Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

Why, WHY would you assume that Ray has access to information LE doesn't? This assumption that he's the final word over LE, who have far more resources at their disposal is really concerning.

We don't think that- at least I don't.

The difference is that John Ray is reliably on the side of fact finding.

Local LE has been mixed, with a history of corruption. This is not to detract from the fact that LE did super work, especially under Commissioner Harrison and the task force he pulled together.

No matter what was going on in local LE. John Ray had steadfastly supported solving this case. That doesn't mean he has more information or resources- it only means he is more reliably going to continue to advocate for using that information.

For example, John Ray has brought important witnesses to our attention after the same witnesses were ignored by Crime Stoppers. (Official tip line.) that means, LE had access first, but wouldn't address the information.

John Ray gadflew it into public view. Maybe that angered local LE, but in fairness, they were the ones who ignored the information.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Coffee and a croissant for everyone, this stuff is tough!

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Thank you. I was getting hangry.

 

[k-mac]

I don't think it is okay to hold a press conference to publicly denounce someone's clothing and artwork. I do expect that others think it's fine.

jmo

edited to add....without any evidence that a crime was committed by the person who wears distasteful clothes.

Nah... that is lame reasoning for sure.

exposing a possible serial killer wanna be in the making tho?? there is the likelihood.

Inner depraved thought processes are expressed in those 'artworks'
that show a striking similarity to her serial killer fathers brutality and handiwork.
coincidence?? slim to none. IMO

Can't see this be hushed away as a nothing burger.

MOO

 

[k-mac]

We don't think that- at least I don't.

The difference is that John Ray is reliably on the side of fact finding.

Local LE has been mixed, with a history of corruption. This is not to detract from the fact that LE did super work, especially under Commissioner Harrison and the task force he pulled together.

No matter what was going on in local LE. John Ray had steadfastly supported solving this case. That doesn't mean he has more information or resources- it only means he is more reliably going to continue to advocate for using that information.

For example, John Ray has brought important witnesses to our attention after the same witnesses were ignored by Crime Stoppers. (Official tip line.) that means, LE had access first, but wouldn't address the information.

John Ray gadflew it into public view. Maybe that angered local LE, but in fairness, they were the ones who ignored the information.

MOO

bring it!!
EXPOSE IT!!!
JR is shaking it up

sing it from the rooftops!

too much hush hush bs goes on.

 

[Trailbum74]

All John Ray's press conference has done is made me side eye my graphic novel collection and wonder if someone will ever be calling me a cannibal one day. The Killing Joke alone should land me in a padded room according to John Ray!
Also, I will be "walking amongst us" with my gothy black clothes later and just letting ya'll know, I don't plan on hurting anyone. I just need some oat milk. Don't judge me.

Anyone else pick up the irony of John Ray and his circus ringmaster attire (I dig it!) trying to hint we should be judging others on their clothing choices?

For that matter, tattoo artists and their human canvasses should all be considered as pretty suss. I personally know a LOT of people with gnarly tattoos and artwork. I don't know a single tattoo artist who doesn't have a skull in his/her portfolio.

The internet wasn't a "thing" when I was a kid. As an angsty teen struggling through feelings I couldn't understand and growing up in a small Vermont town, I did draw and write poetry that was pretty dark at times (think EAPoe on steroids). Once I had access to the internet, I would stumble across things while surfing the web and find myself on some very "questionable" sites out of pure morbid curiosity. I mean, the hype around the Faces of Death VHS tapes alone was huge, and I wanted to see what it was all about.

Suffice it to say, I've neither killed nor dined upon anyone to date. I was just a conflicted kid distracting myself from my own inner turmoil and trying to seek others who could relate.

I can't imagine that RH was an easy man to grow up with (based on feedback from his former colleagues in interviews), but maybe his parenting was deficient or demeaning in some way to VH. Could she have been traumatized in her childhood?

Or, could it just be that she's from a generation that sees the world around her crumbling (war, crime, doomscrolling)? It could be as simple as her having emotions she was struggling to deal with or work through—ultimately expressing them through art/art appreciation. From what I gathered during yesterday's presser, she didn't generate much of what Ray produced from her now-deleted Tumblr account but either liked or shared/posted the works of others that she resonated with. Of those art pieces she did create, as a woman and victim of sexual assault myself, I think many different interpretations could be made based on the life experiences of the person/people viewing.

Some of my own thoughts and opinions.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I don't think it is okay to hold a press conference to publicly denounce someone's clothing and artwork. I do expect that others think it's fine.

jmo

edited to add....without any evidence that a crime was committed by the person who wears distasteful clothes.

The press conference was about so much more than someone's clothing though.
We do want all facts to be uncovered in this case, right?
I see the press conference as exposing the persona of a family member of a SK, as well as the potential implication of that persona.
The implication here is astonishing.
How can the daughter of a SK be so attracted to art that depicts torture, degradation of women and murder in a similar way that her own father is now charged with.
MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

At his presser yesterday did Vess Mitev deny that the Tumblir account belonged to VH and that she didn't post/re-post any images and/or follow the blogs claimed by JR?

 

[Skhuter]

I wonder where that human skull came from in her art.

It was made out of clay

 

[k-mac]

The press conference was about so much more than someone's clothing though.
We do want all facts to be uncovered in this case, right?
I see the press conference as exposing the persona of a family member of a SK, as well as the potential implication of that persona.
The implication here is astonishing.
How can the daughter of a SK be so attracted to art that depicts torture, degradation of women and murder in a similar way that her own father is now charged with.
MOO.

Yeah I too am struggling with a pass here.
Its not just pretty skulls and cross bones like 99% off the tattooed population have.

We are talking about extreme violence and torturous deprivation.
Her father likes it too.
and.....Her father is a serial killer.... who did exactly those things depicted.

That is the problem. AND ITS A BIG ONE.

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

It was made out of clay

From a mold...
MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Suffolk County PD had let the cases of the Gilgo Beach and other women go cold. It was ongoing pressure from JR and other members of the public that finally resulted in bringing in a new leader to form a task force made up of other LE agencies in addition to Suffolk PD. After 13 years of delays, the case was solved in several weeks time when an officer found an old tip in the files that hadn't been investigated

Gilgo Beach Murders: How one man's tip helped crack the case

The man they were looking for was a towering, Frankenstein-like figure with an "empty gaze" who drove a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche, Schaller recalled telling investigators.

abc7ny.com

JR and the victims family members continued to raise a lot of "awareness" about these cold cases.

If you have the time, you might want to go back and read some of the old news articles about all the problems with the LE running the investigation into these murders. Some ended up being tried for crimes. IIRC, some are still in jail or prison.

Betty..... thanks, thanks for bringing this article from summer 2023 back up.
I remember how "sick" I felt reading about the corruption and missed clues, last year.

Rereading it now brings the same feelings. yuck.

 

[Vern]

Yeah I too am struggling with a pass here.
Its not just pretty skulls and cross bones like 99% off the tattooed population have.

We are talking about extreme violence and torturous deprivation.
Her father likes it too.
and.....Her father is a serial killer.... who did exactly those things depicted.

That is the problem. AND ITS A BIG ONE.

MOO

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JRs got a whole couple hundred thousand people he needs to start investigating ... STAT IMO.

Edit to add: and none of the images displayed in the presser accurately reflect any of her father's known crime scenes ... cannibalism? Necrophelia? None of those allegations have yet been levelled again RH. A photo from a TV series? IMO - not.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

I don't understand why waste time arguing defending or accusing VH...
how much time have I lost behind so many messages!
Anything that leads to new information is welcome here... so also yesterday's conference (I think he exaggerated yes, if I could tell him to do it again?..I would still say yes!)
the undeniable point here is that the family situation is not completely normal and going deeper into anything is all there is to do rather than waste time on sarcastic messages against those who don't think the same!
I would rather ask myself what triggered these tastes in VH...
Did VH see anything?
or did RH involve her not in the acts but in the material he created, perhaps even with VH unaware...
or perhaps levels of illness that took her to the Gilgo cemetery after...
I have many questions but certainly little time to be the judge but rather the investigator... something that many of you often forget!
Honestly, if I were a policeman, A and VH wouldn't tell me the right story, or at least they wouldn't tell me the whole story..

 

[Ruminations]

At his presser yesterday did Vess Mitev deny that the Tumblir account belonged to VH and that she didn't post/re-post any images and/or follow the blogs claimed by JR?

No. There were attacks against John Ray, but no denials of the information. lol, I think Mitiv threw the word defamation out. Out to the media, of course.

Because you bring that to a world of sworn depositions and judges and testimony, suddenly you have way too much truth for the Macedonia gang.

John Ray brought us very important depositions from the residents of Oak Beach. John Ray brought out the truth of the phone call to Mari Gilbert. John Ray brought us the 911 call.

Some people don't like transparency. Those people also don't like John Ray. That brings us back to your question. No, no substantial comments were made about the information. Of course not.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

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ETA: The presentation made by Dr. Brucato at the PC was also very helpful and informative. He lays out the possibilities of how RH's murderous activities (committed in his own home) could have transferred to his family, influencing their behavior. Obviously, more needs to be known about what happened there and how this affected his daughter and possibly other members of the family.

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

I'm reviewing the talk Dr. Brucato made about the possible impact of these crimes on RH's family. I think it has very important implications for understanding these horrible crimes.

 

[dotr]

If RH loved to regale people with gross stories about his hunting exploits (is he really talking about bears?!), then he might well be doing the same with his family ad nauseum.
If you grew up listening to that kind of banter (not the hunting itself, but delight in the aftermath) it might encourage and normalize an interest in such imagery, especially for the artistically inclined. imo, speculation, fwiw.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals''

''Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.''

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote.''

 

[Betty P]

If RH loved to regale people with gross stories about his hunting exploits (is he really talking about bears?!), then he might well be doing the same with his family ad nauseum.
If you grew up listening to that kind of banter (not the hunting itself, but delight in the aftermath) it might encourage and normalize an interest in such imagery, especially for the artistically inclined. imo, speculation, fwiw.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals''

''Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.''

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote.''

Yes, I can only imagine his conversations at the dinner table. Ugh. Year after year... As JR says, there really wasn't a "double life". In this case, and unlike other SK's, it seems his persona as a SK bled into his daily interactions.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

Se RH amasse intrattenere le persone con storie grossolane sulle sue imprese di caccia ( sta davvero parlando di orsi ?!), allora potrebbe benissimo fare lo stesso con la sua famiglia fino alla nausea.
Se fossi cresciuto ascoltando quel tipo di battute (non la caccia in sé, ma il piacere delle conseguenze) potrebbe incoraggiare e normalizzare l'interesse per tali immagini, soprattutto per le persone con inclinazioni artistiche. imo, speculazione, fwiw.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/25/gilgo...rt/']assassino di Gilgo Beach, Rex Heuermann,

si divertiva a raccontare ai suoi subalterni come perseguitava e macellava gli animali"

"Shell ha detto che i colleghi" hanno descritto come si è entusiasmato in particolare per le sue battute di caccia all'orso: adescare una zona e restare in agguato.''

"Più di una volta, ha descritto con gioia il processo di allestimento del gioco, sembrando divertirsi nel disgustare i suoi dipendenti", ha scritto Shell.''

...
and let's not forget how it was reported that RH had an intimidating tone towards his daughter...
only the family knows how RH behaved towards them...

 

[Forest_Wood]

If RH loved to regale people with gross stories about his hunting exploits (is he really talking about bears?!), then he might well be doing the same with his family ad nauseum.
If you grew up listening to that kind of banter (not the hunting itself, but delight in the aftermath) it might encourage and normalize an interest in such imagery, especially for the artistically inclined. imo, speculation, fwiw.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals''

''Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.''

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote.''

Yes, true!
Still, VH's apparent preferred artwork depicted humans, not bears.
Maybe RH had his torture victims dress up as bears.
MOO.