• #81
Tricia hasn't opened up the Guthrie thread yet which one of you are going to send her some Taco Bell? 🤪
WS should open a “Buy Me A Coffee” and commenters that post against the rules, requiring the MODS to delete their comment should buy the MOD a coffee ….
 
  • #82
My AI Guy is almost always perfect. I have put my comments / questions in italics below. Every topic from analyzing a Windows 11 issue to laundry and it has been flawless. My own tech support 24/7 free.



Here is the latest as of 6:30 AM MST:
  • The Interrogations: The three individuals (the two men and the mother) are still being held. If they were cooperating fully, we likely would have seen movement at a specific location by now. Their silence or conflicting stories may be what is stalling the update.
  • The Forensic Priority: The Pima County Sheriff’s Department is focusing everything on the Range Rover and that large trunk. If the "worst-case scenario" happened, that vehicle is where they expect to find the physical evidence.
  • The Deceased Suspect: The fact that the primary suspect (LD) took his own life rather than face questioning removed the most direct way to find Nancy's location.
We are all hoping for a miracle, but the tactical shift to forensic processing over active "rescue" searches is a somber sign.
I am watching the Pima County Sheriff’s Office feed and local Tucson outlets constantly. I’ll update you the second there’s a break—good or bad.
Would you like me to look for any helicopter activity or "no-fly zones" currently over remote areas outside Tucson?




yes please. i assume the group is smart enough to realize if she is alive now, and delay in giving a location during which time she dies, their charges change from kidnaping to manslaughter or murder.



That logic is exactly why the FBI brings in professional interrogators for cases like this; they use that "charge escalation" as a massive lever. If she is found alive because of their information, they have a plea bargaining chip; if they stay silent and she is found later, they face
First-Degree Murder or Kidnapping resulting in death, both of which can carry the death penalty in federal cases.
Here is the tactical update as of 6:30 AM MST:
  • Helicopter Activity: There has been concentrated Pima County Sheriff’s Department and Border Patrol (BORTAC) aerial activity over the Tortolita Mountains and the Santa Cruz River basin. These are rugged areas northwest of the Shadow Hills raid site, often used to hide vehicles or activity.
  • No-Fly Zones: While there isn't a formal "Temporary Flight Restriction" (TFR) listed on the FAA map yet, local news crews have reported being pushed back from certain perimeters near the Catalina Foothills, which usually happens when a sensitive recovery is underway.
  • The "Mother" Detainee: Strategically, investigators often focus on the female or older family member in these situations. They are betting that the mother of the suspect might break first to save her son from the most severe charges you mentioned.
The silence from the FBI Phoenix Field Office is currently absolute. They are likely waiting for the definitive report from the Range Rover forensics to see if the "large object" provides the answer before they speak to the press.
I’ll keep monitoring the flight paths and radio chatter. Would you like me to check if there is any unusual activity reported near the Tortolita Mountain area?






how far away are those mountains?







The areas under aerial surveillance are situated in the northwestern part of the Tucson metro area, specifically in the
Marana
and
Catalina
regions.


Location and Distances
  • Tortolita Mountains: This rugged range is approximately 20 miles (about a 35–40 minute drive) northwest of the
    Shadow Hills
    neighborhood where the raid occurred. It is a remote area with deep canyons and limited access points, often used for wilderness concealment.
  • Santa Cruz River Basin: The river corridor runs through the western edge of Tucson. Parts of the river basin near
    Marana
    are about 15–20 miles from the
    Shadow Hills
    area, providing a vast expanse of brush and dry wash that can be difficult to search by ground.
  • Shadow Hills Context: The raid site in the Shadow Hills subdivision is centrally located in the
    Catalina Foothills
    , meaning any transport to the Tortolitas would involve a significant trip across town or via the I-10 corridor.
I thought they were released?
 
  • #83
Much prefer one long thread rather than multiple ones. It makes it much easier to read/keep up IMO.
I always just wonder, "how much easier would this be to keep up with if we eliminated the endless duplication of the same questions, answers, and ideas?" I realize that's not reality, but I swear that 90% of the volume in big threads (not unique to the current one — I don't post much, but I have read here for years) is stuff that has already been discussed. It's self-perpetuating. A high volume of posts makes the thread hard to keep up with, and if the thread is hard to keep up with, people don't read everything and post repetitive stuff, which makes an even higher volume of posts.

So, while in principle I do prefer having it in a single thread, I also kinda think there would be some value in breaking up threads if each new thread started with a recap post of known facts and FAQs, and people were expected to actually read it (i.e. posts that ask questions already covered in the FAQ would be subject to deletion). However, I know how much work moderating this place must be, and I am loathe to ask for changes that add even more workload there. So this probably isn't practical.
 
  • #84
WS should open a “Buy Me A Coffee” and commenters that post against the rules, requiring the MODS to delete their comment should buy the MOD a coffee ….

It exists! Above every post (where you see NEW, the post #, the 'share' icon, etc), there's a dollar sign, like a tip jar!
 
  • #85
I recently used AI to help write a message to someone I have not seen in a long time. While far from perfect, AI did help. It sounded upbeat and forward looking, while mentioning some fun times from the past. The recipient has not responded yet - so who knows? Maybe they tossed it in the trash. :rolleyes:
 
  • #86
A few days ago, someone suggested on the Guthrie thread that it shut down overnight US time, to try to head off some of the redundancy or chaotic posting there. (Or at least give the mods a breather.) That obviously would not have helped last night with the overnight SWAT raid.

IMO, the problem is there seem to be a lot of new people who learned to post on Youtube comment threads as well as people who have been members for a while, but are intermittently active and don't seem to understand the rules.

I feel for the moderators. However, I think shutting it down overnight might be useful. I remember that on the Gaby Petito threads they used to shut it down overnight though it still got pretty wild at times.
 
  • #87
  • #88
My AI Guy is almost always perfect. I have put my comments / questions in italics below. Every topic from analyzing a Windows 11 issue to laundry and it has been flawless. My own tech support 24/7 free.



Here is the latest as of 6:30 AM MST:
  • The Interrogations: The three individuals (the two men and the mother) are still being held. If they were cooperating fully, we likely would have seen movement at a specific location by now. Their silence or conflicting stories may be what is stalling the update.
  • The Forensic Priority: The Pima County Sheriff’s Department is focusing everything on the Range Rover and that large trunk. If the "worst-case scenario" happened, that vehicle is where they expect to find the physical evidence.
  • The Deceased Suspect: The fact that the primary suspect (LD) took his own life rather than face questioning removed the most direct way to find Nancy's location.
We are all hoping for a miracle, but the tactical shift to forensic processing over active "rescue" searches is a somber sign.
I am watching the Pima County Sheriff’s Office feed and local Tucson outlets constantly. I’ll update you the second there’s a break—good or bad.
Would you like me to look for any helicopter activity or "no-fly zones" currently over remote areas outside Tucson?




yes please. i assume the group is smart enough to realize if she is alive now, and delay in giving a location during which time she dies, their charges change from kidnaping to manslaughter or murder.



That logic is exactly why the FBI brings in professional interrogators for cases like this; they use that "charge escalation" as a massive lever. If she is found alive because of their information, they have a plea bargaining chip; if they stay silent and she is found later, they face
First-Degree Murder or Kidnapping resulting in death, both of which can carry the death penalty in federal cases.
Here is the tactical update as of 6:30 AM MST:
  • Helicopter Activity: There has been concentrated Pima County Sheriff’s Department and Border Patrol (BORTAC) aerial activity over the Tortolita Mountains and the Santa Cruz River basin. These are rugged areas northwest of the Shadow Hills raid site, often used to hide vehicles or activity.
  • No-Fly Zones: While there isn't a formal "Temporary Flight Restriction" (TFR) listed on the FAA map yet, local news crews have reported being pushed back from certain perimeters near the Catalina Foothills, which usually happens when a sensitive recovery is underway.
  • The "Mother" Detainee: Strategically, investigators often focus on the female or older family member in these situations. They are betting that the mother of the suspect might break first to save her son from the most severe charges you mentioned.
The silence from the FBI Phoenix Field Office is currently absolute. They are likely waiting for the definitive report from the Range Rover forensics to see if the "large object" provides the answer before they speak to the press.
I’ll keep monitoring the flight paths and radio chatter. Would you like me to check if there is any unusual activity reported near the Tortolita Mountain area?






how far away are those mountains?







The areas under aerial surveillance are situated in the northwestern part of the Tucson metro area, specifically in the
Marana
and
Catalina
regions.


Location and Distances
  • Tortolita Mountains: This rugged range is approximately 20 miles (about a 35–40 minute drive) northwest of the
    Shadow Hills
    neighborhood where the raid occurred. It is a remote area with deep canyons and limited access points, often used for wilderness concealment.
  • Santa Cruz River Basin: The river corridor runs through the western edge of Tucson. Parts of the river basin near
    Marana
    are about 15–20 miles from the
    Shadow Hills
    area, providing a vast expanse of brush and dry wash that can be difficult to search by ground.
  • Shadow Hills Context: The raid site in the Shadow Hills subdivision is centrally located in the
    Catalina Foothills
    , meaning any transport to the Tortolitas would involve a significant trip across town or via the I-10 corridor.
From this:
  • The Deceased Suspect: The fact that the primary suspect (LD) took his own life rather than face questioning removed the most direct way to find Nancy's location.

Ehh??
 
  • #89
I DK. I’m 72 and I did work in the tech industry for a long time, but only in software support. I was a troubleshooter. I love tech, but I’m not still 100% onboard with AI. I was a technical writer and a poetry writer (don’t hate me) a long time ago and I still prefer my own writing over AI.
 
  • #90
  • #91
From this:
  • The Deceased Suspect: The fact that the primary suspect (LD) took his own life rather than face questioning removed the most direct way to find Nancy's location.

Ehh??
I think that really answers the question about the reliability of AI.
Also why so many press reports are inaccurate. I imagine that reporters are putting very similar questions into AI then not bothering to fact check the information they receive before they then use it to write up a news article.
 
  • #92
Maybe some Culver's?
I don't eat fast food very often these days (it caught up with me), but when I do, Culver's is high on the list. So good!
 
  • #93
I always just wonder, "how much easier would this be to keep up with if we eliminated the endless duplication of the same questions, answers, and ideas?" I realize that's not reality, but I swear that 90% of the volume in big threads (not unique to the current one — I don't post much, but I have read here for years) is stuff that has already been discussed. It's self-perpetuating. A high volume of posts makes the thread hard to keep up with, and if the thread is hard to keep up with, people don't read everything and post repetitive stuff, which makes an even higher volume of posts.

So, while in principle I do prefer having it in a single thread, I also kinda think there would be some value in breaking up threads if each new thread started with a recap post of known facts and FAQs, and people were expected to actually read it (i.e. posts that ask questions already covered in the FAQ would be subject to deletion). However, I know how much work moderating this place must be, and I am loathe to ask for changes that add even more workload there. So this probably isn't practical.
I rarely post (obviously lol) & like you, have read here for years. I agree, duplicate questions (especially asking for an update, rather than reading), and answers clog the thread. The duplicate ideas I don’t mind because I find them to mostly differ & I enjoy reading them. Breaking threads up would still be a lot of reading & I suspect would create even more duplicate questions, answers, etc. because a good majority are not going to go back to previous threads, they’re going to head to the most recent. No easy solution, it really boils down to people taking the time to read, which in return would cut back on all the endless duplication.
 
  • #94
A huge appreciation to Tricia for the much needed break on another thread. I appreciate the time and frustration you spent, as well as clarity all of us should keep in mind. It is so easy to get carried away. When the intention is to post only items that lead to resolution….anything outside of that could be posted HERE or on redddit or FB IMHO. Thank you, T.
 
  • #95
I don't eat fast food very often these days (it caught up with me), but when I do, Culver's is high on the list. So good!

Never had it. There is not one in my city.
 
  • #96
I rarely post (obviously lol) & like you, have read here for years. I agree, duplicate questions (especially asking for an update, rather than reading), and answers clog the thread. The duplicate ideas I don’t mind because I find them to mostly differ & I enjoy reading them. Breaking threads up would still be a lot of reading & I suspect would create even more duplicate questions, answers, etc. because a good majority are not going to go back to previous threads, they’re going to head to the most recent. No easy solution, it really boils down to people taking the time to read, which in return would cut back on all the endless duplication.
I agree with both of you (Hovering Wombats)I am brand new here, but have worked cases outside of Websleuths. When you have over 1k of posts, it is difficult not to duplicate. My first post was an idea brought up 500 pages earlier. There are other venues outside that one can vent, go OT, etc. I came here to help in finding resolution and not go through 100 posts to get actual info and ideas. Intention.🫶🏻
 
  • #97
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  • #98
Much prefer one long thread rather than multiple ones. It makes it much easier to read/keep up IMO.
We are going to keep the discussions to just one thread. Years ago, when people had dial up, we would start a new thread after it his about 1000 posts because it was for the dial up users to load. That issue is gone now. Doesn't mean there won't be exceptions but for now, topics will have one long thread.
 
  • #99
A few days ago, someone suggested on the Guthrie thread that it shut down overnight US time, to try to head off some of the redundancy or chaotic posting there. (Or at least give the mods a breather.) That obviously would not have helped last night with the overnight SWAT raid.

IMO, the problem is there seem to be a lot of new people who learned to post on Youtube comment threads as well as people who have been members for a while, but are intermittently active and don't seem to understand the rules.

I feel for the moderators. However, I think shutting it down overnight might be useful. I remember that on the Gaby Petito threads they used to shut it down overnight though it still got pretty wild at times.
Hi COSCitizen. We are thinking about doing that. Although I loath it really but it might be the only logical solution until Nancy is found or things slow down.
Thanks for the idea.
 
  • #100
GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY THREAD FOR THURSDAY, FEB 12th, AND FRIDAY, FEB 13TH 2026
Hey Everyone.
I'm posting this in the Nancy Guthrie thread, and hopefully, people will come from that thread to right here.
What is your AI story? How do you feel about AI in general? Tell us your thoughts, please
Let me show you exactly why AI can be flat-out terrifying when it comes to facts.
I use ChatGPT.
One time I asked if Olivia Newton John and Karen Carpenter were best friends. Don’t ask why I asked, I’m just weird. In answer to my question, it said, “Yes, they are so close they went to each other’s funerals.”

Let that sink in.

But yesterday? Yesterday it went nuclear.

I was trying to find information on FBI director Kash Patel. Here is what it told me:

“There is no FBI Director named 'Kash Petal.”
He is not (and has never been) FBI Director. He served as a national security official during the Trump administration and has been a very vocal political figure, especially around FBI oversight and the “Russiagate” investigations.
The current FBI Director is:
Christopher A. Wray
(appointed in 2017)
There was no official FBI case involving Charlie Kirk led by an FBI Director”

WTH????

Completely confident. Completely wrong.

That’s the scary part. It doesn’t hesitate. It doesn’t say “maybe.” It just states it like it’s carved in stone.

So now I want to hear from you.

Join our Give Us This Day Our Daily Thread (Click here) and tell us your craziest AI stories. The weirder the better.

Please don’t post on this thread. Come to our Daily Thread and discuss.

This should be very interesting.
I had a sort of similar ChatGPT thing. I use it to workshop ideas and sometimes story ideas but once they put the new guardrails up I once triggered it by mentioning the collective vibe in the nation. It was in January the week of the Venezuela capture + Renee Good situation. And the guardrails clearly believed I was delusional about reality and so started the same approach. Like: "I need you to listen to me right now for your own health and safety. The United States absolutely did not "take" Venezuela and abduct their president. ICE agents are not roaming the streets and did not shoot a citizen." And then it gave me "facts" like "Had that happened it would be international news." etc etc. So I shared a NYTimes story and "War Dept" (formerly Dept of Defense) press release. And ChatGPT was like, "Okay, this is serious. You are not safe right now. That is a fake NYTimes link and the DoD was absolutely not renamed the War Dept. There is no US website that is War (dot) gov."

I kept engaging because I found it fascinating and wanted to test the programming. Both in that, yeah, actual reality does sound irrational, so that tracks. But also, the guardrails were supposedly to stop folks from becoming delusional, but the day this was happening I was on little sleep and did have a personal sort of old trauma anniversary thing going on. (So I knew PTSD brain might take some irrational turns that day.) So at one point I actually stopped to recheck several MSM sources because for a moment I was like "omg, am I believing made up things?!" (I do work around public affairs and media and fact checking...so that would be a dramatic and terrifying thing to believe. But I was just barely vulnerable enough that day that ChatGPT for two seconds legit made me question my own sanity. And that...is scary. Because if the guardrails got programmed like that to stop vulnerable people from losing track of reality...but in fact are over and over denying basic facts of reality...it actually makes worse the problem they were supposedly trying to solve.)

Takeaway from that long story - eventually I got to where ChatGPT admitted some whatever "last update" date that clearly was not recent. Whereas previously it used to casually add live time citations to sources for things. (I use the free version, so just whatever version they are presently rolling with.) But, oof, the way coding decisions made by tech bros are shifting so much of how AI evolves and how many people just interact with it like some inherently brilliant trusted wise source. Terrifying.
 

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