Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Onlyguessing23]

They definitely saw him doing a few strange things. But it's also clear that they missed a lot. Judging by the bail doc for Maureen's murder and his Google search history, Heuermann continued to bring sex workers back to his home whenever his wife was away. I'd imagine that he was pretty prolific in that regard. And yet there doesn't seem to be any reports of him bringing back strange women. My guess is that he brought them back at a time when most people were asleep. Many of the nights appeared to be on weekdays.

It appears as though he was able to satiate his urges by hiring sex workers who advertised BDSM services.

All of this, plus the apparent absence of telltale smells, again raises the suspicion that he had access to some other basement/structure… old farm house or abandoned building… out in the woods somewhere, and never used his home’s basement. Rereading the HK documents with this in mind works.

 

[kdsmith21]

I saw John Ray question the alibi of the family, what date they actually checked into the hotel.
Rex notes in his calendar show "dinner with wife " July 18. His date book shows her July 20 in Vermont l.
Also in that same date book after she left for Vermont, it shows July 27 "Derek come to his house to cut some 6x6 posts on band saw"
These were probably posts for the torture table?

 

[james1962]

Maybe it was an Epstein like network and RH didn't write the note. Not saying he didn't kill them but his job was to tie up loose ends since he had the truck he would also be the recruiter of victims. I know it is far out there but wouldn't be the first time. Unlikely but not unheard of. jmo

 

[x_files]

Well, whenever LE informed family of evidence against RH, former Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison states, RH's wife said, "Okay, it is what it is." So there's some info that's public.

Gilgo Beach suspect's wife allegedly told cops: 'Ok, it is what it is'

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison recalled the moments after Rex Heuermann's arrest, including what he did -- and didn't -- say to police.

www.fox5ny.com

I find it a strange response, but what a normal response be besides crying?

 

[x_files]

I saw John Ray question the alibi of the family, what date they actually checked into the hotel.
Rex notes in his calendar show "dinner with wife " July 18. His date book shows her July 20 in Vermont l.
Also in that same date book after she left for Vermont, it shows July 27 "Derek come to his house to cut some 6x6 posts on band saw"
These were probably posts for the torture table?View attachment 511884

Has the LE mentioned who is Derek is yet?

 

[x_files]

Maybe it was an Epstein like network and RH didn't write the note. Not saying he didn't kill them but his job was to tie up loose ends since he had the truck he would also be the recruiter of victims. I know it is far out there but wouldn't be the first time. Unlikely but not unheard of. jmo

yep, anything is possible at this point. I'm keeping my mind wide open.

 

[Just K]

Since we have been discussing the possibility of RH being in the Orange County area of VA- off and on from 1994-2019 and the possibility of him being responsible for murders and disappearances in that area, it seems appropriate to mention the FBi announced that they solved the 1996 Shenandoah Natl Park murders. Here is an FBI notification that shows when this man was not incarcerated in Ohio. They say he was known to frequent and hike the SNP.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/walter-l-jackson-sr

 

[x_files]

RE: Victims going into the house.

I think people are overestimating the perceptiveness of neighbors. When is the last time you noticed a neighbor carrying groceries? Personally speaking, if I saw a woman walking into a house late at night, I wouldn't put too much pass on it. My first assumption would be that they are a friend or relative. The victims were all sex workers. Sex workers understand that they need to be discreet. They likely visited the homes of married men many times in the past. There have been many serial killers who murdered sex workers inside their homes, and in all of those cases, the victim willingly went back with them under the pretense that it was just an ordinary outcall. I think that performing the "takedown" outside of the residence is even riskier from his perspective.

It depends on how snoopy the neighbors are! One house is two stories and looks directly down into the yard.
But, if someone is discreet and quiet I doubt he'd attract any attention.

 

[x_files]

That was my first thought maybe he wasn't even after her just trying to keep people away from that area

I think she may have surprised him...I wish we had photos of the exact spots in the trail.
Was it secluded?

 

[x_files]

"That odor from the heat, from the crawl space," Albrecht reflected to WMAQ-TV. "Bob said right away, it smelled like a morgue!"

Gacy displayed a seemingly limitless ability to explain away things. When his second wife, Carole, whom he'd divorce in 1975, would complain about the smell emanating from beneath their home, he would chalk it up to a sewage issue, enlisting workers at his contracting company to spread hundreds of pounds of lyme in the crawl space in an effort to conceal the stench.

'Smelled Like A Morgue!' The Brazen (And Stupid) Way That John Wayne Gacy Got Caught | Oxygen

Serial killers aren't generally known for being modest. It takes a high degree of narcissism to live outside the scope of basic human decency and John Wayne Gacy was no exception. Throughout his adult life, he positioned himself as a pillar of the community and basked in his supposed political...

www.oxygen.com

ugh. his poor wife. I cannot even imagine. barf.

 

[james1962]

I think she may have surprised him...I wish we had photos of the exact spots in the trail.
Was it secluded?

I think she may have surprised him...I wish we had photos of the exact spots in the trail.
Was it secluded?

Brady Park | Massapequa Parks | The Massapequas notice park preserve

 

[kdsmith21]

Has the LE mentioned who is Derek is yet?

Nit that I'm aware of

 

[Catchinglisk]

Thanks, I just brushed the surface on the possibles. I am noticing a trend as to the ones I suspect him of being responsible for- there are a lot of mid to late Novembers and around holiday weekends.
ETA: Jamie was last heard from on July 22, 2005. She called her father and said she was at the Zport Authority.

Jamie Diane Seymour was last seen heading to port authority where a few victims disappeared from. Where is lisks other bodies

 

[Ruminations]

I saw John Ray question the alibi of the family, what date they actually checked into the hotel.
Rex notes in his calendar show "dinner with wife " July 18. His date book shows her July 20 in Vermont l.
Also in that same date book after she left for Vermont, it shows July 27 "Derek come to his house to cut some 6x6 posts on band saw"
These were probably posts for the torture table?View attachment 511884

Could be. Thanks for posting this.

I notice a few things. The spelling is similar to the blueprint spelling. I don't think his spelling is particularly relevant. He just has different standards for notes to himself.

Derek gets picked up at an airport early Wednesday morning, WIFE (aside: Objectify much? Her first name is shorter than 'WIFE,' and her initials are shorter still) leaves Sunday. Then Derek has 6x6 to cut on the next Sunday.

Rex says he make furniture. Maybe he just means crude tables for torture. Maybe he made that rather nice bench on the porch. But either way, I bet he can cut his own 6x6

Derek flew into town, according to this. He is close enough that Rex is his ride from the airport. Since the likely airports are in Queens and traffic is lighter in July, it could be Rex drove to work and stopped at the airport on the way. By the time Derek is cutting wood at Rex's house, Derek has been in town for a week and a half. Meanwhile, Rex's work schedule is lighter the week WIFE is out of town than the previous week.

MOO

Edited to add another point: Nobody that I know about has questioned these check in dates at smugglers notch. The rather credible questions are about the check in dates in Atlantic City around the time MBB disappeared and was murdered.

I do think it's weird that Rex noted both the name of the resort and the state. It's a place that if you know it,you know it, and "Vermont" is just redundant.

MOO

 

[kdsmith21]

Could be. Thanks for posting this.

I notice a few things. The spelling is similar to the blueprint spelling. I don't think his spelling is particularly relevant. He just has different standards for notes to himself.

Derek gets picked up at an airport early Wednesday morning, WIFE (aside: Objectify much? Her first name is shorter than 'WIFE,' and her initials are shorter still) leaves Sunday. Then Derek has 3x3 to cut on the next Sunday.

Rex says he make furniture. Maybe he just means crude tables for torture. Maybe he made that rather nice bench on the porch. But either way, I bet he can cut his own 3x3.

Derek flew into town, according to this. He is close enough that Rex is his ride from the airport. Since the likely airports are in Queens and traffic is lighter in July, it could be Rex drove to work and stopped at the airport on the way. By the time Derek is cutting wood at Rex's house, Derek has been in town for a week and a half. Meanwhile, Rex's work schedule is lighter the week WIFE is out of town than the previous week.

MOO

6x6 posts. Not 3x3. Which is pretty sturdy. Also needs a table because apparently this is when he abducted and killed Taylor. Bail application dates her murder as on or about July 21 to 26, 2003
I think it was Jessica's torture table legs being made.
Where did you see he picked up Derek at the airport? I missed that

 

[minazoe]

There was a report by someone who visited the area where SG's body was found and said that it was not the impossible feat to get in and out of there as was imagined , but that there were many ways in and out and there were flattened areas back there...so here I am thinking of like pathy in and outs where someone could get in and out ..so she didn't have to push her way through an entire swamp where no person ever walked. Did Rex corner her and cause her to run straight into his trap?

Can you envision Rex popping in and out and finally catching up to her? when she called police did she actually know it was Rex? was she afraid to say his name? did she not know his real name? was she afraid the cops wouldn't arrest him?

I just really think Rex murdered her..mOO. totally opinion only. mOO

 

[Ruminations]

6x6 posts. Not 3x3. Which is pretty sturdy. Also needs a table because apparently this is when he abducted and killed Taylor. Bail application dates her murder as on or about July 21 to 26, 2003
I think it was Jessica's torture table legs being made.
Where did you see he picked up Derek at the airport? I missed that

Thanks, I edited it. 6x6 is pretty big. Much too strong for a murder table. I also added that these were not the check in dates that have been questioned.

On the Wednesday of the previous week, the first thing on the agenda is "pick up Derek at airport 6:00."

Thinking about it, like mentioning Smugglers' Notch and Vermont seeming redundant, mentioning airport without specifying which one seems weird. There are small airports on LI, but most affordable flights will go to the biggies in Queens, LaGuardia or JFK. But "airport" can mean 2-3 places. If Derek is a person who routinely flies a certain route on a certain airline to a certain airport, it seems more natural to leave out the airport name and jot down the flight number and scheduled arrival time. If it's not routine, specifying the airport seems like a good idea to me, as well as airline and flight number. This is before smart phones. It was up to the person picking up to make sure the plane was really going to land on time if they didn't want to get stuck driving around an airport a rocks throw from the relatively recent 911 attack. There was no (still is no) tolerance for "standing" vehicles. And traffic is terrible.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Thanks, I edited it. 6x6 is pretty big. Much too strong for a murder table. I also added that these were not the check in dates that have been questioned.

On the Wednesday of the previous week, the first thing on the agenda is "pick up Derek at airport 6:00."

Thinking about it, like mentioning Smugglers' Notch and Vermont seeming redundant, mentioning airport without specifying which one seems weird. There are small airports on LI, but most affordable flights will go to the biggies in Queens, LaGuardia or JFK. But "airport" can mean 2-3 places. If Derek is a person who routinely flies a certain route on a certain airline to a certain airport, it seems more natural to leave out the airport name and jot down the flight number and scheduled arrival time. If it's not routine, specifying the airport seems like a good idea to me, as well as airline and flight number. This is before smart phones. It was up to the person picking up to make sure the plane was really going to land on time if they didn't want to get stuck driving around an airport a rocks throw from the relatively recent 911 attack. There was (still is not) tolerance for "standing" vehicles. And traffic is terrible.

MOO

A six by six is huge... That's like king post size. Holding up your house size. (My grandad used to build houses.)

 

[james1962]

A six by six is huge... That's like king post size. Holding up your house size. (My grandad used to build houses.)

Like holding up the front porch neighbors said it was falling apart

 

[Ruminations]

Like holding up the front porch neighbors said it was falling apart

This is November 2011. The Porch is now open, but not falling down.

Also these are not 1/2 foot wide pieces of wood supporting the roof in this recent picture.

They appear the thickness of the bench legs. The bench legs have the approximate width of the arms of the residents. (The human residents. Not that cute dog.)