Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Warwick7]

Attorneys for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann have asked the judge presiding in his case to exclude expert testimony related to nuclear DNA results obtained from rootless hairs found at six crime scenes, arguing the scientific technique used by a California laboratory working with Suffolk investigators has not been generally accepted as reliable in the scientific community.

The motion filed Tuesday is the first step in establishing a hearing this winter to determine if the DNA profile obtained by Astrea Forensics linking the Massapequa Park architect to the alleged killings will be admissible at trial…

Coysh said the only peer review the defense could identify regarding Astrea’s methods "challenges the validity of Dr. Green’s findings."

Gilgo Beach killings: Attorneys for accused serial killer Rex Heuermann seek to exclude expert nuclear DNA testimony related to hairs found at crime scenes

The motion is the first step in establishing a hearing this winter to determine if the DNA profile linking the Massapequa Park architect to the alleged killings will be admissible at trial.

www.newsday.com

Attorneys for RH have asked the judge presiding in his case to exclude expert testimony related to nuclear DNA results obtained from rootless hairs found at six crime scenes....

Bet they do.....

 

[dotr]

Regarding rootless hair, fwiw..
2024

A look at the new DNA technology that uncovered key evidence in the Morgan Nick case

Othram Labs, a forensic laboratory based near Houston, Texas, used advanced DNA analysis to examine a hair sample found in a vehicle formerly owned by Billy Jack Lincks, a suspect in the case.

www.4029tv.com

2022

Possible pubic hair and new DNA sequencing used to find Anne Pham's alleged killer 40 years later

SEASIDE, Calif. (KION-TV)- A single hair, believed to be a pubic hair, and a game-changing way to sequence DNA was used to find Anne Pham's alleged killer after 40 years of unanswered questions. Parabon, the company in charge of finding a genetic match for the hair, said it was assumed only...

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"This case is notable because this is the first case that led to an arrest," CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist that worked on the Anne Pham case, said. "The other rootless hair identifications, the perpetrator was already dead or in jail. So this is really a groundbreaking case, and it will be likely setting a precedent in court because this is the first time this technique will have been used for prosecution."

Moore elaborated that while the rootless hair alone is not admissible in court, it does help point investigators in the right direction to make an arrest''

Author(s) Richard E. Green Date Published 2024

Nuclear DNA from Rootless Hair for Forensic Purposes

This document briefly reports on a project that aimed to determine the forensic suitability and limitations of DNA from rootless hair; it summarizes the research methodology, including sample collection and analysis, and outcomes; and reports the resultant technology’s commercialization and...

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''This project summary document provides a brief description of a research project that aimed to determine the suitability and limitations of DNA from rootless hair for forensic purposes.''

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The motion filed Tuesday is the first step in establishing a hearing this winter to determine if the DNA profile obtained by Astrea Forensics linking the Massapequa Park architect to the alleged killings will be admissible at trial.

"If we we're not confident in the efficacy and the admissibility of that evidence, we would not have used it," Tierney said.

Depending on the amount of evidence challenged during the pretrial hearings, Heuermann's murder trial could start later this year or early 2026. He is due back in court on Jan. 15.

When asked if Heuermann is a suspect in the remaining Gilgo Beach cold case murders, Tierney said not right now.

"We don't make any assumptions, we just continue to work the evidence and see where that evidence leads," Tierney said.

Rex Heuermann's attorneys ask judge to exclude some DNA testimony from Gilgo Beach trial

Rex Heuermann's attorneys say DNA results from hair found in six of the crime scenes should be excluded from the trial.

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[FromGermany1]

this is for real and a fact. and I thought it was very possible in the SG situation . that people were playing a game with her ...I totally believe RH murdered her and that other people were involved in some way as part of a group booking that she was called over there for... I think RH knew where she was...somehow, someway..maybe he hooked it up and I can see him being associated with Hackett...somehow this all makes sense in my mind. mOO

Architect RH (with his ego) certainly was interested sometime in connecting with people of his own standard, who had privat meetings, alcohol and drug fuelled, without presence of their own wives. I can imagine, he at least tried to connect with other men on LI.
MOO

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

That is way above my pay grade - I’m just stating the rather bleeding obvious regarding open source methods. One would certainly hope this is occurring already. But data governance can - allegedly - be a bit choppy at times. Could be ripe for a Gordian knot solution - but the question is if it’s good enough. There could be unexpected fallout I’m too ignorant to predict.

IMHO

So true. At these agencies, sometimes files, and passwords go missing. I do think that the rootless DNA as evidentiary support will open up so many more avenues for cold cases. The only issue I see with this, or having this be somewhat of a "slippery slope", would be in the future, if criminals are wearing human hair wigs (a lot of people do nowadays). I think his legal team has to tread lightly with this.

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

Architect RH (with his ego) certainly was interested sometime in connecting with people of his own standard, who had privat meetings, alcohol and drug fuelled, without presence of their own wives. I can imagine, he at least tried to connect with other men on LI.
MOO

THIS!!!! Like we are learning from DIDDY, the victoria's secret ceo, Richard nygard, is that they all have connections to a lot of important people. I really believe that these were similar to freak offs, but with old money and politicians. I will bet any amount of money ( before you ask, I have none) that Joseph Brewer knows everything. They held parties at his house, and he was a known person in the community of Oak Bluffs. It's a small gated community. It still surprises me because the other half loves keeping secrets, and bragging about the things they do equally. I know they cleaned house of the suffolk police department from that time, but I do think that it may be worth circling back around to some older LT's or the red head guy that used to be the chief of police. ( his name is escaping me, but I know he looks like that comedian Louis C.K.)

 

[Mr.Dandy]

This !!! Finding a link like the pimp may be what helps make this clearer. Could it be that there was a falling out with the Pimp ( and the girls) and being desperate for work aka $ led them to RH? It might make sense given that RH has familiarity with the PIMP; and maybe the pimp is following the code of the street? I know RH is a major nerd but cocaine and pink cocaine are like the A0#1 party favors for johns and escorts. In manhattan, especially downtown, it might be easier to find cocaine than coca- cola, especially in hells kitchen and the financial district.
I feel like sometimes when I am re reading the posts, and evidence, as a killer he seems like the perfect hybrid of an organized/disorganized killer. I'm so intrigued by this guy.

I’m intrigued by him too….
Sorry… been on hiatus for a while… these fires have me fixated… I shall return.

 

[CuriousCricket]

THIS!!!! Like we are learning from DIDDY, the victoria's secret ceo, Richard nygard, is that they all have connections to a lot of important people. I really believe that these were similar to freak offs, but with old money and politicians. I will bet any amount of money ( before you ask, I have none) that Joseph Brewer knows everything. They held parties at his house, and he was a known person in the community of Oak Bluffs. It's a small gated community. It still surprises me because the other half loves keeping secrets, and bragging about the things they do equally. I know they cleaned house of the suffolk police department from that time, but I do think that it may be worth circling back around to some older LT's or the red head guy that used to be the chief of police. ( his name is escaping me, but I know he looks like that comedian Louis C.K.)

Well, we do know that Alan Placa, a school friend of Rudy Guiliani, former mayor of NYC and still a player on the national scene, was a neighbor of Joseph Brewster.
"Brewer – who lives next-door to a home owned by Msgr. Alan Placa, a Rudy Giuliani pal cleared last year of sex-abuse allegations – came under police scrutiny in May after he arranged a hookup with Gilbert, 24, through craigslist."

Cops storm house of Joseph Brewer as families of missing women mourn their disappearances

Cops raided the Long Island home last night where a missing hooker was last seen, 3 miles from the sand dunes where the bodies of four women have been found. Investigators – who met with the FBI Wednesday – descended on the Oak…

www.nydailynews.com

We also know that Rudy Giuliani went to the Heuermann home shortly after RH was arrested: "Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani showed up at the Long Island residence of the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Saturday -- driving up and asking an officer how close he could get to the home."

Rudy Giuliani chats with cops outside of Gilgo Beach murder suspect’s home as neighbors hold block party

When it happened, I thought Giuliani was just an old man with a new TV show grabbing photo ops anywhere he could. Since then, I must confess, I have wondered if the visit had a more sinister reason. As in, powerful people were still watching. I don't know if the ties mean something or nothing.

 

[minazoe]

very interesting..all these weird connections..mOO

 

[sds71]

Grant Parpan

@GrantParpan


Wednesday's conference in the case of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann has been adjourned to Jan. 29 to allow time for prosecutors to answer a defense motion to exclude DNA evidence, the Suffolk County District Attorney's office said

 

[Keekdasneak1314]

Well, we do know that Alan Placa, a school friend of Rudy Guiliani, former mayor of NYC and still a player on the national scene, was a neighbor of Joseph Brewster.
"Brewer – who lives next-door to a home owned by Msgr. Alan Placa, a Rudy Giuliani pal cleared last year of sex-abuse allegations – came under police scrutiny in May after he arranged a hookup with Gilbert, 24, through craigslist."

Cops storm house of Joseph Brewer as families of missing women mourn their disappearances

Cops raided the Long Island home last night where a missing hooker was last seen, 3 miles from the sand dunes where the bodies of four women have been found. Investigators – who met with the FBI Wednesday – descended on the Oak…

www.nydailynews.com

We also know that Rudy Giuliani went to the Heuermann home shortly after RH was arrested: "Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani showed up at the Long Island residence of the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Saturday -- driving up and asking an officer how close he could get to the home."

Rudy Giuliani chats with cops outside of Gilgo Beach murder suspect’s home as neighbors hold block party

When it happened, I thought Giuliani was just an old man with a new TV show grabbing photo ops anywhere he could. Since then, I must confess, I have wondered if the visit had a more sinister reason. As in, powerful people were still watching. I don't know if the ties mean something or nothing.

Its the creeping near Rex's home after the arrest for me. Was he trying to see if he could get his story straight? My gut is telling me they all know. I think Guilliani knows the DNA and the IT evidence are damning, and he's already got enough issues. I know he's still trying to hold onto that 2001 Yankees World series ring . LOL. Idk I also think clearing Joseph Brewer preemptively was a mistake. The old suffolk police chief and the DA smoothed that over. I wish all this stuff could come out!!!!

 

[ShastaDaisy]

So, I retained this from the new doc. Valerie was bound like one of his torture films. Similar trash bags were used. I had this thought. You know how when you pull a trash bag off the roll, that static that was created might attract hairs? Maybe that’s where the hair evidence came from. He cleaned the bodies, but he didn’t think about that bags being lint magnets…. At least for Jessica and Valerie. Just a thought… not a fact.
Let’s see.. she had breast mutilation…. Hairs from his wife and child(from both dump sites). Similar saw blade was used… a couple of calls to plumbers. … what else is new? Did I miss anything?

Incredibly grim

 

[Justice101]

Incredibly grim

Plus his house was reportedly not well kept. I would suspect the basement where he "worked" would have been even worse. Hairs everywhere

 

[ShastaDaisy]

Plus his house was reportedly not well kept. I would suspect the basement where he "worked" would have been even worse. Hairs everywhere

I can't believe anyone would live there willingly but IMO I get the sense that his family is in complete denial even after their house was torn apart. The bright side is it sounds like there was alot of evidence there. It will be interesting to see if they show pictures of the inside during the trial. Before it's all over I expect RH will be charged in several more cases and probably on cases we've been unaware of. It's JMO but there's no way that he had no victims between 2010-2023, there are pictures of him adding minutes to burner phones in the year before he was arrested so I am assuming he was still an active serial killer.

 

[bricker]

Its the creeping near Rex's home after the arrest for me. Was he trying to see if he could get his story straight? My gut is telling me they all know. I think Guilliani knows the DNA and the IT evidence are damning, and he's already got enough issues. I know he's still trying to hold onto that 2001 Yankees World series ring . LOL. Idk I also think clearing Joseph Brewer preemptively was a mistake. The old suffolk police chief and the DA smoothed that over. I wish all this stuff could come out!!!!

I dislike Guilliani as much as the next (sensible) person, but suggesting he might somehow be involved in the Gilgo case? C'mon guys. These sex ring stories are just an evolved version of the Satanic panic that we saw in 1980s. These types of killers are almost always lone predators. And there's a very good reason for that. To "join forces" with others, he would have needed to expose himself by opening up about deviant sexual fantasies that most people would find abhorrent and disgusting.

 

[snarast]

I dislike Guilliani as much as the next (sensible) person, but suggesting he might somehow be involved in the Gilgo case? C'mon guys. These sex ring stories are just an evolved version of the Satanic panic that we saw in 1980s. These types of killers are almost always lone predators. And there's a very good reason for that. To "join forces" with others, he would have needed to expose himself by opening up about deviant sexual fantasies that most people would find abhorrent and disgusting.

Unfortunately, the existence of these rings is hard to refute. I wish they didn’t exist. In fact, I’d give anything to obliterate them.

I don’t think RG is involved, though.

IMHO

 

[CuriousCricket]

I dislike Guilliani as much as the next (sensible) person, but suggesting he might somehow be involved in the Gilgo case? C'mon guys. These sex ring stories are just an evolved version of the Satanic panic that we saw in 1980s. These types of killers are almost always lone predators. And there's a very good reason for that. To "join forces" with others, he would have needed to expose himself by opening up about deviant sexual fantasies that most people would find abhorrent and disgusting.

Not involved in the murders of the Gilgo case, but perhaps interested in keeping certain lifestyle facts hidden. Things are looked at very differently today than they were 30-40 years ago.

We know of the corruption inside the legal system in Suffolk County at that time. You have only to google James Burke and Thomas Spota. Add to that Burke's known associations with sex workers, testimony that he and RH attended at least one of the same parties . . . Police chief partied with Gilgo 'serial killer at crack-fueled motel bash'

Many seem to believe that the investigation of this case was hindered by people anxious to keep their own sins hidden.

There has been testimony from one of John Ray's witnesses that RH and wife were swingers, information about a club very near RH's office where "parties" were announced, the internet boards -- After reading so much about the lifestyle and the intertwining of people's lives in that fairly small location on Long Island . . . well, certain conclusions are reached.

We also know of the damage association with Jeffrey Epstein has done to lives and that he appears to have courted and sought out the rich and powerful for his own interests.

Then, there are the Hollywood scandals and the lives destroyed by sexual misconduct.

In the meantime, politicians have always sought contributions from the wealthy in order to be re-elected.

My mind keeps going back to a conversation with a classmate from long ago. He is now a staid and (as far as I know) pillar of the community and Sunday school teacher. He related that our most notorious classmate had come to him seeking a grubstake to grow marijuana in Alaska. Said notorious classmate had been well liked by the "popular" kids; he had married well. BUT, he had gone to prison. I believe for rape. Then escaped and was on the lam when he approached the classmate with whom I was having the conversation.

He looked off into the distance as he related that his group of boys had been wild and -- by today's standards -- even criminal. But even back in the day, as boys, they had recognized that the notorious one was willing to go much further and do things the rest of them would not.

Don't you think it's possible there are people out there with associations with RH, even with Burke and Spota, who may have recognized a willingness to go further, to do things way out of boundaries?

Those associates would not have participated in the most horrible and the murders, but perhaps participated or witnessed things (say "games") that today could harm their lives and reputations. I personally see Guilliani as an old tortoise - he's not likely to be damaged or if he is, he can handle it.

No, I wonder if his appearance might be sort of a reminder of "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" mentality for those people who were associates and who participated in the lifestyle back in the day. "It's been decades. Let's leave it there", would be my guess, IF the associations with RH existed.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Grant Parpan
@GrantParpan


Wednesday's conference in the case of alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann has been adjourned to Jan. 29 to allow time for prosecutors to answer a defense motion to exclude DNA evidence, the Suffolk County District Attorney's office said

Court Appearance For Accused Gilgo Beach Killer Postponed: DA's Office

Rex Heuermann is now slated to appear in court later in January, the DA's office says.

patch.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

THURSDAY, Jan. 16
IMPACT x Nightline: “Gilgo Beach Murders: A Serial Killer’s Secrets?” (314) – Streaming Only on Hulu
Logline: For over a decade, a suspect in the Gilgo Beach killings remained at large until authorities arrested family man Rex Heuermann, who they say lived a double life. Go inside the investigation of the man charged with murdering seven women.

IMPACT x Nightline: Gilgo Beach Murders: A Serial Killer’s Secrets? (1/16)

Gilgo Beach Murders: A Serial Killer’s Secrets? (1/16)

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[james.coff]

I really need to deep dive into Bittrolff. I don’t know as much as I should.

Please Do!