Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[KinseyFan]

I agree about the clues. For me, I can't help thinking about the lingering smells in that house. You know when you go away for a period of time and come home again; the first thing we notice is the smell of our environment. It smells like home!
For me, that would have been my first clue that something was off. The smell of blood or death from downstairs.The use of cleaning materials to clean up his play-time area. Getting them out of the house (dragging them upstairs? or maybe that door was used to the back yard to get them out of there). I cannot believe something, anything was never noticed to be out of place or unusual after any of her trips away. It defies logic imo.
MOO.

Good points. But they looked like hoarders. Maybe they lived in squalor too? With all the associated odours.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Or just enjoying watching a woman in pain.

It's entirely possible that he viewed some women in certain ways due to their profession . Maybe even blamed them for his own deviant urges and actions. I'm not suggesting that that is the case, but if it is , I can easily see how he might be kind to women he viewed as " good girls ".

(Sorry if the language here is offensive to anyone. I don't know how else to put it really. )

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wondering about this too, I still have a feeling that's his ex -wife but some are saying no. It will be extremely interesting either way, but I'd find it even more so if it's not the ex-wife.

We’re assuming Witness 3 was a partner of RH but it’s also possible this female hair was from a sister who had lived there who moved out a few months after the mother in 1993.
MOO

 

[willy wagtail]

I would really like to know what RH meant by MISS-LEADERS under the heading PROBLEMS in his notes. All the other items are self-explanatory or can be easily figured out what he meant, but this particular one I can't figure out. I can't even come up w/any possibles yet. I saw someone in an earlier thread thought they knew what it meant, and another poster even agreed w/them, but I didn't see how it could be right, bc of the fact that he had listed this under PROBLEMS. I've forgotten what the other poster thought it meant, but I remember thinking that couldn't be it, because that really didn't fit as a "problem" for RH. So I'd like someone with more creativity than I have to see if they can figure out what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Could it be a construction/architecture term? Was he ever in Mississippi? Did he mean the word 'mislead', like people who misled him, i.e. liars? Or things he wanted to keep in mind to more easily mislead others? (I think that's more what the other poster guessed he meant.)

Am I correct that he wrote these notes long after he'd killed his 1st victim allegedly? About 10 yrs after even? So he wasn't exactly a rookie at it, but he was obviously still working on improvements. It comes across to me as written after only say, 3 or 4, maybe 5 kills. But seems like there would have been many more in that many years, but maybe he was just slow starting, picking up speed (victims) later.

MISS-LEADERS... something he considered one of the many problems he might encounter, or already had encountered. I'm just drawing blanks. What could he have meant by that???

 

[Ruminations]

Okay, and the mother was already gone, and Witness 3 was already gone. Seeing it was sold in May of 1994. So they didn't even wait until he formally purchased it. Wonder what was going on with that.

Price History​

Date	Event	Price	Price/Sqft	Source
03/24/1998	Sold	$195,000	$147	Public Record
05/12/1994	Sold	$170,000	$128	Public Record

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/105-1st-Ave_Massapequa-Park_NY_11762_M45374-98206

Could be the refinancing to put the mortgage entirely in Asa's name and change the deed.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

Who bought the place on 3/24/98?

I've never seen anything about this sale, just that
RH bought it in 94'.

Could be refinancing of the property.

MOO

 

[Just K]

Who bought the place on 3/24/98?

I've never seen anything about this sale, just that
RH bought it in 94'.

I saw that for the first time, in almost a year, yesterday. I was confounded, too. Could that be a re-finance?
ETA: I see @Ruminations and I are once again on the same wavelength

 

[Just K]

Or just enjoying watching a woman in pain.

Practicing grooming, perhaps?

 

[Ruminations]

Or just enjoying watching a woman in pain.

Yuck! Hadn't thought of that, and...could be!

MOO

 

[snarast]

It's entirely possible that he viewed some women in certain ways due to their profession . Maybe even blamed them for his own deviant urges and actions. I'm not suggesting that that is the case, but if it is , I can easily see how he might be kind to women he viewed as " good girls ".

(Sorry if the language here is offensive to anyone. I don't know how else to put it really. )

This is the most interesting part. Can he feel empathy at all or does he just role-play? And if it’s the latter, does he even know what he’s doing - know that he switches?

 

[Izzylizzy]

IIRC I think AE and her kids were staying with her sister but shortly after the press found out she decided they should leave because she didn’t want the attention to disturb her elderly father, who lives with the sister full-time.

This is from July 18,2023,5 days after the arrest of RH.


"The sister-in-law of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann says she has not seen his wife and does not know where she is.

Dr. Johanna Ellerup, a pharmacist who lives just seven miles from the Long Island home Heuermann shared with his wife, Asa Ellerup, and their two children, told DailyMail.com on Tuesday: 'We have not heard from her, we don't have an address for her. We don't know anything.'

She added that her father is elderly 'and this is overwhelming' for him."

Serial killer suspect's sister-in-law says she hasn't seen his wife

Dr Johanna Ellerup, a pharmacist, told DailyMail.com on Tuesday she has not seen her sister, Asa Ellerup, since her husband pleaded not guilty to murder charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ruminations]

IIRC I think AE and her kids were staying with her sister but shortly after the press found out she decided they should leave because she didn’t want the attention to disturb her elderly father, who lives with the sister full-time.

I recall that the press was intrusively photographing Rex's father-in-law through a window.

I don't remember if the press found the family there or just figured it was a likely location.

I remember that the sister expressed relief that an arrest was made, said that she hadn't seen it coming, that she wished for normalcy for her niece and nephew. She didn't particularly wish for normalcy for her sister, IIRC, she just said she was going through a unique difficult time. It stuck out to me that she had different statements about her sister than about her nephew and niece.

Serial killer suspect's sister-in-law says she hasn't seen his wife

Dr Johanna Ellerup, a pharmacist, told DailyMail.com on Tuesday she has not seen her sister, Asa Ellerup, since her husband pleaded not guilty to murder charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sister-in-law of suspect in Gilgo Beach murders 'stunned' and in 'profound' disbelief

"This disbelief alone is profound and altering," said the sister-in-law of Rex Heuermann, who was charged last week in three murders.

www.nbcnews.com

MOO

 

[Just K]

It would be interesting if the press could somehow get interviews with both AE’s first husband and RH’s first wife. That could prove very informative.

 

[Just K]

If ER is witness #3- perhaps she will be summoned to testify re: the timeframe between the late 1980s- the early 1990s. I would hope that anyone who lived in that house during the 80s, 90s and 2000s will be questioned and called as a witness, if appropriate.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

This is from July 18,2023,5 days after the arrest of RH.


"The sister-in-law of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann says she has not seen his wife and does not know where she is.

Dr. Johanna Ellerup, a pharmacist who lives just seven miles from the Long Island home Heuermann shared with his wife, Asa Ellerup, and their two children, told DailyMail.com on Tuesday: 'We have not heard from her, we don't have an address for her. We don't know anything.'

She added that her father is elderly 'and this is overwhelming' for him."

Serial killer suspect's sister-in-law says she hasn't seen his wife

Dr Johanna Ellerup, a pharmacist, told DailyMail.com on Tuesday she has not seen her sister, Asa Ellerup, since her husband pleaded not guilty to murder charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I also read this as well:

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife still scared to go out in public despite support

REX Heuermann’s wife is still too scared to venture out in public, fearful for her safety and the prying eyes of curious neighbors and strangers more than a month after her husband’s ar…

www.the-sun.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

I summarized the misspellings:

Spelling issue (corrected spelling in parentheses):

Miss-leaders (misleaders)
Platic (plastic)
Lie (lye)
Scaner (scanner)
Durn can (burn can)
Ratched cargo strap (rachet cargo strap)
Dumster (dumpster)
Distroy (destroy)
Drop clothes (drop cloths)
Distroy (destroy)
Platic bas (plastic bags)
Trace evendice (trace evidence)
Tatoos (tattoos)
Tourture (torture)
Creats problems (creates problems)
Drop clothes (drop cloths)
Hevey rope (heavy rope)
Tightend (tightened)
Originanized vs disoriginanized (organized vs disorganized)
Subtitution (substitution)
Muiltition = Disoriginanizeded (mutilation = disorganized)

Wow! That's a lot of spelling errors, almost every word.
Reminds me of how a child would spell or someone with an accent or first language not English.
I keyed these words/phrases into my dictation app on my phone and the only spelling mistake that came back was lye (lie) understandably. All the rest were spelled correctly. An app wouldn't have done very well on the market if it got so many words wrong imo, and likely wouldn't have made it to market in the first place imo.

 

[Just K]

Wow! That's a lot of spelling errors, almost every word.
Reminds me of how a child would spell or someone with an accent or first language not English.
I keyed these words/phrases into my dictation app on my phone and the only spelling mistake that came back was lye (lie) understandably. All the rest were spelled correctly. An app wouldn't have done very well on the market if it got so many words wrong imo, and likely wouldn't have made it to market in the first place imo.

Thinking back to the early days of Microsoft, spellcheck was available on Word docs or Microsoft Word Perfect. He either didn’t care to use it or didn’t know about it.

Spell checker - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Forest_Wood]

One might assume losing this wrongful death lawsuit in Nov 1993 (same month and yr as Sandra Costilla's death) filed by CR could have been a upsetting factor for RH and his family, maybe??

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All these lawsuits related to CH from 1988 onwards makes me wonder who funded those attorney fees. Did CH come home to live with Mom upon his release in '90. I wonder if RH purchased the home, in part, so it wouldn't be lost to cover potential lawsuits.
MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Gilgo Suspect’s How-To Manual Reflects a Killer’s Mind, Prosecutors Say

Rex Heuermann assembled a document that prosecutors said was created to help him avoid detection. But it may be damning evidence, with one expert calling it a “blueprint for murder.”

www.nytimes.com

A comprehensive article about the planning document.

“This document is a killer. It’s better than a written or even videotaped confession because with those, any good lawyer on cross-examination can create issues of doubt,” said William Keahon, a Long Island defense lawyer and former chief of the homicide division in the Suffolk County district attorney’s office."
...
"Ms. Costilla’s death stands, for now, as the earliest killing that Mr. Heuermann has been charged with. Her 1993 death came shortly after his mother and a former companion of his moved out of the Massapequa Park house where he had lived his entire life."

One thing I wonder about is, how did he prevent the victims' hairs from being found in the house or transferred to other victim's bodies. Even though he had an apparent set-up with drop cloths and so on, he still needed to get them into his home through doors, and they were in his vehicles too. Someone mentioned they drove with him and his vehicle was littered with trash so it didn't seem he cleaned it.

MOO.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Siri wasn't invented until 2011. He wrote the document in 2002 or 2003 - I can't remember which.

Or using his big fingers on his Palm Pilot, or the tiny stylus pen. Could also, write on device w the stylus pen and it would convert/store as text … the Palm Pilot didn’t always convert your handwriting to text correctly but effective for note taking on a small device.
No idea if these bad spellings are related to his palm pilot notes, which he could sync w a laptop or pc.