Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[eishish]

I would really like to know what RH meant by MISS-LEADERS under the heading PROBLEMS in his notes. All the other items are self-explanatory or can be easily figured out what he meant, but this particular one I can't figure out. I can't even come up w/any possibles yet. I saw someone in an earlier thread thought they knew what it meant, and another poster even agreed w/them, but I didn't see how it could be right, bc of the fact that he had listed this under PROBLEMS. I've forgotten what the other poster thought it meant, but I remember thinking that couldn't be it, because that really didn't fit as a "problem" for RH. So I'd like someone with more creativity than I have to see if they can figure out what he meant by MISS-LEADERS. Could it be a construction/architecture term? Was he ever in Mississippi? Did he mean the word 'mislead', like people who misled him, i.e. liars? Or things he wanted to keep in mind to more easily mislead others? (I think that's more what the other poster guessed he meant.)

Am I correct that he wrote these notes long after he'd killed his 1st victim allegedly? About 10 yrs after even? So he wasn't exactly a rookie at it, but he was obviously still working on improvements. It comes across to me as written after only say, 3 or 4, maybe 5 kills. But seems like there would have been many more in that many years, but maybe he was just slow starting, picking up speed (victims) later.

MISS-LEADERS... something he considered one of the many problems he might encounter, or already had encountered. I'm just drawing blanks. What could he have meant by that???

A miss-leader cld be a strong woman, strong personality, definately wld be put under problems category. Or people in news leading in wrong direction...maybe leading rt to him. Did he harass any reporters, etc could be construed as a problem cld be a leader type personaloty in his circle that he wanted to miss or lose. So a few thoughts tgere

 

[iamshadow21]

Well, I'm confused, did you mean this to say RH is not heterosexual? There are murderers that have violent sex and kill of the same or opposite sex, but don't have the same urges with any/all sexes they engage with. To be clear, it is Ray that is always referring to the moral problems with "swappers/switchers/homosexuals" and it leading to what RH did. I didn't mean you thought anything was perverse.

I meant that he was not exclusively seeking women and girls, for whatever.

His searches online show that he was looking up male and gender diverse subjects, too.

How he personally identifies is a mystery.

But his searches suggest that for the purpose of fantasy, he was an omnivore. He wasn't restricted to young middle class college women with dark hair parted in the middle, for example.

MOO

 

[eishish]

The "Derek" notes specifically mention a "band saw." I've never seen one, so got some images and a video on how they're used.

Here's a current one. They come in many sizes:


Another, and interestingly enough, this one's description notes "woodchipper":
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Here's a video showing a woodcutter's bandsaw in operation:

These things are massive and evidently not that easy to operate. Is "Derek" this person's real name? Does "Derek" know Bittrolff? IS "Derek" Bittrolff??

Woodworking is a shared interest, carpenter, Architect, power tools. Ugh

 

[snooptroop88]

There's something with those wood chips. NYT refers to them as "wood shavings." Wood chips were found with the remains of Rita Tangredi (last seen Nov 1/2 1993, remains recovered Nov 2), Sandra Costilla (body recovered Nov 21), and Colleen McNamee (last seen January 5 1994, body recovered Jan 30). NYT: "At both murder scenes, the killer had left clues. The same item of clothing was missing from both areas, and their nude bodies were posed identically. Near the bodies were wood shavings. And both Ms. McNamee and Ms. Tangredi had been beaten so badly that brain tissue was exposed."

The Nov to January time frame coincides with duck hunting season in New York. Most of these dates also seem to coincide with waterfowl/duck hunting season for Long Island specifically (which can vary, the link below's current website info). Also would be open for turkey hunting, and I believe deer hunting/archery.

Waterfowl Season-Setting

Most migratory game bird seasons are set based on five hunting zones that have been approved by the U.S. Fish Wildlife Service.

dec.ny.gov

Among the many uses for wood chips/shavings would be fuel. If one has a cabin in the woods, one might use wood shavings in a compost system, and particularly a compost heating system. It's pretty cold in NY that time of year. I know someone mentioned on here (and I've seen this as well) that RH owned a duck hunting boat with someone else. I'm wondering now about a cabin, too (not registered in RH's name) and these were in some respect actual hunting (duck, turkey, deer?) trips. But not really, or not completely. These turned into a different type of "hunting" trip like we see in the HK doc. And perhaps it wasn't just the cabin, either, it might have had some underground space/root cellar type of area.

"Near the bodies were wood shavings." Some fabrics really, really hang on to those wood shavings. What if the bodies were wrapped in some kind of fabric that held on to those shavings, and when they removed the bodies, some of those shavings scattered around them? Or what if they'd stored the bodies out in the compost area until they moved them? Maybe they were concealed for a time in compost. I just have a feeling those wood chips are vitally important, MOO.

 

[eishish]

There's something with those wood chips. NYT refers to them as "wood shavings." Wood chips were found with the remains of Rita Tangredi (last seen Nov 1/2 1993, remains recovered Nov 2), Sandra Costilla (body recovered Nov 21), and Colleen McNamee (last seen January 5 1994, body recovered Jan 30). NYT: "At both murder scenes, the killer had left clues. The same item of clothing was missing from both areas, and their nude bodies were posed identically. Near the bodies were wood shavings. And both Ms. McNamee and Ms. Tangredi had been beaten so badly that brain tissue was exposed."

The Nov to January time frame coincides with duck hunting season in New York. Most of these dates also seem to coincide with waterfowl/duck hunting season for Long Island specifically (which can vary, the link below's current website info). Also would be open for turkey hunting, and I believe deer hunting/archery.

Waterfowl Season-Setting

Most migratory game bird seasons are set based on five hunting zones that have been approved by the U.S. Fish Wildlife Service.

dec.ny.gov

Among the many uses for wood chips/shavings would be fuel. If one has a cabin in the woods, one might use wood shavings in a compost system, and particularly a compost heating system. It's pretty cold in NY that time of year. I know someone mentioned on here (and I've seen this as well) that RH owned a duck hunting boat with someone else. I'm wondering now about a cabin, too (not registered in RH's name) and these were in some respect actual hunting (duck, turkey, deer?) trips. But not really, or not completely. These turned into a different type of "hunting" trip like we see in the HK doc. And perhaps it wasn't just the cabin, either, it might have had some underground space/root cellar type of area.

"Near the bodies were wood shavings." Some fabrics really, really hang on to those wood shavings. What if the bodies were wrapped in some kind of fabric that held on to those shavings, and when they removed the bodies, some of those shavings scattered around them? Or what if they'd stored the bodies out in the compost area until they moved them? Maybe they were concealed for a time in compost. I just have a feeling those wood chips are vitally important, MOO.

Omg, always thought wood chips were a miss-leader,(lol) ya know- to change mo...or just from all that woodworking. Nvr for a min did i think not involved and ducks and hunting and boat and open area to commit crimes!! Wonder if chips were tested for blood, dna, etc. Wow

 

[FromGermany1]

''And according to court papers, the team also documented three email accounts using fake names, including John Springfield, Thomas Hawk and Hunter1903a3, and all linked to those burner numbers. And prosecutors say that Heuermann was using a burner phone to send these selfies to "solicit and arrange for sexual activity."

Hunter1903a3:
1992 Muscle Cards II 63 Ford Galaxie #190 3a3

1992 Muscle Cards II 63 Ford Galaxie #190 3a3 | eBay

#190 63 Ford Galaxie. 1992 Muscle Cards II - [Base]. Search for more:1992 Muscle Cards II. Search for more:1992 Muscle Cards II - [Base]. We currently house 20 million cards, each listed for sale with front and back images of the actual card.

www.ebay.com

Is he a collector and a "hunter" for rare cards? (Like he was a "hunter" for his mannny weapons?)

 

[Ruminations]

(DBM-meant to reply to the comment below)

Karen Vergata is noted as missing on or about Feb 14 1996 (never reported missing- I am guessing that since this was the last known contact that date is used alot as last known contact) but there should be prison records of a release date later, that would be evidence of her last verified sighting. Her legs were found April 20, 1996. So was she released from prison sometime between Feb and April 20 obviously, but when???

In an interview , her father stated she called him collect from Prison on Feb 14, 1996. I have been trying to find prison or jail records to see when she was released. But do not have Ancestry etc... have not found anything else yet on NY government websites. For the Vergata affidavit to be accurate, Karen would have to of been released within days of Feb 14, 1996. The affiant thought it was Valentines day or just days after.
If anyone has better skills at finding when she was released, that would be helpful
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i feel like I have to point out:

Karen was reported missing but LE agencies were unwilling to take the report.

This happens sometimes, so whenever I hear, "_____ was never reported missing," I assume it to mean, "Missing persons reports were not accepted."

I feel like it must be so hurtful to loved ones when they hear that no one reported their relatives missing when the reality is they tried and were told it was the wrong thing to do for some reason.

MOO

 

[Just K]

By guy g

i feel like I have to point out:

Karen was reported missing but LE agencies were unwilling to take the report.

This happens sometimes, so whenever I hear, "_____ was never reported missing," I assume it to mean, "Missing persons reports were not accepted."

I feel like it must be so hurtful to loved ones when they hear that no one reported their relatives missing when the reality is they tried and were told it was the wrong thing to do for some reason.

MOO

By Guy g? Is this a typo?

 

[Ruminations]

The searches suggest he was looking for humiliation, violence, torture, pain, and death. The gender, age, and sexuality of the subjects doesn't seem to have mattered as much to him.

Being bi or pan isn't perverse, not at all, but searching pretty much exclusively for that violent tone of content is indicative of a very dark mindset and attitude surrounding sexuality. I doubt mainstream explicit material of any flavour would have done anything for him. RH wasn't interested in anything to do with consenting adults.

MOO

And curiosity is, well, curiosity. There are infinite things to be curious about. Curiosity is not disinterest.

Rex was looking into crimes captured on film without regard to gender ID.

It's the crimes that are the problem. Not the expansion beyond straight/cis crimes.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

By Guy g? Is this a typo?

I wish I knew how it got there or what it means.

I need to stay off this wonky site on my phone.

MOO

 

[Curious-A]

Well, to me, that makes no sense. I watched the video. I heard his former employee say he can spell, he wouldn't write anything like this, and it was a speech-to-text or other software that made it come out so bad.

No software (spellchecker, speech-to-text, speech recognition, etc.) is going to end up with this many spelling errors that are this bad! IMO. If you're talking out a text, and software is "typing" it out, if it doesn't recognize a word you have said, it won't output a non-word or a jumble of letters that aren't any real word. It will do its best and put a REAL word that is the closest it comes up with to what you said, and the real word will not be misspelled. It won't even use a phonetically-spelled non-word, but even if it did, that would mean RH THOROUGHLY MISPRONOUNCED the words we see that are misspelled. I do NOT think he pronounced disorganized as "disoriginizazized" or however he mangled that word! But even if he did pronounce it like that (impossible, imo) as I said, the software wouldn't take what he said and output a phonetically-spelled non-word that is its best representation of the word he said. In fact, if he said it like that, it would probably just put "disorganized". But he wasn't badly mispronouncing his words anyway imo, so that's moot.

It seems obvious to me that he was NOT using speech-to-text, as this former employee of his thinks. I see no way that that would produce a text that looks like this one, with all the misspellings and non-words that it has in it. I think if she thought about it, she would agree too. They just don't work like that, and they didn't even way back then. She was so sure of herself too that he could never have written this doc in this way that we're seeing it, so I think it's obvious she just didn't think that opinion through enough!

So I don't agree with her that it looks like such a mess due to him using speech recognition software or anything like that. I don't think, as she does, that it's the fault of ANY software at all. Because even if he was typing it in himself, not speaking it, and he misspelled it even that badly, spellcheck or autocorrect-type software would look for a REAL word that is closest to whatever he typed, and would either suggest that as a correction, or autocorrect it to a REAL correctly-spelled word. It may give the WRONG word, but it will be a correctly-spelled recognizable word, not a misspelled word. Not a non-word. And there are a lot of non-words in this document.

I think it's obvious that what that means is that he really was this bad of a speller, at least when writing something where spelling didn't matter! Something that either was unimportant or trivial, say like a shopping list, or something that only he would be reading, like (he hoped) this document. He might very well have known the correct spelling of the word "plastic" and "evidence", for example, but when he typed in "platic" and "evindice", he just left it because that was good enough. He knew what he meant. And so do we, in fact!

I think it just shows that at work, he used spellcheck and/or other editing software for documents that mattered, things people other than him would be reading. Or perhaps, he did manage without software help, by just taking his time, checking his work, correcting errors, and editing so that mistakes were minimal so that others would have no problem when reading it. And so that he looked professional. Which is all this lady in the video must have ever seen. Nothing she'd seen him do at work had these kinds of misspellings and so many of them! So that made her say he doesn't write like this, he can spell better than this, it must have been software making these errors. Which I think is dumb. No software will leave these errors unless you have turned it off! Or changed your settings so that it doesn't correct things, which would make the software useless. And certainly no speech-to-text software will take something you SAY and output something like "dumster" or "tourture" or "originanized"! Which is what she said had happened. That's why I said that was a dumb thing to say and that she must not have given that enough thought before she said it. I think he just made sure it looked right when it mattered, and that's all she ever saw. Until she saw this "kill planner" thing. Where the errors didn't matter. IMO.

Imo Could this document have been dictated to and typed by some else in the house? Perhaps someone who is complicit and/or a non native English speaker and/or someone who has a disability? Jmo

 

[Just K]

I wish I knew how it got there or what it means.

I need to stay off this wonky site on my phone.

MOO

I bet you were going to type, “By garage,” and I bet, letters dropped out. It’s happened on my phone and then autocorrect steps in.

 

[FromGermany1]

Imo Could this document have been dictated to and typed by some else in the house? Perhaps someone who is complicit and/or a non native English speaker and/or someone who has a disability? Jmo

bbm
This was my impression re the mistakes. But it doesn't make sense then.

 

[eishish]

By Guy g? Is this a typo?

Bye guy g as in name, bye as in dead?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I bet you were going to type, “By garage,” and I bet, letters dropped out. It’s happened on my phone and then autocorrect steps in.

I dont know what I would do without autocorrect on my phone....

My thumbs are either crooked, or fat.

 

[minazoe]

his blue print said to "DISPOSE OF PICS". But did he dispose of them all? Did he mess up and they might find some?
And also FILM. So, I am pretty sure at least some photos were printed? Maybe like a polaroid instant camera? You can't exactly take these photos to the drugstore and get them developed.
The RECON VID CAMS, wonder if this was referring to surveillance /security cameras catching him or his own video cameras?
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also he is talking about dumpsters and plastic bags..we are talking about things previously not attributed to Rex, are we not? mOO

 

[snooptroop88]

also he is talking about dumpsters and plastic bags..we are talking about things previously not attributed to Rex, are we not? mOO

And there are some victims I've seen when I looked before for RH time range that turned up in dumpsters, and now I'm going to go back in & see if I can locate that information again. And with the way they found Peaches in that tub, I've often wondered if he wasn't considering depositing that tub into a dumpster. He evidently "changes it up" and is highly adaptable. "But there's still a chance he used the dumpsters only to dispose of materials related to the crime.

One really creepy observation is that I don't see a lot of "changing up" on the size of the female victims, so far, they're always very petite. Rita Tangredi, Colleen McNamee, and Sandra Costilla were evidently all very small, per Newsday article (that I can't get fully into b/c of paywall): "The three women had certain similarities: all were around five feet tall, and no more than 125 pounds."

Gilgo Beach killings: Police expand search of human remains from Manorville to North Sea

A Suffolk Police K-9 unit arrived in the Southampton town hamlet with cadaver dogs, a source said.

www.newsday.com

There's no way RT, CM, and SC were all posed in such strikingly similar fashion without some extremely important tie-in/association, MOO. It looks like the same hand at work for all three victims in some way. So my guess (??) is LE's exploring that and already deep into it & we'll know more if/when they charge RH for Valerie Mack, where he's currently a suspect.

 

[Ruminations]

also he is talking about dumpsters and plastic bags..we are talking about things previously not attributed to Rex, are we not? mOO

I think it's fair to say that investigators are settling in on the one murderer theory, and moving away from Manorville butcher VS. Gilgo Beach 4.

It was huge when Rex was charged for Sandra. She had generally been considered a J Bittrolff victim. Sometimes, Bittrolff was considered to be the so- called Manorville butcher.

Bittfolff's appeal will be a most interesting appeal.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

I think it's fair to say that investigators are settling in on the one murderer theory, and moving away from Manorville butcher VS. Gilgo Beach 4.

It was huge when Rex was charged for Sandra. She had generally been considered a J Bittrolff victim. Sometimes, Bittrolff was considered to be the so- called Manorville butcher.

Bittfolff's appeal will be a most interesting appeal.

MOO

yeah..wow...you are right..phew..yes. mOO

 

[MoominMama222]

I suspected eating raw deer heart was a tradition for some hunters and I googled it and saw tons of hits--like yeah, this is a thing. Wrestling the pig and slitting it's throat sounds like something someone would do in a slaughter situation.