Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[snooptroop88]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

Amen to this. He's poured his own money into these cases. I've actually heard comments about how some people think he's like an ambulance chaser of sorts, and I really get ruffled by it. This guy is doing what most lawyers wouldn't even dream of doing and throwing his money behind what he views as a worthy cause, and he's absolutely right, it is one. He's done so, so much for these cases. The victims in these cases have suffered tremendously. How much do we hear about that from AE's Peacock special? I came away from that documentary feeling like I was being taken to the woodshed for having caused AE's suffering. Because you know, RH-- he didn't do it. And it's like hours of softball questions for AE.

Seriously?? It has to drive JR to distraction that when people come on various media calling his witnesses unreliable and/or flat-out liars, those in RH's inner circle (known and speculated) are given hall passes for just about anything. Why?

$$$$$$$.

Cha-ching!! (But jmo.)

 

[Ruminations]

Amen to this. He's poured his own money into these cases. I've actually heard comments about how some people think he's like an ambulance chaser of sorts, and I really get ruffled by it. This guy is doing what most lawyers wouldn't even dream of doing and throwing his money behind what he views as a worthy cause, and he's absolutely right, it is one. He's done so, so much for these cases. The victims in these cases have suffered tremendously. How much do we hear about that from AE's Peacock special? I came away from that documentary feeling like I was being taken to the woodshed for having caused AE's suffering. Because you know, RH-- he didn't do it. And it's like hours of softball questions for AE.

Seriously?? It has to drive JR to distraction that when people come on various media calling his witnesses unreliable and/or flat-out liars, those in RH's inner circle (known and speculated) are given hall passes for just about anything. Why?

$$$$$$$.

Cha-ching!! (But jmo.)

It must tick some people off that Ray will not be gaslit into thinking Shannan caused her own demise when all the evidence, starting with her reporting her impending murder, pointing to murder.

There is no rational reason to believe Shannan was not murdered; at best people intending to harm her "accidentally" murdered her.

For some reason, there is a resistance to justice for some crimes in the area, including solving certain murders. Simultaneously, the Suffolk County detectives have a historic rate of murders solved by confession, and rates that high suggest a number of false confessions and/or a poor follow-up on murders where confessions do not fall into the detectives' laps. The LE institutions do not suffer from poor funding or being undersized.

I think Shannan's murder, like identifying and arresting Rex, is caught up in that "for some reason." And one way to resist justice is to attempt to discredit people pushing for justice.

John Ray is one of those people.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder if she’s flattered at the compliment from him?

Great question now that you mention it.

Since she's capable to be in close physical contact with him and speaks with him I'd say he made her day and she made headlines.
If he goes to trial it will be interesting to see if she does any direct/cross examining.
A few years ago it became the go-to for high profile cases where men were charged with SA to have a female attorney defending them.
The purpose is for it to hopefully take the sting out of males defending males against a female victim with the jury and pit female against female hoping the jury will believe the female attorney as she does some form of character assassination on the victim.
Granted all the victims are deceased but the strategy remains.
Looking forward to opening statement where RH is portrayed as a loving, devoted husband and father,

Not being insensitive to SA victims but what RH is accused of doing transcends evil as we've come to define it.

IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

At same time, the bolded statement doesn't match AE's life experience at all. And is nothing that she would ever be able to say in regards to RH.

Even though I was not impressed with Ray's witness and her delivery of events she claimed took place that night if any of it is true she may have gotten it mixed up with AE's praising of RH and what AE says she owes him with her having also been told by AE that she was "adopted" from Iceland or came to US from Iceland.
As far as I am aware there's been no deep vetting of AE's childhood.
IMO

"Besides a troubled first marriage and life as a young single mother, Ellerup - who was adopted from Iceland - had suffered other traumas at the hands of men."

Why the Gilgo Beach suspect's wife is standing by his side

To Asa Ellerup, her husband Rex Heuermann is her 'tall, dark and handsome' hero and a family man. To authorities, he is a depraved serial killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[lohrtabitha]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

Well said. Shannans family is the underdog in this case. JR certainly can't get rich from defending them. Maybe he is all about justice and wanting the corrupt to be held accountable. Imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

Still waiting on any updates on where AE was in the days before/when Tanya Jackson's dismembered body was discovered on June 28, 1997 and she had been deceased for only a few days.
Her timed summer vacations with the children certainly fit RH's mode operandi and VH would have been approx.8 months old and old enough to travel via plane to Iceland.
AE's lawyer Macedonio is usually on top of when AE was out of town but so far crickets unless I missed it.
IMO

 

[CuriousCricket]

For some reason, there is a resistance to justice for some crimes in the area, including solving certain murders. Simultaneously, the Suffolk County detectives have a historic rate of murders solved by confession, and rates that high suggest a number of false confessions and/or a poor follow-up on murders where confessions do not fall into the detectives' laps. The LE institutions do not suffer from poor funding or being undersized.

MOO

Snipped for focus: Dare we add coerced confessions? That's what came to my mind in the discussion of a high percentage of murders solved by confession and not good-old-fashioned investigation.

 

[snarast]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

He does do one thing that ticks people off - he brings in satanism every once in a while - and we have all been instructed to call that satanic panic since WM3.

And he talks about the dead souls of the victims as his motivation. Personally, I think that is beautiful, but I’m guessing it’s not perceived that way by everyone.

 

[minazoe]

I agree staying away from the Satan stuff is probably wise...it doesn't really add to the evidence and it can't be used as an aggregator in a trial. unless say they found pentagrams carved onto the victims or. other physical evidence directly associated with the victims.

the satan angle is interesting but most people I have seen dabbling in this dark arts stuff are basically little high school goth girls who want to be edgy and cool. ..not to negate some of the more serious allegations and craziness that is well known about satanism and some of the crazy evilness it inspires.

But it is an attention getter.. maybe it was a good way to get peoples attention regarding some of the other peculiarities around the H family.

 

[Ruminations]

He does do one thing that ticks people off - he brings in satanism every once in a while - and we have all been instructed to call that satanic panic since WM3.

And he talks about the dead souls of the victims as his motivation. Personally, I think that is beautiful, but I’m guessing it’s not perceived that way by everyone.

Yeah. But that does not make him hard to believe.

I'll throw in that his production team can't produce, and indeed know nothing about producing media. But again, this is not about his credibility.

MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I had to look up to see the what the demonic references were about that councide with Rex and his daughter. To be honest, I'm pretty certain that the artwork his daughter posted on Tumbler is not normal. I would call the artwork demonic or evil. I'm sure some psychologists would be worried about her state of mind and publicly posting these type of images. I think Rex is absolute evil. John Ray calling his killings demonic, isn't far fetched especially since he killed the toddler and her mother. I attached the article so others could see what was being described. Imo

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

 

[jesse]

Doesn’t his efforts to get the 911 tape released give him a carte blanche?

Sure, I’d like him to stop going after VH. But I bet he has a reason - does anyone seriously think that VH can have this extreme gore-cannibalism aesthetic sense - and it is unrelated to her dad’s favourite pastime?

It’s not about VH’s actions/taste - it’s about what did RH do to his own family. How much are they blocking out after what seems like decades of manipulation?
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IMHOO

No. No carte blanche from me.

He absolutely re-victimized VH if she was a victim of RH. There's no good that can come of it other than getting attention on himself.

 

[jesse]

I had to look up to see the what the demonic references were about that councide with Rex and his daughter. To be honest, I'm pretty certain that the artwork his daughter posted on Tumbler is not normal. I would call the artwork demonic or evil. I'm sure some psychologists would be worried about her state of mind and publicly posting these type of images. I think Rex is absolute evil. John Ray calling his killings demonic, isn't far fetched especially since he killed the toddler and her mother. I attached the article so others could see what was being described. Imo

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

Many of the things Ray claimed as VH's artwork were not hers, so let's start there. His inability to understand how a website works made him spread falsehoods about her. I really hope she sues him.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Many of the things Ray claimed as VH's artwork were not hers, so let's start there. His inability to understand how a website works made him spread falsehoods about her. I really hope she sues him.

It really doesn't matter that it wasn't her artwork. The fact is she admired it so much that she posted it on Tumbler. She identified with it. Can you cite a reference with all the falsehoods?

 

[minazoe]

I had to look up to see the what the demonic references were about that councide with Rex and his daughter. To be honest, I'm pretty certain that the artwork his daughter posted on Tumbler is not normal. I would call the artwork demonic or evil. I'm sure some psychologists would be worried about her state of mind and publicly posting these type of images. I think Rex is absolute evil. John Ray calling his killings demonic, isn't far fetched especially since he killed the toddler and her mother. I attached the article so others could see what was being described. Imo

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

yes, Victoria's artwork is utterly shocking and demonic, honestly she could be a world class illustrator and digital artist. if her art work is a reflection of her inner thoughts and inspirations then who is she really? of course horror is a huge biz...and horror artists have a niche market. But she had some creations on her website that looked like dead women tangled in graves of bramble...just like he fathers victims..so that was an eye opener for me. each was different and a different color palette but there they were in four little insets and I just couldn't believe it. so like Ray I have my issues with this artwork and stuff being overlooked.

Maybe they have no evidence against Victoria other than her hair. whatever she may have experienced as a child , she doesn't have to impart this information to LE. and maybe they feel they have Rex and they don't need Victoria's trauma or artwork to convict him and they won't pursue her
based on the artwork. it's not enough to investigate her.

but don't be surprised if things start to come out down the line. mOO

 

[DS2021]

yes, Victoria's artwork is utterly shocking

I don't think she made most of it, I think most of it was reposted by her

 

[lohrtabitha]

yes, Victoria's artwork is utterly shocking and demonic, honestly she could be a world class illustrator and digital artist. if her art work is a reflection of her inner thoughts and inspirations then who is she really? of course horror is a huge biz...and horror artists have a niche market. But she had some creations on her website that looked like dead women tangled in graves of bramble...just like he fathers victims..so that was an eye opener for me. each was different and a different color palette but there they were in four little insets and I just couldn't believe it. so like Ray I have my issues with this artwork and stuff being overlooked.

Maybe they have no evidence against Victoria other than her hair. whatever she may have experienced as a child , she doesn't have to impart this information to LE. and maybe they feel they have Rex and they don't need Victoria's trauma or artwork to convict him and they won't pursue her
based on the artwork. it's not enough to investigate her.

but don't be surprised if things start to come out down the line. mOO

I agree with you here. Some of the artwork that she resonates with is just truly disturbing.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I don't think she made most of it, I think most of it was reposted by her

Why repost it? She resonates with it and that throws a red flag. Especially, when your father is a serial killer.

 

[minazoe]

actually as far as I know the artwork is Victoria's artwork..the stuff on her instagram or whatever SM is a different thing and just as weird. mOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I had to look up to see the what the demonic references were about that councide with Rex and his daughter. To be honest, I'm pretty certain that the artwork his daughter posted on Tumbler is not normal. I would call the artwork demonic or evil. I'm sure some psychologists would be worried about her state of mind and publicly posting these type of images. I think Rex is absolute evil. John Ray calling his killings demonic, isn't far fetched especially since he killed the toddler and her mother. I attached the article so others could see what was being described. Imo

Chilling Details Revealed About Rex Heuermann's daughter

New details were revealed in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Newsweek's live blog has ended.

www.newsweek.com

Never to be forgotten is what LE found on the Heuerman's kitchen table when they returned for a 2nd search/seize.
Ironically the book was seized during the first search then returned.
What would cause VH to be so desensitized to images of horrific murder scenes is what I'd like to know?
Her father is sitting in jail accused of unimaginable torture and the dismemberment of women.
IMO

'Rex Heuermann's family defend creepy crime scene scrapbook found on kitchen table as Gilgo Beach cops continue search of their home'​

• Police found Death Scenes: A Homicide Detective’s Scrapbook on kitche

Rex Heuermann's family attorney defends crime scrapbook found in house

Police continue to search the family's home in Massapequa Park, Long Island, but are yet to reveal what exactly it is they are looking for.

www.dailymail.co.uk