Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

If you grow up in a situation where you're emotionally neglected and your father figure objectifies women then yeah, maybe a person thinks their self worth is dependent on whether man find them sexually attractive or not so maybe they go into that business. On the other hand, some women find being an adult performer empowering and beautiful and that's amazing. Like most things, I don't believe it's black or while and each and every person is different and handles life and their experiences differently. MOO.

Yet that wasn't your comparison, it was possibly seeing his books as a young child.

 

[iamshadow21]

But what if dear old dad kept pictures lying about throughout the years?

Then that does not mean VH was a participant in her killing. The tone was very much heavily suggested her involvement in her father's alleged crimes. Stumbling across a picture of a crime does not make someone a criminal. Every single one of us on here would be locked up, otherwise.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

And the ratings potential for the documentary just skyrocketed. Woooweee.

Cynical response, I know.

jmo

There is some truth, though.

It is all so sad.

VH is a victim and entitled to express herself.

But these murders need to be solved and if LE handled things correctly, Asa and Victoria would just be witnesses and as private as they want to be.

John Ray didn't do this to VH. LE and Macedonio and Mitev did this to VH. Also, there is nothing to sue John Ray about. It's not defamation to draw connections between her work and what her father is accused of doing. Ironically, referencing Mind Hunter, Rex allegedly called his alleged murder scenes "paintings."



MOO

 

[Ursamajr]

Yet that wasn't your comparison, it was possibly seeing his books as a young child.

My apologies, I don't think I follow?

 

[x_files]

Like seeing your dad's nudie magazines as a young child so you became a female adult performer which makes you a "victim"?

Kinda...children exposed to sex too early either can traumatize them. I would think it was more than just Playboy magazines but maybe something more disturbing like S&M, bondage, torture photos, magazines, or videos can traumatize a child.
If RH showed his children porn at an early age, he either was grooming them or trying to normalize his lifestyle to them. Since he is the parent they are victims.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Then that does not mean VH was a participant in her killing. The tone was very much heavily suggested her involvement in her father's alleged crimes. Stumbling across a picture of a crime does not make someone a criminal. Every single one of us on here would be locked up, otherwise.

MOO

Rex included "Stockholm Syndrome" in his document. That was not just a random phrase, imo, but held meaning to him.

For the moment, my impression is that Rex enjoyed and employed Stockholm Syndrome tactics on his family. Perhaps that will be proven an incorrect conclusion, but that's what I am thinking now.

jmo

 

[Izzylizzy]

It's possible that people in the "outsider art" community will be clamoring to commission original art from her. It's possible she could benefit and have an income source after today. Just saying.

jmo

Great future as an artist for her then, eh?

 

[snarast]

Then that does not mean VH was a participant in her killing. The tone was very much heavily suggested her involvement in her father's alleged crimes. Stumbling across a picture of a crime does not make someone a criminal. Every single one of us on here would be locked up, otherwise.

MOO

I don’t think that is the implication

A child can’t consent to sex and much less to being made to watch or do things of a sexual sadistic nature.

I shudder to think what may have happened to VH. None of that would be her fault.

 

[x_files]

And my question following that would be - did she accidently run across it and it influenced her at an impressionable age, or did he want her to see it and lure her into participating (even if she didn't realize she was participating).

idk

jmo

Great question.
Children are snoopy on their own or if he showed it to them on purpose.

 

[AugustWest]

But what if dear old dad kept pictures lying about throughout the years?

After-the-fact knowledge has no bearing on her complicity in her father's alleged crimes. It literally is impossible to be guilty of a crime after it has already been committed.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Kinda...children exposed to sex too early either can traumatize them. I would think it was more than just Playboy magazines but maybe something more disturbing like S&M, bondage, torture photos, magazines, or videos can traumatize a child.
If RH showed his children *advertiser censored* at an early age, he either was grooming them or trying to normalize his lifestyle to them. Since he is the parent they are victims.

Of course, that's why I used just the nudie magazines as a analogy for her maybe having seen his books as a young child.

This deep and dark.

 

[dotr]

I assume they meant "intimidated" ?? not intimated?

Had wondered if it was a Freudian slip, or meant as a sort of double entendre, imo.

 

[iamshadow21]

I don’t think that is the implication

A child can’t consent to sex and much less to being made to watch or do things of a sexual sadistic nature.

I shudder to think what may have happened to VH.

He said that her hair wasn't transferred to Amber by RH. Implication being that VH left it herself.

VH was around twelve years of age and not even in the state when Amber was killed.

How else is it meant to be read than he thinks she was involved, when he's saying that along with showing her taste in art?

MOO

 

[x_files]

I don’t think that is the implication

A child can’t consent to sex and much less to being made to watch or do things of a sexual sadistic nature.

I shudder to think what may have happened to VH. None of that would be her fault.

EXACTLY! At this point, since VH and her brother were minors raised by REH, a monster, they are victims until other evidence proves they later crossed that line. But, even then keep in mind if you were groomed to do so, is not the same as being a willing participant.
RH is a monster.

 

[LadyL]

I hope she is.

It is clear she is not hiring an attorney to say the most decent thing, "My client is horrified by the murders her father is accused of. While she (Chose one: believes he is innocent/is shocked at the allegations/is unsure if she has witnessed anything useful), she is cooperating fully with the investigation. She asks for privacy at this time."

She signed a sleazy deal.

MOO

why does she/they need to release a statement that satisfies you? she owes us nothing and is considered a victim

 

[x_files]

It's possible that people in the "outsider art" community will be clamoring to commission original art from her. It's possible she could benefit and have an income source after today. Just saying.

jmo

Tis worries and disturbs me.

 

[x_files]

Great future as an artist for her then, eh?

It will attact deviants.

 

[fidgeypie]

why does she/they need to release a statement that satisfies you? she owes us nothing and is considered a victim

Thank you I've been trying to find a respectful way to say this >3

 

[Ruminations]

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He <JR> gave his opinions on her art and her peacock deal.

She made her art. She signed the Peacock deal.

Did she grow up as a victim in a house of horrors? Very likely. It is alleged that Rex Heuermann did that to her.

LE resisted solving this case for decades. Only recently with the task force, headed up by a police commissioner who worked with John Ray, did we finally get real progress and an arrest.

If LE correctly investigated LISK and did not tolerate the Jimmy the King culture, John Ray would not be needed.

MOO

 

[snarast]

He said that her hair wasn't transferred to Amber by RH. Implication being that VH left it herself.

VH was around twelve years of age and not even in the state when Amber was killed.

How else is it meant to be read than he thinks she was involved, when he's saying that along with showing her taste in art?

MOO

If she was involved it’s child abuse to the n:th degree.

I’m more concerned she may have been present at earlier murders since that may have been before VH could form long term reliable memories.