Greece Greece - Ben Needham, 21 mos, Isle of Kos, 24 July 1991

  • #381
Genuinely does nobody see how many holes are in this theory of Dino solely being responsible? Do we just dismiss events and timelines told by those there that day over the last 25 years?

Effectively this theory by SYP means they are calling those at the farmhouse that day liars because it contradicts things they have said over the years. Yet they haven't protested.

Honestly I don't know what to think.
 
  • #382
My thoughts are with Kerry and her family at this sad time 🙁, I hope they manage to find bens remains so that his family can finally lay him to rest, as a parent myself I can't imagine the heartbreak she has been through all of these years and now this.
She is a strong woman and I hope she has the strength to get through this.
 
  • #383
Genuinely does nobody see how many holes are in this theory of Dino solely being responsible? Do we just dismiss events and timelines told by those there that day over the last 25 years?

Effectively this theory by SYP means they are calling those at the farmhouse that day liars because it contradicts things they have said over the years. Yet they haven't protested.

Honestly I don't know what to think.

I know what you mean, we shouldn't just assumed this is how it is. However.... if that initial 2-3 minutes was more like 15-20, and Dino DID hit Ben and somehow managed to hide him and persuade his crew to down tools for the day, then the version of events could still stack up. Or not?
 
  • #384
  • #385
They all seem pretty convinced that Ben died that day, so I will presume the same. I can't imagine how they felt seeing that wee toy after all this time :(
 
  • #386
Genuinely does nobody see how many holes are in this theory of Dino solely being responsible? Do we just dismiss events and timelines told by those there that day over the last 25 years?

Effectively this theory by SYP means they are calling those at the farmhouse that day liars because it contradicts things they have said over the years. Yet they haven't protested.

Honestly I don't know what to think.

What doesn't fit?
 
  • #387
http://www.itv.com/goodmorningbrita...-anna-we-arent-completely-sure-the-car-is-his
Ben Needham's sister Leigh-Anna: 'We aren't completely sure the car is his'

The sister of missing toddler Ben Needham has brushed off police claims in Greece that say her brother is most likely to have died in a tragic accident on the island of Kos.

Speaking this morning, following the discovery of a toy car that could have belonged to Ben, Leigh-Anna Needham said: "I still remain hopeful that he's out there.
"The toy car has been shown to my mum and my grandparents. My nan is only 90% sure that it's one that is similar to one Ben had.
"We can't say for certain that it was Ben's. It could be Ben's, it could also not be Ben's."

She continued: "Without any remains, I will still have hope that he's out there. "I'm sort of half angry they didn't find anything because we were told to prepare for the worst"
 
  • #388
Genuinely does nobody see how many holes are in this theory of Dino solely being responsible? Do we just dismiss events and timelines told by those there that day over the last 25 years?

Effectively this theory by SYP means they are calling those at the farmhouse that day liars because it contradicts things they have said over the years. Yet they haven't protested.

Honestly I don't know what to think.


Truth can you elaborate on this ? do you mean the timings ?

I had initially believed that the digging work was going on whilst the family and Michaelis were having lunch - and that Ben was running in and out and playing during this time.

However, I have later read that the digging had stopped BEFORE they had lunch - in which case how could the digger have caused an accident ?

Certainly, the digging work had stopped by the time Eddie went to check the digger, during the search for Ben - but who knows what time that was - was it at the beginning of the search, or was it after they had gone through the olive grove and down the lane - so maybe half an hour later.

One thing that did occur to me - if the digging work was still going on during the time the family were having lunch, then how could Christine have heard Ben playing outside - and hence, suddenly realised there was no sound from him.
 
  • #389
They all seem pretty convinced that Ben died that day, so I will presume the same. I can't imagine how they felt seeing that wee toy after all this time :(

In a way, I wish it had been something more convincing, such as a buckle from his sandals. The toy car could have been dropped by Ben outside. It doesnt totally confirm a death to me.
 
  • #390
I really feel for Bens family as as his sister stated in the interview they were told by police to be prepared for the worst. I certainly wouldn't be happy with a toy car as the only piece of evidence along with hearsay that my son died of an accident. Unless they have other evidence of course...
 
  • #391
I really feel for Bens family as as his sister stated in the interview they were told by police to be prepared for the worst. I certainly wouldn't be happy with a toy car as the only piece of evidence along with hearsay that my son died of an accident. Unless they have other evidence of course...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-sister-fights-back-9068297

In this article, Leigh-Anna states there has been a number of toys that has been found.
 
  • #392
Yes...which could or could not be Ben's. The police seem pretty sure in saying it was an accident and this is how Ben died. But as a family they will want, I would assume, more concrete proof other than a few toys which as Leigh-Anna stated 'could be or could not be Ben's'.

Either way I feel heart sorry for the family. Still no closure.
 
  • #393
Agreed. The toy car isn't fool proof evidence that this is what happened and it leaves the family wondering, certainly doesn't bring fool proof answers. There is always the chance that the toy car was left near the digger at an earlier time that day. However, on aggregate, it does increase the likelihood that a digger accident is what happened to Ben.
As for the digger having finished work or not, or having taken a break, I don't think you can rely on people's memories that much. This was something in the peripheral consciousness on that day and not what they were focused on. Memories are also suggestible things. Fact is that the digger was there and was working that day. For all we know, the digger driver was taking stuff to the fly tip that day and was going backwards and forwards leading to periods away and periods present. Then you can easily get the impression that work had stopped for the day while in fact, the digger is just up the road dropping dirt.
The digger driver sweating and shaking after the police interview is no admission of guilt though. There's toddler who vanished without a trace in an area that doesn't make the child getting lost very likely, that is too remote to make an abduction too likely - of course the digger driver must ask himself if maybe he inadvertently killed the child. That's enought to give you the shakes. Stringing this scenario along, he may not even have known then that this is what happened - always assuming it is what happened. Maybe he went back later to check the rubble at the fly tipping site.
The Needhams said that Barkas was always very helpful and 'normal' with them after Ben vanished. If he knew what he did, that takes a lot to act like that. And from what we've heard about Barkas, that would not be in character. So, no, it doesn't fully add up though 'farming accident' is the most likely scenario.
 
  • #394
Reading the first page of this thread to the last is so heartbreaking. It's gone from the possibility of Ben being alive and with people that are caring for him, not knowing he was abducted and living a care free life to now searching for his body. Heart bleeds for this mother and the rest of the family.
 
  • #395
I really think they have to draw a line under this now. The police are certain he's dead, and short of digging up half of Kos they aren't going to find him even if there's anything left to find.

It's time for Kerry to accept that Ben may never be found but that he is, nevertheless, dead. She needs to move on with her life, for the sake of her own mental health and her remaining children and her wider family.

Obviously if the remains of a small child turn up on the island at some future date then yes, British police should get involved in investigating whether they could be Ben. However, with the UK due to leave the EU within the next few years it's possible that laision with police forces in remaining EU countries would not be on the same basis as they are now.

The British taxpayer cannot simply keep spending millions on what is almost certainly now a wild goose chase.
 
  • #396
I know we don't know what anyone would feel in this situation but I just think if I was Kerry in her situation, I also don't think I would be able to move on until I had bought my baby home. I know 25 years have passed but they seem closer than ever now. They probably won't ever find him and she will have to live with that unbearable pain as she has but I don't blame her for not giving up.
 
  • #397
I know we don't know what anyone would feel in this situation but I just think if I was Kerry in her situation, I also don't think I would be able to move on until I had bought my baby home.

I know 25 years have passed but they seem closer than ever now. They probably won't ever find him and she will have to live with that unbearable pain as she has but I don't blame her for not giving up.

Harsh though it may seem, Kerry is in exactly the same position as hundreds, probably thousands, of other mothers whose children have disappeared and are not found. I don't doubt many continue to hope against all hope, perhaps for the rest of their lives, but there's a point that they have to accept reality.

Kerry has had a much bigger bite of the investigative cherry than any other parent I can remember apart from Madeleine McCann's. The British and Greek police can no more dig up all of Kos looking for Ben than the British police can dig up all of Saddleworth Moor looking for Keith Bennet. Sad, and tough for the parents, but there it is.
 
  • #398
Kudos to Kerry then for keeping the investigation active. Kerry is an innocent victim and deserves answers. Trooper.
 
  • #399
I'd love for someone to have the courage to say to me to 'draw a line under it' if it was my daughter / son....

All easier said than done and ok as we aren't in her position but I know for a fact i couldn't and wouldn't give up just because i'd been given more resources to find my son!

Shocking!
 
  • #400
I'd love for someone to have the courage to say to me to 'draw a line under it' if it was my daughter / son....

All easier said than done and ok as we aren't in her position but I know for a fact i couldn't and wouldn't give up just because i'd been given more resources to find my son!

Shocking!

I second that. Nothing would stop me searching even with all the roadblocks she comes across in the way of her answers. IMO money is not wasted if it is spent finding little ones like Ben. Or any missing person for that matter.
 

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