Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[eishish]

Derek/Derrick? first appears on July 16 (Wed) in his notes, 6 am, pick up Derek/derrick? for airport. Jessica Taylor was last seen July 18-21(?)/Port Authority. Her torso was found in Manorville July 26. Derek/derrick next appears in notes Sunday July 27 (day after JT's torso found) "Derek/derrick at house to cut 6x6 post on band saw."

Either way, there's something kind of odd about it. Either Derek is indeed a person and he's an active presence in RH's "schedule" and life while wife's away and RH is murdering. OR derrick equipment was brought to "house" ("at house") to help with cutting a 6x6 post? Derricks don't cut. They might dig/drill or hoist, hang, and I know nothing about construction, but I don't see any sign of them cutting anything. That would be the "band saw." But if you're using derrick for the "airport" (work project at airport/MacArthur??), that derrick isn't going to be transportable down to the basement because it's huge. And band saws are also pretty heavy, so that band saw probably isn't coming up out of the basement. If the bandsaw's in the garage, I don't see how you're going to navigate a derrick so it can extend over the band saw to hoist or maneuver. This "band saw" Derek/derrick event took place on a Sunday, that's probably a day off, he's acknowledging "house." So... what exactly was he doing?? And next day, there's a "concrete pour" scheduled at "21 SW." (Oddly, this makes me think of SW" the way it's used here on this site to refer to "sex worker.")

He went to a great deal of trouble to delete HK, I doubt he thought it would ever see the light of day. But this document we're talking about is different, and this might be coded in some way. Maybe not, Maybe 21 SW is some job he's on at Southwest something or other street. Maybe he's working on an airport concourse and "SW" is for the airline. So maybe it's something genuinely work-related and "at house" is some job-related thing he worked on Sunday, no idea, but it looks very odd either way in terms of the way the dates with Derek/derrick are before and after the murder and recovery of JT's torso in Manorville.

No clue what to make of it if it's equipment, honestly. The thing with the band saw "at house," though, I cannot picture because band saws are generally super heavy. (And they make sawdust).

Was thinking 21 year old sex worker, hoisting, drilling, cement are nvr good visuals w a Rex type

 

[snarast]

Was thinking 21 year old sex worker, hoisting, drilling, cement are nvr good visuals w a Rex type

Exactly. Not good visuals at all.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Do you think that hunter email is a date 19/03/03?

Someone way upstream pointed out that the 1903a3 Springfield is a (collector’s) gun.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Was thinking 21 year old sex worker, hoisting, drilling, cement are nvr good visuals w a Rex type

Since others are possibly thinking the same thing: perhaps RH went to airport at 6 a.m. to dig a 6x6 hole (inside another hole to be poured with concrete? Prob. near a derrick. I'm questioning that he would use the initials SW for sex worker -- anyone missing with those initials? hid whatever he wanted hidden and covered his 6x6 with his dirt, knowing that the space would soon be filled with concrete? The ground would already have been excavated, so the new work would not be noticed when the workmen returned on Monday. Just searching for a possible scenario.

 

[Ruminations]

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So okay, I've seen KV's legs were recovered at Davis Park/Blue Point Beach (Fire Island), which are across the bay from Sayville, which one of John Ray's witnesses say is tied in with Rex. There's a ferry out to Fire Island from Sayville. Islandia's in the top left corner, where Colleen McNamee was last seen in early '94. Mastic Beach to the far right where JB grew up. Patchogue about in the center where Rita Tangredi was last seen hitchhiking in '93 (last seen east Patchogue, and her body was also recovered in east Patchogue). It's not labeled on this map, but Long Island MacArthur Airport is in Islip. This airport had commercial flights and had them in the 90s. Flew to Florida, Cleveland, many domestic destinations around the 2003 timeframe when Derek was going to the airport. There was a big expansion project for this airport with new concourses in 2004. Spota led an investigation of a corruption scandal saying the concourses hadn't been in accordance with fire and safety codes.

Engineer Allowed Violations of the Fire Code at MacArthur

Steven Rizzo of Islip Terrace, pleaded guilty to reckless endangerment, official misconduct and offering a false instrument for filing.

www.aviationpros.com

Would wonder if RH had any involvement in that project because it was a very big project. No idea, but if he had been, he probably wouldn't be listing it on his website because of the scandal.

Just noting on SCostilla, CMcNamee, and RTangredi, I am thinking the missing shoe was not made public early on in the investigation. All three were missing the left shoe. Unless that was made public very early on (with RTangredi), it's no coincidence because Sandra Costilla was found pretty shortly after Rita Tangredi, 11/21 and 11/2 respectively. That would give RH 19 days to put together a "copycat" murder. Definitely could still be the case, and this is originally what I thought it was, but 19 days isn't a lot of time, and if this thing about all the victims being staged similarly with the missing left shoe is true, and the missing shoe wasn't publicized early on, it would seem like there has to be some connection between JB and RH. And they're all incredibly petite, which matches up with RH. And then, there are the wood chips present at all three CSs.

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/the-gilgo-others-dismembered-body-found-20-years-ago-before-being-tied-to-gilgo-beach-serial-killer/#:~:text=All%20three%20victims%20had%20been,re%20not%20ruling%20out%20Heuermann.%E2%80%9D

Gilgo Beach killings: Police expand search of human remains from Manorville to North Sea

A Suffolk Police K-9 unit arrived in the Southampton town hamlet with cadaver dogs, a source said.

www.newsday.com

"All three victims had been posed in a sexual position and were missing their left shoe, officials said."

I think the DA withheld the missing clothing items for trial. (They were both missing panties and a left sneaker.) I *think* Sandra was found after the other two but murdered in between. Let me confirm this.

Sandra was found murdered in between the two Bittrolff victims. So any copying would be only copying Tangredi's murder, 18 days earlier. McNamee was found murdered two months after Costilla.

But if this was not known in press, I think there is anecdotal evidence that Rex acted like a cop. I could see him drinking at a bar with some detective who might drunkenly leak shoe info to him. "Yeah, the public doesn't even know...." Yet this seems less likely with the time frame.


MOO

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[eishish]

Since others are possibly thinking the same thing: perhaps RH went to airport at 6 a.m. to dig a 6x6 hole (inside another hole to be poured with concrete? Prob. near a derrick. I'm questioning that he would use the initials SW for sex worker -- anyone missing with those initials? hid whatever he wanted hidden and covered his 6x6 with his dirt, knowing that the space would soon be filled with concrete? The ground would already have been excavated, so the new work would not be noticed when the workmen returned on Monday. Just searching for a possible scenario.

Wld yhe

Someone way upstream pointed out that the 1903a3 Springfield is a (collector’s) gun.

Yes, his email was the gun type

 

[eishish]

Someone way upstream pointed out that the 1903a3 Springfield is a (collector’s) gun.

John springfield on tinder, a alias

 

[eishish]

Derek/Derrick? first appears on July 16 (Wed) in his notes, 6 am, pick up Derek/derrick? for airport. Jessica Taylor was last seen July 18-21(?)/Port Authority. Her torso was found in Manorville July 26. Derek/derrick next appears in notes Sunday July 27 (day after JT's torso found) "Derek/derrick at house to cut 6x6 post on band saw."

Either way, there's something kind of odd about it. Either Derek is indeed a person and he's an active presence in RH's "schedule" and life while wife's away and RH is murdering. OR derrick equipment was brought to "house" ("at house") to help with cutting a 6x6 post? Derricks don't cut. They might dig/drill or hoist, hang, and I know nothing about construction, but I don't see any sign of them cutting anything. That would be the "band saw." But if you're using derrick for the "airport" (work project at airport/MacArthur??), that derrick isn't going to be transportable down to the basement because it's huge. And band saws are also pretty heavy, so that band saw probably isn't coming up out of the basement. If the bandsaw's in the garage, I don't see how you're going to navigate a derrick so it can extend over the band saw to hoist or maneuver. This "band saw" Derek/derrick event took place on a Sunday, that's probably a day off, he's acknowledging "house." So... what exactly was he doing?? And next day, there's a "concrete pour" scheduled at "21 SW." (Oddly, this makes me think of SW" the way it's used here on this site to refer to "sex worker.")

He went to a great deal of trouble to delete HK, I doubt he thought it would ever see the light of day. But this document we're talking about is different, and this might be coded in some way. Maybe not, Maybe 21 SW is some job he's on at Southwest something or other street. Maybe he's working on an airport concourse and "SW" is for the airline. So maybe it's something genuinely work-related and "at house" is some job-related thing he worked on Sunday, no idea, but it looks very odd either way in terms of the way the dates with Derek/derrick are before and after the murder and recovery of JT's torso in Manorville.

No clue what to make of it if it's equipment, honestly. The thing with the band saw "at house," though, I cannot picture because band saws are generally super heavy. (And they make sawdust).

Pick up derek for airport, the airport construction job??..most certainly if a client: grounds must be checked. Cadaver dogs, radar, any means. Derek for airport, pickup. Wow. The 21sw cld be a ground marking. 21 southwest. So much to unravel

 

[eishish]

Pick up derek for airport, the airport construction job??..most certainly if a client: grounds must be checked. Cadaver dogs, radar, any means. Derek for airport, pickup. Wow. The 21sw cld be a ground marking. 21 southwest. So much to unravel

21 southwest is also a boat. Small in size

 

[SharD]

I think the DA withheld the missing clothing items for trial. (They were both missing panties and a left sneaker.) I *think* Sandra was found after the other two but murdered in between. Let me confirm this.

Sandra was found murdered in between the two Bittrolff victims. So any copying would be only copying Tangredi's murder, 18 days earlier. McNamee was found murdered two months after Costilla.

But if this was not known in press, I think there is anecdotal evidence that Rex acted like a cop. I could see him drinking at a bar with some detective who might drunkenly leak shoe info to him. "Yeah, the public doesn't even know...." Yet this seems less likely with the time frame.


MOO

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I assume that, if RH wanted to be a "copycat" killer, he wouldn't have gone for someone who killed just one person. He'd likely go for someone more infamous/feared, like Joel Rifkin.

This makes it more likely that he knew Bittrolff at the time. Perhaps through hunting or construction work; JB is a carpenter after all.

 

[TOMBISHOP]

Good morning everyone, I won't say anything new but I would also like to be able to say that I agree with some of you...
how full of coincidences this absurd enormous modern case has always been!
and here we are no less we have other coincidences which in my opinion speak a lot more than whisper and if I'm wrong I'll be the first to say it, but here the chances that RH and JB knew each other are really high and the more the days pass the more the rope tightens around to them...
my mind also immediately flies to that testimony of a SW who claims to have participated in a party with the ex-policeman JB... guys, when even introverted people find themselves with the same passions for sick people, you can be sure that they will become friends ... friends at least in "games", then at what level between one and the other we are not yet able to know...
but I think this case is really bigger than we think!
stay tuned because some good things will come out between now and the end of the year..
and I thank those people who have come up with interesting connections in the last few days!

 

[minazoe]

all I can think is he used the Derek to set the posts on the front of the house? something weird about these notes. mOO

 

[NyxNY]

A six by six is huge... That's like king post size. Holding up your house size. (My grandad used to build houses.)

Would be great to use as a "highpoint" beam though :/

 

[Megnut]

Derek. If it's his spelling, or word-to-text, and he intended "derrick" (credit to the sleuther upthread), what happened if we substitute "hoist"? An arm, pulleys, maybe same concept as a derrick but something he borrowed, bought, modified?

Using coded language makes little sense there as the rest is incriminating and I doubt he ever expected it to be read by anyone but himself, doesn't even seem coded to look like work product if anyone in his family stumbled upon it. Might have been shorthand for his own benefit though.

JMO

 

[snarast]

Derek. If it's his spelling, or word-to-text, and he intended "derrick" (credit to the sleuther upthread), what happened if we substitute "hoist"? An arm, pulleys, maybe same concept as a derrick but something he borrowed, bought, modified?

Using coded language makes little sense there as the rest is incriminating and I doubt he ever expected it to be read by anyone but himself, doesn't even seem coded to look like work product if anyone in his family stumbled upon it. Might have been shorthand for his own benefit though.

JMO

I’m surprised he wrote stuff like this on devices he allowed access to the internet. In fact, I’m surprised he wrote this on a device with network capability. Of course, I don’t know that for a fact - that he really subjected his ode to torture to this sloppy behavior. He had every reason to be careful, not to say downright meticulous when it comes to security.

So, I would not be surprised if he pseudocoded what he wrote. U never know.

 

[x_files]

RH had contact to sex workers and sex partners via his burner phones. I just read it on this thread (#673, last paragraph, copy not possible).
I assume, RH had contact to JB as well, IF he was one of his lovers. Maybe, JB also had a fake name (at least for his burner phone, which he certainly owned). Somewhere a connection between the two men would be findable, if it existed. MOO
Who knows, with how many likeminded perverts RH had contact. OMG!

I mean birds of a feather flock together? Maybe, traded pix, photos, and films of their crimes?

 

[x_files]

I think the DA withheld the missing clothing items for trial. (They were both missing panties and a left sneaker.) I *think* Sandra was found after the other two but murdered in between. Let me confirm this.

Sandra was found murdered in between the two Bittrolff victims. So any copying would be only copying Tangredi's murder, 18 days earlier. McNamee was found murdered two months after Costilla.

But if this was not known in press, I think there is anecdotal evidence that Rex acted like a cop. I could see him drinking at a bar with some detective who might drunkenly leak shoe info to him. "Yeah, the public doesn't even know...." Yet this seems less likely with the time frame.


MOO

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I am curious if RH was in an online DARK NET chat group and Bittrolff bragged about his killings? or even posted photos.

 

[x_files]

I assume that, if RH wanted to be a "copycat" killer, he wouldn't have gone for someone who killed just one person. He'd likely go for someone more infamous/feared, like Joel Rifkin.

This makes it more likely that he knew Bittrolff at the time. Perhaps through hunting or construction work; JB is a carpenter after all.

I'm on the same page as you. Otherwise, why copy an unknown local, why not copy one of the more infamous serial killers?

 

[sds71]

@MaryMurphyMedia

#New Sandra Costilla, killed in 1993, ID’d as potential #LISK victim BEFORE computer forensics found #Rex Heuermann’s alleged planning document for “kills.” Sandra positioned differently from Bittrolff victims; sadistic, sexual torture of Costilla obvious

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805632511919227002

 

[Teche]

Derek/Derrick? first appears on July 16 (Wed) in his notes, 6 am, pick up Derek/derrick? for airport. Jessica Taylor was last seen July 18-21(?)/Port Authority. Her torso was found in Manorville July 26. Derek/derrick next appears in notes Sunday July 27 (day after JT's torso found) "Derek/derrick at house to cut 6x6 post on band saw."

Either way, there's something kind of odd about it. Either Derek is indeed a person and he's an active presence in RH's "schedule" and life while wife's away and RH is murdering. OR derrick equipment was brought to "house" ("at house") to help with cutting a 6x6 post? Derricks don't cut. They might dig/drill or hoist, hang, and I know nothing about construction, but I don't see any sign of them cutting anything. That would be the "band saw." But if you're using derrick for the "airport" (work project at airport/MacArthur??), that derrick isn't going to be transportable down to the basement because it's huge. And band saws are also pretty heavy, so that band saw probably isn't coming up out of the basement. If the bandsaw's in the garage, I don't see how you're going to navigate a derrick so it can extend over the band saw to hoist or maneuver. This "band saw" Derek/derrick event took place on a Sunday, that's probably a day off, he's acknowledging "house." So... what exactly was he doing?? And next day, there's a "concrete pour" scheduled at "21 SW." (Oddly, this makes me think of SW" the way it's used here on this site to refer to "sex worker.")

He went to a great deal of trouble to delete HK, I doubt he thought it would ever see the light of day. But this document we're talking about is different, and this might be coded in some way. Maybe not, Maybe 21 SW is some job he's on at Southwest something or other street. Maybe he's working on an airport concourse and "SW" is for the airline. So maybe it's something genuinely work-related and "at house" is some job-related thing he worked on Sunday, no idea, but it looks very odd either way in terms of the way the dates with Derek/derrick are before and after the murder and recovery of JT's torso in Manorville.

No clue what to make of it if it's equipment, honestly. The thing with the band saw "at house," though, I cannot picture because band saws are generally super heavy. (And they make sawdust).

Why the heck does Rex need Derek to cut a beam/post? Rex supposedly built furniture. It must be a code.