Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[james.coff]

i feel like I have to point out:

Karen was reported missing but LE agencies were unwilling to take the report.

This happens sometimes, so whenever I hear, "_____ was never reported missing," I assume it to mean, "Missing persons reports were not accepted."

I feel like it must be so hurtful to loved ones when they hear that no one reported their relatives missing when the reality is they tried and were told it was the wrong thing to do for some reason.

MOO

I read the same thing and her dad hired a private investigator named Jacquelyn Buda Moss who came up with nothing. Her family was DEF trying to find her and LE refused so many people to file a missing persons report in NY. Yet in MD, police took a report for Jessica Taylor from a pimp and SW, who then recognized the tattoo. Looks Like NY is a big part of the problem

 

[wcasewatch]

I can't see Rex and Bittrolff working together. How would they even start that conversation? "So... what are you into?" Bittrolff was a Manorville carpenter, while Rex was an office worker in Manhattan. Yes, they both enjoyed hunting, but that's an extremely popular past time on Long Island.

 

[wcasewatch]

An analysis of Rex's "planning document" (14:12 mins). There's a good chance that he deleted the doc HK-2002-04 after the news of Jessica Taylor's identification was published in Feb 2004.

 

[Izzylizzy]

On Karen Vergata's remains, I believe that's February and the cold water preserved the remains. Did RH actually go up to Fire Island or did the remains drift there? That's what I'm wondering. There was a fierce, fierce blizzard in NY that year, but it was in January. But Fire Island is supposed to be unbearably cold during the winter months. When the waters freeze over, they can't even operate the ferries. All these people that live there on Fire Island year-round stock up on supplies like "Life Below Zero." But I looked up NY weather for Feb and it doesn't at all look especially bad for that week in Feb 1996. (But it's usually worse on Fire Island, which is so open to the elements.) Mobility on the island for those who'd drive in is very, very limited. Still, I believe this is open and as far as I can see, accessible by vehicle:

Otis Pike Fire Island High Dune Wilderness​

Fire Island Wilderness - Fire Island National Seashore (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

Wilderness Visitor Center - Fire Island National Seashore (U.S. National Park Service)

Wilderness Visitor Center

www.nps.gov

Fire Island: Otis Pike Wilderness

Fire Island: Otis Pike Wilderness is an out-and-back trail that provides a good opportunity to view wildlife located near Mastic Beach, New York.

www.theoutbound.com

Who'd be out there in February other than an SK?? Maybe a few adventurers. Depending on how he concealed remains, would anyone even catch on?

This trail for the Otis Pike Wilderness is very near to Mastic Beach, where John Bittrolff grew up. He went to William Floyd High School, Mastic Beach. I'm really, really starting to think it perhaps wasn't just RH. Not sure on anything at this point, but finding this pretty interesting.

Manorville Man Arrested for ’90s Murders Suspected in 3rd Cold Case

John Bittrolff was charged with the murders of Rita Tangredi-Beinlich and Colleen McNamee.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[wcasewatch]

The two brothers who discovered Vergata's remains said that garbage is constantly floating across the bay. Heuermann seems to have preferred roadside drop-offs. The beach where Vergata was found didn't have immediate road access, so he probably tossed the bag over the bridge while travelling between Gilgo and LI.

 

[wcasewatch]

The two brothers who discovered Vergata's remains said that garbage is constantly floating across the bay. Heuermann seems to have preferred roadside drop-offs. The beach where Vergata was found didn't have immediate road access, so he probably tossed the bag over the bridge while travelling between Gilgo and LI.

See attached a map of the bridge in question.

Edit: Websleuths won't let me upload the image directly for some reason: https://oddstops.com/i/2022/04/14/20220414094917-bridge.webp

 

[snooptroop88]

I can't see Rex and Bittrolff working together. How would they even start that conversation? "So... what are you into?" Bittrolff was a Manorville carpenter, while Rex was an office worker in Manhattan. Yes, they both enjoyed hunting, but that's an extremely popular past time on Long Island.

Totally agreed on this, I find it difficult to picture as well. But RH was out at all his job sites busily working away. He enjoys cabinetmaking and woodwork, per himself. (JB's a carpenter.) RH loves guns, JB is a gun enthusiast. They're both hunters. They're both married in LI with wives and kids. They both make good money. RH frequented sex workers, so did JB. And if JB's conviction was not in error, they both murder sex workers and leave victims' remains-- staged almost identically-- in Manorville.

Again, I never look for collusion because I know it's almost impossible to prove. Here, where RH murdered one of three victims that were so unusually staged, I just think there has to be some association. There has to be, MOO. Maybe RH did stalk & frame JB, no doubt about it that's one possibility. But I'd still think the better possibility is they killed together. I think this is the more likely scenario because if these two started moving to such a level of intimacy of even discussing visits to sex workers, it probably went beyond the "frequenting sex workers" and moved into "killing them" too. Why do I think this? Because at least one of the people in this intimate conversation about sex workers was already murdering sex workers (probably RH). And that person would now be discussing sex worker visits with another party who will also coincidentally end up being convicted of murdering sex workers. So somewhere along the line, one person who already murders sex workers (I'm guessing RH) decided to "open up" to another person about visiting sex workers. I would think if he had the nerve to "open up" at all, he may have moved further into disclosures depending on the reception he received.

It could go either way. Weirdly in terms of the particulars of this situation, I'd say the odds might actually be better that they worked together rather than the stalking of JB. But again, I have no way of knowing, and it's pure speculation based on what's unfolded. If it's true, it still aligns with the "single killer" theory. But the "single killer" was actually a team.

 

[x_files]

RH could have used JB as a supplier for wood, he needed for his hobby or his hobby (woodworking or murdering). Maybe, RH knew JB because of that, and they talked about things (big talker, that RH is) and their main theme was "killing on LI" and what to think of it.
If JB's 2 proven victims were petite young girls, then it maybe just a coincidence, that RH's victims also were petite girls. Schoolgirls (likely preferred by the killers) would have been missed and searched for by their parents and families, so weren't smart to have them kidnapped. SWs with the optics like a schoolgirl (?) were the better alternative for these killers - and there were mannny of them to choose from, it seems.
If the victims were "stored" somewhere, the killers had to drive with them to and from the store-place to put them to their final destination. First a victim nearly alive or just murdered, later the same victim, no longer in intact condition. Wasn't that too much of a risk to have them in their car?

Vulnerable women with possible addiction histories are often not reported missing as quickly as a young school girl/teen which is true.
I'd look to see how man runaway teens that are missing during his reign of terror too.

 

[x_files]

Totally agreed on this, I find it difficult to picture as well. But RH was out at all his job sites busily working away. He enjoys cabinetmaking and woodwork, per himself. (JB's a carpenter.) RH loves guns, JB is a gun enthusiast. They're both hunters. They're both married in LI with wives and kids. They both make good money. RH frequented sex workers, so did JB. And if JB's conviction was not in error, they both murder sex workers and leave victims' remains-- staged almost identically-- in Manorville.

Again, I never look for collusion because I know it's almost impossible to prove. Here, where RH murdered one of three victims that were so unusually staged, I just think there has to be some association. There has to be, MOO. Maybe RH did stalk & frame JB, no doubt about it that's one possibility. But I'd still think the better possibility is they killed together. I think this is the more likely scenario because if these two started moving to such a level of intimacy of even discussing visits to sex workers, it probably went beyond the "frequenting sex workers" and moved into "killing them" too. Why do I think this? Because at least one of the people in this intimate conversation about sex workers was already murdering sex workers (probably RH). And that person would now be discussing sex worker visits with another party who will also coincidentally end up being convicted of murdering sex workers. So somewhere along the line, one person who already murders sex workers (I'm guessing RH) decided to "open up" to another person about visiting sex workers. I would think if he had the nerve to "open up" at all, he may have moved further into disclosures depending on the reception he received.

It could go either way. Weirdly in terms of the particulars of this situation, I'd say the odds might actually be better that they worked together rather than the stalking of JB. But again, I have no way of knowing, and it's pure speculation based on what's unfolded. If it's true, it still aligns with the "single killer" theory. But the "single killer" was actually a team.

I wonder if they met a local bar?

 

[x_files]

A remarkable amount of serial killers get caught by canny traffic/patrol cops. Not just in the US, either. Peter Sutcliffe was caught by them, too.

It's probably a combination of cop instinct, the driver acting shifty, and something just not being right. A smear of blood or 'burglar kit' or weapon in sight. The driver driving erratically or unsafely.

Some day I'm going to write a list of all the serial killers caught by traffic and patrol cops. There are some very infamous names who didn't get nabbed by rooms of profilers and task forces, they got caught by someone who pulled them over to write them a ticket.

MOO

Thank you to those traffic cops!
THANK YOU!

 

[snooptroop88]

I wonder if they met a local bar?

Yeppers, or gun club? Hunting trip? Party? Could Bittrolff have turned up at one of RH's job sites? They're close together in age, too.

 

[x_files]

Possibly. The same hand, the same twisted "vibe" runs through those three murders of SCostilla, CMcNamee, and RTangredi. But RH is charged on one and JB convicted of the other two. There has to be a tie-in somewhere. I mean like RH was stalking JB to frame him? And I mean, it's possible. But why stalk JB? RH would have to know JB's personal business to begin with to stalk him. If he knew JB's personal business, there's still some link/association between them.

RH was a very "hands on" type of guy in his architectural firm. He was out there with the construction crews "getting his hands dirty." JB was a carpenter.

So maybe. I'm one of the last you'll see looking for collusion on crimes of this magnitude, but at this point, even I'm wondering. And it frightens me to think about it because if you get two cooperating like that-- are they the only two? Or are there more?

I'd be shocked if they NEVER crossed paths because in some ways are EVIL TWINS/SOULMATES regarding their twisted hobbies.

 

[x_files]

Yeppers, or gun club? Hunting trip? Party? Could Bittrolff have turned up at one of RH's job sites? They're close together in age, too.

or sex swingers/kink club?

 

[eishish]

How many times are you actually stopped by LE? Don't you think that once you've killed a time or two, maybe sweated bullets the first several times you've transported a victim, you become as comfortable with it as driving to the local store?

The few times I've been stopped: Driver's License checkpoint, speeding, temporary tag, LE has never had me pop the trunk. Once in the dark, they had a flashlight and saw my two dogs in the back. He could not see the temporary tag in the back window, then apologized for stopping me. Another, we had a packed station wagon returning from vacation and were stopped in the mountains because of an intense manhunt.

The percentage of trips in which I even came under any scrutiny is so miniscule that someone like RH seeming like a good citizen with his story ready and a locked cover on his truck was safe. From reports, people with tail lights out or some other preventable cause for stop should not be carrying drugs or running stop signs or giving anyone cause to stop and search. But the ordinary citizen? The odds of ever being stopped are almost non-existent.

I think the first few times would be nerve-racking, but after that? No, perhaps just part of

Thank you to those traffic cops!
THANK YOU!

There are so many that have had their car/ stops incriminate them. Berkowitz, Dahmer, Keyes, Bundy, Kemper, Rex with the described vehicle by Schall.

 

[x_files]

Yeppers, or gun club? Hunting trip? Party? Could Bittrolff have turned up at one of RH's job sites? They're close together in age, too.

Maybe they were secret buddies or even lovers.

 

[dotr]

See attached a map of the bridge in question.

Edit: Websleuths won't let me upload the image directly for some reason: https://oddstops.com/i/2022/04/14/20220414094917-bridge.webp

 

[snooptroop88]

Maybe they were secret buddies or even lovers.

Even up to weeks ago, if someone had come up to me saying that JB had some kind of real, concrete link to RH, I'd have looked at them, rolled my eyes, and just gone back about my business. But after someone on here pointed out the identical staging of these three CSs, had no option but to agree there's something up with that. It is just way too weird, there's some explanation for it. RH is obviously a twisted perverse psychopath. Did he somehow "pick up on," get wind of Bittrolff's activities with sex workers and use them to his advantage? Or is JB in prison because he's another twisted psychopath and based on the facts at hand, probably actually in league with RH??

This RH... WOW. He's unbelievably perverse, disgusting, and cunning. To imagine he really and truly might have had company in his crimes would be even more shocking. It's unbelievable.

 

[fred&edna]

Yeppers, or gun club? Hunting trip? Party? Could Bittrolff have turned up at one of RH's job sites? They're close together in age, too.

There's that job site/construction possibility... again!! Strangely worrisome.

jmo

 

[Izzylizzy]

The two brothers who discovered Vergata's remains said that garbage is constantly floating across the bay. Heuermann seems to have preferred roadside drop-offs. The beach where Vergata was found didn't have immediate road access, so he probably tossed the bag over the bridge while travelling between Gilgo and LI.

Thank you, I wasn't aware of who found KV's partial remains.

"The bayside area between Davis Park and Blue Point Beach where Karen Vergata's remains are believed to have been found." / Jayne Robinson



"DAVIS PARK, NY —Danbury, Connecticut oral surgeon Andrew Ragona and his brother, Robert, were scouring a pristine patch of beach on Fire Island in hopes of finding some good driftwood to use in the repair of the deck of their Blue Point Beach home back in the spring of 1996.
They were about halfway down between Blue Point Beach and Davis Park on the bay side of the wilderness area, when they found a black plastic garbage bag washed up on the beach.
They could see that the bag had what they believed looked like a ham or a roast sticking out of it, Ragona said. It was clean cut, with no blood.

“My brother said, ‘What kind of meat do you think that is?’ I said, ‘I don't know,’” said Ragona, now 86.
He asked him to open up the other end of the bag, and Robert did so; using a stick, he started poking it and the bag tore open."

cont:

Doctor Who Found Karen Vergata's Remains On Fire Island Hopes 'They Have A Killer'

"It's an awful thing to know there is somebody around like that.": Andrew Ragona

patch.com

 

[dotr]

Maybe they were secret buddies or even lovers.

If R and B were each into BDSM culture, they might have had random encounters whether from a distance, or not at specialty clubs? speculation, imo.