Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[Marg from Oz]

It seems that this case is moving along even though it is small steps. It looked like it was going nowhere for a time. MMO

 

[tayaway]

SBM I'm surprised B's pilot trainer has been allowed to disclose information that neither he or B could identify the alleged suspect from 250 photos. It just feels like Police would want to keep information like that to themselves. 250 photos also seems like a lot.
Maybe it's a tactic by Police to allow the media and public to form their own opinion and let the pressure mount? My thoughts only
(Edited to make myself clearer)

I don't understand why we are only finding out about this carbon copy robbery now, instead of when C was murdered, especially since Babis knew what happened to his instructor.

 

[catchingdelivery]

I can't tell if the investigators are out of their depth, or if they're on the right track behind the scenes, or if the perpetrators are in plain sight and purposely throwing out misleading information, or if the story is true and there's a very dangerous, sophisticated criminal organisation out there. If the last is true, I feel like the crime would be about something bigger than the money allegedly stolen. I don't think they'd leave any survivors either. The last scenario just doesn't add up for me. My opinion only

 

[Winterbells]

So the police never caught the perps who robbed B’s instructor?
I do hope his insurers paid out.

 

[Kemug]

I'm trying to allow for the mistranslation of what the victim of 3 years ago said, but even so, I find the words "they do not calculate anything" at odds with not a single trace of DNA left.

 

[Patrick Jane]

I'm trying to allow for the mistranslation of what the victim of 3 years ago said, but even so, I find the words "they do not calculate anything" at odds with not a single trace of DNA left.

Δεν υπολογίζουν* τίποτα.
They don't have respect* for anything.

(my translation)

*this word literally refers to calculating or estimating or taking account of, but in the context here he's saying that normally you'd expect robbers to have some kind of moral code (despite them being robbers), somewhere where they'd draw the line, such as not laying hands on women and physically abusing them. However, he's saying that these perpetrators are rough, physically violent misogynists, and they don't take account of this moral code that says not to physically harm women, and in fact, he's saying, they don't take account of ANY moral code. "They don't have respect for anything" or "They don't take account of any (moral code)."

 

[Winterbells]

So is it the case that the police have no leads regarding the crime described by Babis's instructor, and that the only witnesses to the crime were the instructor and his wife, and that the perps left no clues (although there's a rogue shoe print from a hiking boot of some sort on a wall... or was that on Babis's wall?) and the instructor can't identify any of the perps from photos shown to him by the police, and nor can Babis?

 

[Kemug]

Thank you Patrick Jane. This language thing is really making things difficult for a lot of us.

 

[everybodhi]

It’s almost like just enough news keeps dripping out about what might have been but also without anything really concrete about what actually happened.

 

[Dotta]

So far I have read about 3 footprints (if I understood correctly that is. 1. Footprint on the small wall near the window. 2.Footprint on the tape. 3.Footprint near the bed - I thought the house was cleaned by a cleaning agency so maybe it is from "a mopping floor guy", right? Also descriptions of a perp with dropping mask: 1. Dark hair, olive complexion (hence Georgian man). 2. Roma/Gypsy one with a silver colt (rolling my eyes). 3. Blonde Albanian man (B recognized the language) who also took part in robbery in instructor's house - he is described as a "women hater". Have I omitted anything?

 

[tayaway]

So far I have read about 3 footprints (if I understood correctly that is. 1. Footprint on the small wall near the window. 2.Footprint on the tape. 3.Footprint near the bed - I thought the house was cleaned by a cleaning agency so maybe it is from "a mopping floor guy", right? Also descriptions of a perp with dropping mask: 1. Dark hair, olive complexion (hence Georgian man). 2. Roma/Gypsy one with a silver colt (rolling my eyes). 3. Blonde Albanian man (B recognized the language) who also took part in robbery in instructor's house - he is described as a "women hater". Have I omitted anything?

Wouldn't those footprints have been found when LE did a sweep of the home for evidence?

 

[Dotta]

Wouldn't those footprints have been found when LE did a sweep of the home for evidence?

I have no idea! Besides the footprint on the small wall must have been found immediately after the attack not now - after 1 month and exposed to elements (rain, wind etc) And another half footprint was found near the bed - but when? Now - sth different: Wayne C (Sarah E case in UK) pleaded guilty!!! I hope there will be a thread for it, please! Earlier thread was closed

 

[Angleterre]

Maybe the perpetrators used string and tape from the house precisely because it wouldn't have their DNA on it?

You can get DNA off tape normally

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I see just now that the thread for Sarah has been reopened.

I have no idea! Besides the footprint on the small wall must have been found immediately after the attack not now - after 1 month and exposed to elements (rain, wind etc) And another half footprint was found near the bed - but when? Now - sth different: Wayne C (Sarah E case in UK) pleaded guilty!!! I hope there will be a thread for it, please! Earlier thread was closed

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Not only that but you can also get quite good fingerprints off tape.

You can get DNA off tape normally

 

[tayaway]

CNN Gr:
The "psychologist" of the unfortunate Caroline, who was murdered in front of her family in Glyka Nera , is in GADA to testify about the possibility of being falsified .

This development comes after the intervention of associations of psychologists , who asked for the degrees of their "colleague" after her TV appearances and comments about the personal life of the murdered mother.

It was later revealed that the woman had neither a diploma nor a license to practice.

Is GADA the Greek police headquarters?

Star:
Eleni Mylonopoulou, the woman who claimed to be the psychologist of 20-year-old Caroline, who was murdered inside her house in Glyka Nera, went to the General Police Directorate of Attica this morning .

According to information, Ms. Mylonopoulou was summoned to testify at the Property Rights Department of Attica Security, in the context of a preliminary investigation, ordered by the Prosecutor's Office, after the publications, but also data submitted by the Hellenic Police.

So is this interview a statement of her defense for her actions impersonating a psychologist or for what she's said about C or both?

 

[Dotta]

I see just now that the thread for Sarah has been reopened.

Wow!!!!! Just WOW Thanks!

 

[tayaway]

Skai TV Apparently EM gave a "deposition" today, in which she claims she counseled C & B until mid-January and that aside from condolences, she's only been in contact with B once. She's denied that she called herself a 'psychologist,' that was the media's fault.

Didn't she say earlier that she couldn't remember the last time they met and that it was around Easter or something? She'd also told the press that she was in constant contact with B because he was in such an awful state? Am I remembering that wrong?

 

[Patrick Jane]

CNN Gr:
The "psychologist" of the unfortunate Caroline, who was murdered in front of her family in Glyka Nera , is in GADA to testify about the possibility of being falsified .

This development comes after the intervention of associations of psychologists , who asked for the degrees of their "colleague" after her TV appearances and comments about the personal life of the murdered mother.

It was later revealed that the woman had neither a diploma nor a license to practice.

Is GADA the Greek police headquarters?

Star:
Eleni Mylonopoulou, the woman who claimed to be the psychologist of 20-year-old Caroline, who was murdered inside her house in Glyka Nera, went to the General Police Directorate of Attica this morning .

According to information, Ms. Mylonopoulou was summoned to testify at the Property Rights Department of Attica Security, in the context of a preliminary investigation, ordered by the Prosecutor's Office, after the publications, but also data submitted by the Hellenic Police.

So is this interview a statement of her defense for her actions impersonating a psychologist or for what she's said about C or both?

To answer your question as to GADA:

The Attica General Police Directorate (Greek: Γενική Αστυνομική Διεύθυνση Αττικής, commonly used in the abbreviation ΓΑΔΑ, GADA) is an administrative unit of the Hellenic Police. Its headquarters are in Athens. It has been described as Athens' equivalent of Scotland Yard.

Attica General Police Directorate - Wikipedia

To answer your question in regard to the hypnotherapist:

She's under criminal investigation both as a POI in CC's murder case and also as to whether she violated laws against declaring or practicing as a psychologist without the proper qualifications.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Skai TV Apparently EM gave a "deposition" today, in which she claims she counseled C & B until mid-January and that aside from condolences, she's only been in contact with B once. She's denied that she called herself a 'psychologist,' that was the media's fault.

Didn't she say earlier that she couldn't remember the last time they met and that it was around Easter or something? She'd also told the press that she was in constant contact with B because he was in such an awful state? Am I remembering that wrong?

There's nothing wrong with your memory, there appear to be problems in the consistency of her statements.

Also, I myself read her professional bio and CV on the medical provider website and it definitely said (in Greek) both "psychologist" and "psychotherapist". These were deleted and replaced once the outrage from the psychological association started.

The media took her at her word. She's the one making these assertions. Spyros spells it all out in his article.

Hello! My name is Spyros Avgerinopoulos and i just wrote in greek an article about the supposed "psychologist" of Caroline Crouch. Προβληματισμοί για το πτυχίο της ΄΄ψυχολόγου΄΄ της Καρολάιν - Αποδόμησε τώρα