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The list of victims suggests a Hispanic perp.

Sexually motivated serial killers generally kill what they are attracted to/what matters to them. Most of the victims are Hispanic.
Of the New Bedford killer? Most (not all) of the victims are white. Several have Portuguese surnames, but there's a huge Portuguese community in that part of Massachusetts. Here is a collection of their photos: The terrifying serial killer who killed at least nine women - and got away with it

I don't know if RH is a potential suspect or not, but he is charged with killing Sandra Costilla, who was not white, and if he is charged with Valerie Mack's murder, which looks likely, he very likely killed Peaches as well (due to her baby being very close to Valerie and the general circumstances). His notes and search history show an interest in women of color and potentially trans women or men of color as well. (Iirc, one of the sex workers he was communicating with at the time of his arrest who was included in the January bail application when he was charged with Maureen's murder was Black or Latina).

If all of the NBSK victims were women of color, that might point to someone different, but the demographics are not very different from his charged or suspected victims in New York. I don't think that he can be ruled out on that basis.

That said, until some kind of evidence comes out, I think it's probably more likely that another killer was the NBSK. Not impossible it was RH and it won't shock me if the killings are linked to him, but the timing, location and other details seem off for what we know so far. That said, there's a lot we don't know yet and won't until the trial, so who knows at this point?
 
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So I'm wondering if they think the same person who did New Bedford also murdered Veronica Wiederhold because for whatever reason, LE said they felt this person who killed VW wanted to turn himself in/confess. "Ossipo believes that relatively respectful way in which Wiederhold's remains were placed suggests her killer was remorseful and would confess if questioned" (Not really buying that, is dumping someone's naked body in a junkyard really respectful??) LE's reasoning behind why he would do so didn't seem convincing to me at the time. This is another murder around Valentine's Day, but 1988.

To me, if they were thinking VW's murder was connected to New Bedford, that would imply LE felt the person who wrote the letter in New Bedford was the actual murderer himself (which seems likely). But it looks like another suspect, too, was in the mix on VW Either way, it's interesting to me because it's another Valentine's Day murder.
The respectful way? In what universe is being laid out naked floating off the ground next to trash anything other than elaborate posing?
 
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April 1, 1989
"WESTPORT, Mass. -- Investigators pleaded for the author of an anonymous letter to come forward after his written instructions led to the discovery of the eighth victim of an apparent serial killer.

The body of a young woman was discovered Friday along Route 88 in Westport, nine months after Bristol County investigators first began finding the bodies of women from the New Bedford area dumped alongside the region's highways.

Bristol County District Attorney Ronald Pina said his office received an anonymous letter two weeks ago from a person who said he might have witnessed one of the killings and predicting a body would be found along Route 88.

'The person who sent the letter said they had information and had seen what they believed to be a person who may have been doing these killings,' Pina said. 'I don't know if that is accurate, but what they did say is if we found a body on (Route) 88 then that would confirm their story.'

'The letter was explicit,' Pina said.

'We have never had a body on Route 88 before in these cases,' he said. 'It sounded very good but it didn't fit. Now it fits, and the person said if it fit, they would come forward."

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Cannot wait for any, all news re the rt 88 18 vehicles wed, and thursday and the tent, etc. The number of victims could be staggering. Many states. Dont believe Sam Little numbers, but we will wait and see.
Obvi petite, prostitutes, drugs, bdsm are his interests. He runs the gamut of hetero, bi, trans. No specific orientation. His motivation is hunt, kill it appears. First wife Irish, 2nd Icelandic, possible victims come from all nationalities. As shown in the threads. Irish, Spanish, Asian, African am and on. Rex appears to have no specific type. For all we know Sugar Bear, over 6ft, presented as female and cld very well have died from a bullet from Rexs Glock. Certainly if connected a bullet wld be safest for someon SBs size.Not limiting the pool is the best bet imo. Awaiting any updates over here.
 
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Am I seeing things or does the bottom photo show the wooden frame with 2 pieces of white paper attached to it that don't appear on the top photo?
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  • #14,185
Of the New Bedford killer? Most (not all) of the victims are white. Several have Portuguese surnames, but there's a huge Portuguese community in that part of Massachusetts. Here is a collection of their photos: The terrifying serial killer who killed at least nine women - and got away with it

I don't know if RH is a potential suspect or not, but he is charged with killing Sandra Costilla, who was not white, and if he is charged with Valerie Mack's murder, which looks likely, he very likely killed Peaches as well (due to her baby being very close to Valerie and the general circumstances). His notes and search history show an interest in women of color and potentially trans women or men of color as well. (Iirc, one of the sex workers he was communicating with at the time of his arrest who was included in the January bail application when he was charged with Maureen's murder was Black or Latina).

If all of the NBSK victims were women of color, that might point to someone different, but the demographics are not very different from his charged or suspected victims in New York. I don't think that he can be ruled out on that basis.

That said, until some kind of evidence comes out, I think it's probably more likely that another killer was the NBSK. Not impossible it was RH and it won't shock me if the killings are linked to him, but the timing, location and other details seem off for what we know so far. That said, there's a lot we don't know yet and won't until the trial, so who knows at this point?
The idea that there's a 'colour line ' with serial killers sticking to their own race is pretty much debunked at this point, too. It came from the small sample size in the early days of profiling, from profilers only having a small amount of known serial killers to study. It seemed to be a thing based on those few, but in the years that followed they realised it was the exception, not the rule. There seemed to be a racial divide, but it was an illusion. Now we know that while some killers may have specific preferences for appearance and background - Bundy is an extreme example - most aren't as fastidious. Ridgway, Little, Sutcliffe, Dahmer, and many others like RH who targeted mostly (but far from exclusively) victims on the margins of society, what they looked for was availability. Will this person be missed, can I get them alone, can I get them into my car, can I get them into my house. That was more important, when it came down to it, than race or other cosmetic considerations.

MOO
 
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Andrea Cavallier reports 55 minutes ago​

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“For the Gilgo Beach cases, what they’re doing is getting DNA from the garbage. Once you take garbage to the curb, there’s no longer an expectation of privacy.”
And it’s nearly impossible to avoid leaving DNA behind.''

“On March 14, 2022, the name Rex was first mentioned,” Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said shortly after the July 2023 arrest. “A New York state investigator was able to identify him in a database and from that point on we used the power of the grand jury, over 300 subpoenas and search warrants, looking into this individual’s background to bring us to this day.”
 
  • #14,187
Would definitely agree the perp may be Hispanic, and might even go as far as could likely be Hispanic, but I don't really think the perp "has to be" Hispanic.

Many of the victims do not appear to be Hispanic. If it's an SK, he's not going to be asking if they're Hispanic. To my knowledge, at least some of the victims are not in reality Hispanic, either. But understood that this is something to consider, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is RH. But it might be, and that's something to consider, too.

Jeffery Dahmer for one chose Asian and black victims.
 
  • #14,188
I don't know what to think.

What is that thing?

Unless it comes apart, I don't think it could have been inside.

If it were outside, and it were torture apparatus, or consensual S&M apparatus, I would think the neighbors would have seen something.

It is very, very creepy to me, what with all the talk about hard points and 6x6's.

It looks partly sloppily constructed, with asymmetrical supports for the main vertical posts. And partly with some deluxe features, like the trim atop the posts.

MOO

Not if it was under a tent or disguised as a greenhouse.
 
  • #14,189
Not if it was under a tent or disguised as a greenhouse.
Now I think it was under the cover of the trees all along, at least in the leafy seasons.

I think a neighbor said he used a kids' swing set to turn hunted deer into venison.

This is gross-so scroll and roll......



I think the pictures that Izzy found, with an excavator digging beneath it, may have been digging up stained ground. Deer blood would be the official story, and partly true...

But my horrid theory only works in summer months with full leaf cover and victims already silenced completely.

If the bedroom behind the garage is the primary bedroom, the kids might never have a view to that corner of the yard.



MOO
 
  • #14,190
I found that weird apparatus in what was probably its original position...before LE broke up the back yard too much.

It is along the back edge of the yard...not pulled out like in the Macedonio pic or the excavator pics. See the photo in this NY Post piece.

I have forgotten what a nice looking vegetable garden there was.


MOO
 
  • #14,191
I found that weird apparatus in what was probably its original position...before LE broke up the back yard too much.

It is along the back edge of the yard...not pulled out like in the Macedonio pic or the excavator pics. See the photo in this NY Post piece.

I have forgotten what a nice looking vegetable garden there was.


MOO
So this ("after" in plain view)...

The home of Rex Heuermann

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)
Cancellieri also claimed Heuermann would burn his household garbage every few weeks -- which is illegal in Nassau County.
Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.
 
  • #14,192
So this ("after" in plain view)...

The home of Rex Heuermann

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)
Cancellieri also claimed Heuermann would burn his household garbage every few weeks -- which is illegal in Nassau County.
Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.
Large!, is that 6x6s, and the post finials to set it off. To build something that size a machine, derrick? Or at least more hands. He must be good with strong ropes or some pulley system. Either this has been id'd or missed ..great pics btw
 
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Large!, is that 6x6s, and the post finials to set it off. To build something that size a machine, derrick? Or at least more hands. He must be good with strong ropes or some pulley system. Either this has been id'd or missed ..great pics btw
I'd never have seen that, @Ruminations found it.
 
  • #14,194
So this ("after" in plain view)...

The home of Rex Heuermann

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)
Cancellieri also claimed Heuermann would burn his household garbage every few weeks -- which is illegal in Nassau County.
Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.
So the roof line looks like some damage or alterations done at front
So this ("after" in plain view)...

The home of Rex Heuermann

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)
Cancellieri also claimed Heuermann would burn his household garbage every few weeks -- which is illegal in Nassau County.
Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.
 

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So this ("after" in plain view)...

The home of Rex Heuermann

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)
Cancellieri also claimed Heuermann would burn his household garbage every few weeks -- which is illegal in Nassau County.
Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.
Builders use those wooden things for something. I've seen many of them..
 
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Actually, I've come to a conclusion on this issue (RH's meaning of MISS-LEADERS) that I feel very sure of! And I thought about this a lot. I now think that the meaning is evident when considered in context of the other items he listed around it. MISS-LEADERS shows up when he's talking about things that could become problems (or maybe DID already) when LE makes a connection to something he used or left behind, or the WAY that he did something (his M.O.), that could possibly lead the investigation in his direction or cause LE to see that the murders are linked to the same killer. Like shoe prints or tire tread patterns. Or consistent patterns in modus operandi (M.O.)

So while thinking of these things (problems) that could lead them in his direction, he adds in the item "MISS-LEADERS?", because he realizes that he might be able to purposefully leave behind certain things, or deliberately do certain things differently, to try to divert attention away from him and lead them to look in another direction AWAY from him. Like maybe leaving something like metal shavings behind (if that's not something he normally would ever have any reason to leave behind.) So now they're going to think they need to look at metalworkers or whatever else that "clue" might point to. Maybe purposefully adding in some shoeprints by the body that are smaller than his own shoe size. Maybe if he mutilated a body in a way he never did before, or "packaged" it differently... anything that would help to MISS-LEAD (mislead) authorities into thinking anything other than what might lead them to him, or to link the murders as having been done by the same person.

He knows what "leads" are, and that they're something good to detectives, but bad for him. So I think he came up with the idea of the opposite of leads, which would be bad for them but good for him. Misleads! Or as he called them, MISS-LEADERS.

So I believe that by MISS-LEADERS, he meant anything that would mislead those trying to solve a crime he committed. Things he could come up with that would help him by diverting attention away from him, and also that could offset some of the negatives created by the things he listed as PROBLEMS. So let's say, if he was unable to avoid leaving tire tracks near where he left the body, it could help to offset that problem, if he could somehow leave more tire tracks that looked different from his tires in the same area (don't know how he'd be able to do that, so probably bad example!) But hopefully you get the idea. (I obviously wouldn't make a good SK because that was the only other example I could think of!) But I feel there would be many other ways if he gave that some thought.

And I think that's what he thought too when he wrote that on his list. And I think it's followed by a question mark, because this was something that he may have only just thought of when making the list, or something that still needed fleshed out (bad choice of words, ugh). So something he still had to think about before doing. Something that he thought of that would probably be helpful, but he still needed to study on more before he knew whether it was a good idea or not.

It seems like it came into his mind as he listed all these things that were potential problems and might get him caught... UNLESS... unless there were things he could do to MISLEAD them on to a different investigative path, leading anywhere but to him. And he obviously thinks he's this super-genius, smarter than all LE anyway, and he may have started thinking he could basically tell them what or how to think, just by purposefully leaving them clues that were really anti- clues! So that he could claw back some of that control that he always felt he had to have in any situation IMO. Committing such barbaric and wild, crazy acts had to necessarily involve giving up some control over the situation, since things never go exactly as planned or the way he'd like them to, since his prey was HUMANS, known to be unpredictable, to put it mildly. Identifying and employing some clever (to him) misleading items or actions, etc. could give him back some of that lost control, allowing him to steer the investigation away from himself

I don't know if I've managed to explain this very well, but I will add that I think it's a very good idea for someone in his position to use, if he thinks about it enough and comes up with some ideas of things that would be good misleaders. It would certainly add confusion, which would make it less easy to solve, and it might even get someone else blamed for crimes he did! If he did it right. Which would be a terrible thing, for everyone, except of course, for him. For him, that'd be the best thing. Anyway, I'm no good at explaining things, but I thought I had to try anyway. I really do think this is what he meant.
I agree with this assessment
 
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Unless the slayings were the reason for his trips. I recall in his notes on HK document a reminder to not charge gas - made me think he was planning trips rather than just local.
Another really good one.
 
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I agree with this assessment
Mo is the email name sandbagger means miss- leaders. Liars, people who are dishonest. As he made a email and put it under the blue print heading: problems, that was my assesment- a bdsm agreer/sw that gets to scene and suddendly needs a harder hit to face or neck for immediate control of the situatuon. I had written the same assesment as you til knowing definition of sandbagger= missleaders. It cld also mean to me being so tripped up as to a trans' appearance and wanting to make women sw " pay" with their lives, this could cause him countless headaches. It obviously really was important to him placing in a column and also naming a email account. We will know soon
 
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Mo is the email name sandbagger means miss- leaders. Liars, people who are dishonest. As he made a email and put it under the blue print heading: problems, that was my assesment- a bdsm agreer/sw that gets to scene and suddendly needs a harder hit to face or neck for immediate control of the situatuon. I had written the same assesment as you til knowing definition of sandbagger= missleaders. It cld also mean to me being so tripped up as to a trans' appearance and wanting to make women sw " pay" with their lives, this could cause him countless headaches. It obviously really was important to him placing in a column and also naming a email account. We will know soon
Do we know the year the different emails were created?
 

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