Ron was very aware of what was going on. I just have that feeling and it is my opinion, but i have studied this from the begining, and Ron knows. I just keep questioning myself as to why in the world would TC and MC keep making up stories about the SJR dock? makes no sense. Are they that mentally deficient? Scared? What do you think?
Going back to the beginning
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Going back to the night HaLeigh vanished,
If HaLeigh hit her head against a dresser drawer in Ron’s bedroom, would it leave any kind of evidence?
If HaLeigh died in front of Junior, would he understand she was dead?
If HaLeigh hit her head against a dresser drawer in Ron’s bedroom, would it leave any kind of evidence?
If HaLeigh died in front of Junior, would he understand she was dead?
My opinion on the *stories* told by MC and TC is that they were desperate to get out of jail and/or get some kind of plea deal, and lying is something that comes naturally to them. I have no doubt they have both lied throughout their lives and that lying had served them well in the past. IOW, MC and TC got out of hot water in the past by lying, so they thought they could lie about Haleigh and no one would bother to question it to any degree. If either or both does not know where Haleigh is--and I am convinced that neither MC nor TC knows--they could have just been guessing. And Joe was expendable so it was easy for MC and TC to toss Joe to the wolves, because he is a shady character in his own right.
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It might or might not. If Haleigh hit her head on a sharp edge that broker her skin, blood and tissue might have been left behind. If the wood is old or rough/splintered, hair might be trapped in the grain. But if she hit her head on a blunt edge, especially if a smooth veneer covers the wood, there might be no trace evidence.
If Jr's watched a lot of TV and movies, he might know that when someone is injured and falls down with his eyes closed and goes silent, he is "dead". I doubt he could fully conceptualize death, though. But he would be aware that Haleigh was hurt and the situation was very bad.
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What did RC drive to work that night?
I keep getting the remark RC made: "I let her drive" and the white truck with the decal on it "Only God can Judge me"..
We know the truck was legally on the road because he was driving it while the tent was set up in front of the MH park. So where was that truck that night?
I keep getting the remark RC made: "I let her drive" and the white truck with the decal on it "Only God can Judge me"..
We know the truck was legally on the road because he was driving it while the tent was set up in front of the MH park. So where was that truck that night?
This could be why LE came up empty-handed when they searched inside the trailer.
If Junior didn't see HaLeigh fall and bang her head hard against an object, and there was no laceration and hence no blood, and HaLeigh died instantly, Misty could have taken HaLeigh and lifted her onto her mattress, covered her with blankets, & told Junior HaLeigh was sleeping and to leave her alone because she had to get up for school the next day.
Misty wouldn't call and arrange for someone to come and remove HaLeigh in front of Junior and Misty's secret is safe because the accomplice will not tell on himself.
Without any blood evidence, it is relatively simple and easy for Misty to cover up HaLeigh's death in front of Junior and make it appear like she was sleeping when she was taken from her bed. JMO.
Here is the link to the video of Detective Gary Bowling’s press release to the media.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18693468/index./index.html
The detective’s comments prove LE never considered Misty as a suspect in HaLeigh’s disappearance and they were thoroughly convinced HaLeigh was abducted because she wouldn’t wander off on her own because she was afraid of the dark. This became the sole focus of their investigation
LE also believed HaLeigh was transported outside the district so that could explain why her body hasn't been recovered yet; LE decided it wasn't necessary to conduct a thorough ground search in the woods near HaLeigh’s home.
Ron told NG he changed the locks on the doors shortly after he moved to keep his home safe so it was easy for Misty to deceive Ron into buying her story that someone picked the lock and stole HaLeigh. Misty told GVS someone must have picked the lock. The fact there was no forced entry strongly suggests Misty opened the door so HaLeigh could be carried out.
Based on the detective’s description on the inside door being slightly ajar and not wide open, I don’t believe Misty is telling the truth.
Misty's absence from the tent seems suspicious to me. Maybe Misty left because she was scared LE would arrest her so she went and hid until she felt it was safe to come out.
At the 5:00 mm, Gary Bowling said Misty was traumatized by the event and she had their sympathy. He said they were done interviewing Misty and she is with family and she is being kept and comforted by her family and they were going to keep in close contact with her. He said Misty was a 17-year old child herself and they had to be careful how they dealt with her. They have to be very sensitive to who she and what she is.
I don't believe Misty intended to harm HaLeigh if she pushed her against an object which caused her death; in Misty's mind she was just trying to get HaLeigh to go to bed on time cause she had to get up for school the next day so it's not her fault. JMO
Thanks for this info; it is interesting to go back and listen to what was said early on in light of what has transpired since those early statements were made.
In the beginning, I considered it could have been a stranger abduction--I thought Misty was not present at the MH for at least part of the evening and that fear of repercussion for leaving the kids alone was the reason she lied. I knew she was lying or withholding information but that did not in my mind mean she herself had harmed Haleigh or was present when someone else did.
It is possible for someone to injure or kill another person and be traumatized or feel regret; often a suspect will cry and grieve or even experience remorse. I am not sure what Misty was feeling in those early days but I do believe she was traumatized by the events of that night. I think the events were traumatic for Ron also. However, grief or remorse after the fact does not always mean innocence. Both MC and RC lied or withheld info from LE, IMO; there has to be a reason for the lies.
By the time I was convinced this was not stranger abduction, I still held out that it could have been an abduction by someone who knew the family. As time went on with no trace whatsoever of little Haleigh, and with family saying and doing the things they were, it seemed this had to be the work of someone known to them. I did not think either Misty or Ron were directly responsible at first; it was in March when they got married that that possibility first entered my mind.
I believe in miracles and have seen a few in my lifetime so the possibility exists, but with LE not really making a concerted effort anymore to solve this case or to find Haleigh, a miracle is what it will take for this mystery to be solved, IMO.
Also IMO, a large part of the problem in this case is the media reporting as fact things that were never corroborated or checked out. NG directing questions to a panel member will only get that panel member's opinion which, IMO, is not necessarily better or more knowledgeable than the opinions we have expressed here at WS.
Too many people drank the NG kool-aid and, with her painting Ron as an angel and Misty as the devil, this case quickly became mired in rumor and innuendo. I embrace our right to free speech but sometimes some people should just STH up! If Haleigh never gets justice those in the media who didn't truly care but merely used her for ratings bear a huge part of the responsibility. Reporting rumor and opinion as fact without checking anything out is what turned this investigation into a circus.
On February 10, 2009, HaLeigh’s Investigators explain why they believe HaLeigh was abducted.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012/1002/NEWS01?p=2&tc=pg
Then Misty's mother Lisa Croslin dared to step forward and announce on NG that she knew Misty was holding something back and she knows something but is just not saying it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/savp/evp/?loc=dom&vid=/video/crime/2009/09/12/ng.haliegh.gram.speaks.cnn
LE and the Cummings family firmly believed HaLeigh was abducted at the beginning of the case so they didn't pay serious attention to what Lisa's instincts were revealing about her daughter.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012/1002/NEWS01?p=2&tc=pg
Then Misty's mother Lisa Croslin dared to step forward and announce on NG that she knew Misty was holding something back and she knows something but is just not saying it.
http://www.cnn.com/video/savp/evp/?loc=dom&vid=/video/crime/2009/09/12/ng.haliegh.gram.speaks.cnn
LE and the Cummings family firmly believed HaLeigh was abducted at the beginning of the case so they didn't pay serious attention to what Lisa's instincts were revealing about her daughter.
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Doesn't it seem odd that even Misty's own mother knew Misty was holding something back and knew more than what she was telling? I just can't figure out why the Cummings didn't suspect the same?
I don't know exactly how long it took for LE to realize Haleigh had not been abducted however, IMO Ron Cummings knew before the 911 call was ever made his daughter had not been abducted and was deceased.. And I highly suspect his mother and some other members of the family may have known this to be fact also...
An IIRC Lisa Croslin did not come forward in the beginning and state she believed Misty knew more than she was telling..Lisa didn't make the claim until six months after Haleigh was reported as being abducted...And IIRC Lisa stated she believed BOTH Ron and Misty was hiding something..
She didn't just single out Misty as being the one who knew more than she was telling..
And I also suspect the Cummings were paying serious attention to what Lisa Croslin was stating since her statement included Ron C as well as Misty....JMHO..
Were the Sheffield/Cummings concerned about Jr being abducted too?
Why did they believe this happened to HaLeigh?
Did Misty fear she too may be the target of an abduction?
Chelsea/Lindsy/Tommy are the only ones I heard express fear for the safety of their children.
A local posted here on WS, her belief that LE did not feel the community was at risk because of HaLeigh's abduction for the mere fact that the community was not "warned" or "placed on Alert" - to me, this is also important and does not demonstrate a "stranger" abduction theory. JMO
Why did they believe this happened to HaLeigh?
Did Misty fear she too may be the target of an abduction?
Chelsea/Lindsy/Tommy are the only ones I heard express fear for the safety of their children.
A local posted here on WS, her belief that LE did not feel the community was at risk because of HaLeigh's abduction for the mere fact that the community was not "warned" or "placed on Alert" - to me, this is also important and does not demonstrate a "stranger" abduction theory. JMO
I find it normal behavior that Misty moved back home with her parents after 9 Feb because:
1) She was under great emotional stress and needed her parents
2) Her father had just been discharged from the hospital
3) She is a nurturing type of person and wanted to take care of her father and nurse him back to health (we have seen how close of a family the Croslin's are)
4) Junior was with his mother
5) Ronald was with his mother
6) Why sleep in a tent when you can sleep at her parent's house?
1) She was under great emotional stress and needed her parents
2) Her father had just been discharged from the hospital
3) She is a nurturing type of person and wanted to take care of her father and nurse him back to health (we have seen how close of a family the Croslin's are)
4) Junior was with his mother
5) Ronald was with his mother
6) Why sleep in a tent when you can sleep at her parent's house?
I agree ... very odd about the tent city for sleeping purposes.
RC may have camped out because he:
1) wanted to guard over his big screen TV to make sure it was not stolen.
2) thought HaLeigh would be dropped off or appear at the mh on Green Lane
3) He obviously was not in fear for "his" life, was he? outside in a vulnerable area?
RC may have camped out because he:
1) wanted to guard over his big screen TV to make sure it was not stolen.
2) thought HaLeigh would be dropped off or appear at the mh on Green Lane
3) He obviously was not in fear for "his" life, was he? outside in a vulnerable area?
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Great point B4igo2it! It is wise to look around at the atmosphere and consider how are LE handling this. Are they preparing the public with a warning?
And the family of the missing girl, are they protecting the other children? To me, it seems the Cummings family entire focus was on protecting Ron and his story.
It always puzzled me that TN early on was ready and able to appear on any tv show, or in front of reporters to talk about Ron. Rarely did I hear a plea from her that Haleigh was in need of medicine and needed to be returned to her family. Unless of course you count the appearance with the baby doll. jmo
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Crystal appeared on NG with her lawyer Kim Picazio to let everyone know they had filed charges against Ron for child abuse & DCF cleared him.
A co worker of Ron's said Ron permitted Misty to hit the children and Misty had complete control of the children Monday evening and put HaLeigh to bed so there is a very strong possibiliy HaLeigh died at home.
Would Misty be able to lift HaLeigh's body into the dumpster?
After Ron, Misty, & Jr vacated 202 Greene Lane and moved in with Annette Sykes, Misty lost the power to abuse and threaten the children so Junior's was in a safe place.
NG Aired March 18, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
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Bombshell. A custody battle brewing over Haleigh`s 4-year-old little brother, Haleigh`s mother hiring a lawyer, and now her own private investigator called in to investigate the mother`s allegations of physical abuse and neglect against the father. Then why -- why -- did not one but two judges grant father Ronald Cummings custody of both children on three separate occasions? Why did DFACS come to investigate recently and go away empty-handed? Now, nearly four years later, the mom alleges abuse? Tonight, with us live, Haleigh`s mother. At this hour, police still insisting no one -- no one -- cleared as a suspect. Where is 5-year-old Florida girl Haleigh?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Haleigh has already been abducted. We`re not going to allow Junior to get hurt, no.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html
Here is a good article on Ron & Mistys engagement. The couple obtained the license Monday, one day after Cummings, 25, asked Croslin to marry him.
The big moment took place Sunday night at a Chili's restaurant in Palatka with several family members around them.
Misty said Rons mother Teresa Neves, son Junior and sister Crystal Cummings and her son attended the special event.
Lisa Croslin said she was unable to attend because of Hank.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3
thank you thank you thank you! This is what I have been looking for!
snipped from above transcript and BBM:
CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: "I don`t feel safe with him there. I mean, my daughter`s missing. He has a 17-year-old that he is married to now. She`s a child."
my point: it would seem to be a "typical" response to get the "other" child out of that environment! to go even a bit further ... if they harmed HaLeigh, who's to say they would not hesitate to harm Jr.? (Just my thoughts/just my opinion) ... or if they could not protect one child who is to say they cannot protect another one - as we all saw, it took a court order to get the 2nd child removed from the home. It was not the actions of a govt agency to protect the child was it? DCF did not step in, did they? DCF knew that an underaged juvenile was the appointed guardian of these two children (while their legal guardian was away @ work for a minimum of 9 hours on each workday) and they did not step in ... Even after, the disappearance of one of the two children, DCF still did not step in and remove the 2nd child from this environment, having full knowledge of what had just happened.
And who else stood by and allowed this injustice to occur? who did not send letters of outrage to DCF? Letters to PCSO? Letters to the District Atty?
... I hate to admit it, but sadly, I am one of those who failed Junior - knowing the environment he was living in. I saw the weird eyes, I heard the slurred speech, I suspected the drug abuse ... and as I make this post, I hang my head in embarrassment because I did not do all I could do. And despite my feelings and personal opinion toward KimP (I was upset because she was drawing attention away from HaLeigh for her own gain ... lol) today I applaud her and her actions. Ronald and the caretaker are in prison - they obviously were not responsible adults to ensure the safety and well-being of any adolescent children in their care. (regardless of whether they were involved in the disappearance of HaLeigh or not).
I applaud KimP and Crystal Sheffield in their endeavor to remove Junior from the custody of one Ronald L. Cummings :dance:
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Back to the beginning? I always thought misty knew exactly what happened. Once I saw and heard ron on tv, I was convinced he knew Haleigh was dead. I witnessed a grieving father, not a shocked or positive father who was looking for his child.
TN has sold us almost every fact of this story. As the story is painted, we were led to believe that Haleigh was loved, happy and lived around people that seem to be right out of a Walton family album. I say bull.
Why after all the fighting that went on prior and the huge fight that happened that night, was it hidden for 6 months? Ron knew he was fighting with misty that night. His mother told us they were up all night resolving their problems and both had NO sleep at all. Now why would ron, who can't locate misty and had a huge fight with her, decide to work OT?
I say bull. We have been buffaloed the entire time. Imagine two people who were fighting and she went off on a spree. Later, The other one throws her out and deposits her clothing on a lawn. Now, we are to believe they made up and kissed goodbyes on Monday, the 9th. Now they fight three hours later (huge fight) and Haleigh disappears within hours of the fight.
What picture do we get next? Ron, lovingly supporting misty, holding, hugging her within hours of his daughter going missing. Folks, we have been sold a bunch of bull. There is just no way that any of this is at it seemed.
No parent, no parent of a little girl would love and hold the last person to see his child alive in front of the cameras...especially when you consider he only knew this person five months...GMAB!
Ron and misty both know what happened. Lisa Croslin was right!
TN has sold us almost every fact of this story. As the story is painted, we were led to believe that Haleigh was loved, happy and lived around people that seem to be right out of a Walton family album. I say bull.
Why after all the fighting that went on prior and the huge fight that happened that night, was it hidden for 6 months? Ron knew he was fighting with misty that night. His mother told us they were up all night resolving their problems and both had NO sleep at all. Now why would ron, who can't locate misty and had a huge fight with her, decide to work OT?
I say bull. We have been buffaloed the entire time. Imagine two people who were fighting and she went off on a spree. Later, The other one throws her out and deposits her clothing on a lawn. Now, we are to believe they made up and kissed goodbyes on Monday, the 9th. Now they fight three hours later (huge fight) and Haleigh disappears within hours of the fight.
What picture do we get next? Ron, lovingly supporting misty, holding, hugging her within hours of his daughter going missing. Folks, we have been sold a bunch of bull. There is just no way that any of this is at it seemed.
No parent, no parent of a little girl would love and hold the last person to see his child alive in front of the cameras...especially when you consider he only knew this person five months...GMAB!
Ron and misty both know what happened. Lisa Croslin was right!
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