Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 7 murders, July 2023 #16

[snooptroop88]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

Amen to this. He's poured his own money into these cases. I've actually heard comments about how some people think he's like an ambulance chaser of sorts, and I really get ruffled by it. This guy is doing what most lawyers wouldn't even dream of doing and throwing his money behind what he views as a worthy cause, and he's absolutely right, it is one. He's done so, so much for these cases. The victims in these cases have suffered tremendously. How much do we hear about that from AE's Peacock special? I came away from that documentary feeling like I was being taken to the woodshed for having caused AE's suffering. Because you know, RH-- he didn't do it. And it's like hours of softball questions for AE.

Seriously?? It has to drive JR to distraction that when people come on various media calling his witnesses unreliable and/or flat-out liars, those in RH's inner circle (known and speculated) are given hall passes for just about anything. Why?

$$$$$$$.

Cha-ching!! (But jmo.)

 

[Ruminations]

Amen to this. He's poured his own money into these cases. I've actually heard comments about how some people think he's like an ambulance chaser of sorts, and I really get ruffled by it. This guy is doing what most lawyers wouldn't even dream of doing and throwing his money behind what he views as a worthy cause, and he's absolutely right, it is one. He's done so, so much for these cases. The victims in these cases have suffered tremendously. How much do we hear about that from AE's Peacock special? I came away from that documentary feeling like I was being taken to the woodshed for having caused AE's suffering. Because you know, RH-- he didn't do it. And it's like hours of softball questions for AE.

Seriously?? It has to drive JR to distraction that when people come on various media calling his witnesses unreliable and/or flat-out liars, those in RH's inner circle (known and speculated) are given hall passes for just about anything. Why?

$$$$$$$.

Cha-ching!! (But jmo.)

It must tick some people off that Ray will not be gaslit into thinking Shannan caused her own demise when all the evidence, starting with her reporting her impending murder, pointing to murder.

There is no rational reason to believe Shannan was not murdered; at best people intending to harm her "accidentally" murdered her.

For some reason, there is a resistance to justice for some crimes in the area, including solving certain murders. Simultaneously, the Suffolk County detectives have a historic rate of murders solved by confession, and rates that high suggest a number of false confessions and/or a poor follow-up on murders where confessions do not fall into the detectives' laps. The LE institutions do not suffer from poor funding or being undersized.

I think Shannan's murder, like identifying and arresting Rex, is caught up in that "for some reason." And one way to resist justice is to attempt to discredit people pushing for justice.

John Ray is one of those people.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder if she’s flattered at the compliment from him?

Great question now that you mention it.

Since she's capable to be in close physical contact with him and speaks with him I'd say he made her day and she made headlines.
If he goes to trial it will be interesting to see if she does any direct/cross examining.
A few years ago it became the go-to for high profile cases where men were charged with SA to have a female attorney defending them.
The purpose is for it to hopefully take the sting out of males defending males against a female victim with the jury and pit female against female hoping the jury will believe the female attorney as she does some form of character assassination on the victim.
Granted all the victims are deceased but the strategy remains.
Looking forward to opening statement where RH is portrayed as a loving, devoted husband and father,

Not being insensitive to SA victims but what RH is accused of doing transcends evil as we've come to define it.

IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

At same time, the bolded statement doesn't match AE's life experience at all. And is nothing that she would ever be able to say in regards to RH.

Even though I was not impressed with Ray's witness and her delivery of events she claimed took place that night if any of it is true she may have gotten it mixed up with AE's praising of RH and what AE says she owes him with her having also been told by AE that she was "adopted" from Iceland or came to US from Iceland.
As far as I am aware there's been no deep vetting of AE's childhood.
IMO

"Besides a troubled first marriage and life as a young single mother, Ellerup - who was adopted from Iceland - had suffered other traumas at the hands of men."

Why the Gilgo Beach suspect's wife is standing by his side

To Asa Ellerup, her husband Rex Heuermann is her 'tall, dark and handsome' hero and a family man. To authorities, he is a depraved serial killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[lohrtabitha]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

Well said. Shannans family is the underdog in this case. JR certainly can't get rich from defending them. Maybe he is all about justice and wanting the corrupt to be held accountable. Imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

Still waiting on any updates on where AE was in the days before/when Tanya Jackson's dismembered body was discovered on June 28, 1997 and she had been deceased for only a few days.
Her timed summer vacations with the children certainly fit RH's mode operandi and VH would have been approx.8 months old and old enough to travel via plane to Iceland.
AE's lawyer Macedonio is usually on top of when AE was out of town but so far crickets unless I missed it.
IMO

 

[CuriousCricket]

For some reason, there is a resistance to justice for some crimes in the area, including solving certain murders. Simultaneously, the Suffolk County detectives have a historic rate of murders solved by confession, and rates that high suggest a number of false confessions and/or a poor follow-up on murders where confessions do not fall into the detectives' laps. The LE institutions do not suffer from poor funding or being undersized.

MOO

Snipped for focus: Dare we add coerced confessions? That's what came to my mind in the discussion of a high percentage of murders solved by confession and not good-old-fashioned investigation.

 

[snarast]

I take John Ray very seriously and regard him with some reverence.

I don't recall a single false statement. I don't understand what is not serious about him, unless you are referring to superficial matters of opinion like fashion. I guess purples and maroons are not serious to some people?

He has worked tirelessly to call out the false narratives regarding Shannan's murder. He has made information, particularly the 911 call and affidavits by Pak and Brewer available.

Shannan's family is not wealthy. They do not have money to pay attorneys. If money is the motivation for representing Shannan's family/estate, he has picked the wrong client!

Of course I take John Ray seriously. And I am very thankful for his work towards justice for Shannan.


MOO

He does do one thing that ticks people off - he brings in satanism every once in a while - and we have all been instructed to call that satanic panic since WM3.

And he talks about the dead souls of the victims as his motivation. Personally, I think that is beautiful, but I’m guessing it’s not perceived that way by everyone.

 

[minazoe]

I agree staying away from the Satan stuff is probably wise...it doesn't really add to the evidence and it can't be used as an aggregator in a trial. unless say they found pentagrams carved onto the victims or. other physical evidence directly associated with the victims.

the satan angle is interesting but most people I have seen dabbling in this dark arts stuff are basically little high school goth girls who want to be edgy and cool. ..not to negate some of the more serious allegations and craziness that is well known about satanism and some of the crazy evilness it inspires.

But it is an attention getter.. maybe it was a good way to get peoples attention regarding some of the other peculiarities around the H family.

 

[Ruminations]

He does do one thing that ticks people off - he brings in satanism every once in a while - and we have all been instructed to call that satanic panic since WM3.

And he talks about the dead souls of the victims as his motivation. Personally, I think that is beautiful, but I’m guessing it’s not perceived that way by everyone.

Yeah. But that does not make him hard to believe.

I'll throw in that his production team can't produce, and indeed know nothing about producing media. But again, this is not about his credibility.

MOO

 

[jesse]

Doesn’t his efforts to get the 911 tape released give him a carte blanche?

Sure, I’d like him to stop going after VH. But I bet he has a reason - does anyone seriously think that VH can have this extreme gore-cannibalism aesthetic sense - and it is unrelated to her dad’s favourite pastime?

It’s not about VH’s actions/taste - it’s about what did RH do to his own family. How much are they blocking out after what seems like decades of manipulation?
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IMHOO

No. No carte blanche from me.

He absolutely re-victimized VH if she was a victim of RH. There's no good that can come of it other than getting attention on himself.

 

[lohrtabitha]

yes, Victoria's artwork is utterly shocking and demonic, honestly she could be a world class illustrator and digital artist. if her art work is a reflection of her inner thoughts and inspirations then who is she really? of course horror is a huge biz...and horror artists have a niche market. But she had some creations on her website that looked like dead women tangled in graves of bramble...just like he fathers victims..so that was an eye opener for me. each was different and a different color palette but there they were in four little insets and I just couldn't believe it. so like Ray I have my issues with this artwork and stuff being overlooked.

Maybe they have no evidence against Victoria other than her hair. whatever she may have experienced as a child , she doesn't have to impart this information to LE. and maybe they feel they have Rex and they don't need Victoria's trauma or artwork to convict him and they won't pursue her
based on the artwork. it's not enough to investigate her.

but don't be surprised if things start to come out down the line. mOO

I agree with you here. Some of the artwork that she resonates with is just truly disturbing.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I don't think she made most of it, I think most of it was reposted by her

Why repost it? She resonates with it and that throws a red flag. Especially, when your father is a serial killer.

 

[Warwick7]

John Ray completely discredited himself. I can't believe anyone still takes him seriously.

In M00, if it wasn't for him there would be so much information we wouldn't have.

 

[Izzylizzy]

No. No carte blanche from me.

He absolutely re-victimized VH if she was a victim of RH. There's no good that can come of it other than getting attention on himself.

As one who admires JR for his dedication and perseverance I had no problem with him bringing attention to VH's art and/or other's art but the mere suggestion that she was aware of any murders is way beyond a bridge too far and he should have known better.
IMO

 

[Ruminations]

As one who admires JR for his dedication and perseverance I had no problem with him bringing attention to VH's art and/or other's art but the mere suggestion that she was aware of any murders is way beyond a bridge too far and he should have known better.
IMO

I think it is relevant WHOSE attorney an attorney represents. John Ray is not representing VH.

of course it's a terrible position to be in to be related to Rex, but using the word "victim" when little children had to grow up not knowing their mothers is over-the-top for me. In this context, calling VH a victim is sliding hard into creating a very hostile false equivalency. I'm not saying I am not feeling a great deal of empathy for VH. But I can't use the word "victim" in this context.

While it remains insane that Macedonia and Mitev came out of the ether, they are theoretically repping Asa, for Macedonia, and VH & CS for Mitev. If Mitev said the things John Ray had said, that would be poor lawyering.

I will for the first time and possibly the last, post a positive comment about Mitev. His clients did not come off terribly in the Peacock show about this case and Rex's family. There was more reputation repair than damage.

On the other hand, Asa was repeatedly characterized as unstable by her own attorney on camera. Talk about a lawyer who needs to be fired.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

I would call them collateral damage..not victims. the victims are dead, murdered, dissected. mOO