back of RH's house?
Who put it there?
How do we know they became buddies?
Do you think RH knee he was about to be arrested and put it there to get the HF killer's attention to one up him or something?
Weird.

HF posted the reply letter that RH sent him.

Back in the day Happy Face stickers and kids "was like peas and carrots".

We do know that if RH didn't stick it there if he saw it he left it.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I feel that way, someone (apparently) this sick, despite being able to keep at least superficial relationships with women, was probably acting out as early as possible.

I agree. If we ever discover who his first victim was (and I doubt that we will), I think the learning curve for all of us would be astronomical.

(Great to see you, by the way.)

 

[Forest_Wood]

Did the information that got LE looking in Manorville come from Bittrolff or his attorney? Pretty sure the sequence of events was Bittrolff files appeal for new trial, LE digs in Manorville, digs in Massapequa Park, files news charges. Since Castilla had originally been assumed to be Bittrolff's victim that they just couldn't prove it (left shoe also missing, as with Rita Tangredi and Colleem McNamee), it would mean that Bittrolff spilled on his co-murdering buddy Rex or that Bittrolff was trying to exonerate himself completely by pinning it on Rex (but how would he know??).

For Michael Brown, there's only one defense left, i.e. that LE fabricated Rex's Murder Diary because they realized their DNA evidence was too thin. On its face, seems a preposterous claim, but a defense attorney needs to sow doubt in just one juror's mind, that's the game.

I believe they did their search in the Manorville area because of the killing plan they found on his old computer in the deleted folder. In that killing plan, RH referred to an area where one was disposed. MOO.

 

[PickleChris]

Throwing this football out there. Do any local gun ranges offer monthly/yearly locker rentals? Did he belong to any hunting clubs specifically in Manorville? Do they have rental lockers there?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I have not seen anything stating that Sandra Costilla did sex work. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the press conference yesterday, and they did mention it for Jessica.

Source, please.

It was an assumption on my part long ago, although, I do think there's evidence that points to it.

Who Are Sandra Costilla And Jessica Taylor? Gilgo Beach victims revealed

Rex Heuermann, the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer, has been charged with more murders.

www.newsweek.com

Police called Costilla a "drifter." Her last known address was in Queens, but it is thought she wasn't living there at the time of her death. Police never said if Costilla was a sex worker but called her lifestyle "substantially similar."

But you are absolutely right to call me out on that. I did state it as if it were a fact, and it's not. I should have typed my thoughts more carefully. Thanks.