Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

I'm wondering if this has been turned on its face and she died hours before the alleged break-in.

That would make sense but how would she have had a pulse later than when he said he thought she was dead? He said he woke up and didn't hear her anymore. Maybe she had a pulse around that time. Or maybe the details are mixed up and her pulse stopped long before 4:00 am.

 

[Winterbells]

The latest evidence shows that at midnight on the fateful night, it appears that there may have been a confrontation between Caroline and her husband and the EL.AS. investigates what exactly happened.

According to what he said on the MEGA show, LIVE NEWS, the police editor of Vima and Neon, Vassilis Lambropoulos, the undefeated girl exchanged some messages with her husband, while the 32-year-old was in the attic and in the basement. From the messages and the phraseology, the impression is created, as it is transmitted that, the couple had a friction.

In the SMS there is phraseology that refers to friction, while the descriptions are in English. In fact, Live News reported that one of the adjectives used was "stupid", although it is not clear at this time whether this word was used on a volume or if it was used jokingly.

Γλυκά Νερά: Το τελευταίο SMS της Κάρολαιν στον 32χρονο πιλότο στο μικροσκόπιο των ερευνών

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Καταιγιστικές είναι οι εξελίξεις σχετικά με την υπόθεση δολοφονίας της άτυχης Καρολάιν στα Γλυκά Νερά που έρχονται σήμερα στο φως της δημοσιότητας, ανατρέποντας στην ουσία όσα γνώριζαν μέχρι σήμερα οι αστυνομικοί.

Τα νεότερα στοιχεία δείχνουν πως τα μεσάνυχτα της μοιραίας νύχτας, διαφαίνεται ότι ίσως είχε υπάρξει μία προστριβή της Κάρολαϊν με τον σύζυγό της και η ΕΛ.ΑΣ. διερευνά το τι ακριβώς συνέβη.


Σύμφωνα με όσα είπε στην εκπομπή του MEGA, LIVE NEWS, ο αστυνομικός συντάκτης του Βήματος και των Νέων, Βασίλης Λαμπρόπουλος, η αδικοχαμένη κοπέλα αντάλλαξε κάποια μηνύματα με τον σύζυγό της, ενώ βρισκόταν στη σοφίτα και ο 32χρονος στο υπόγειο . Από τα μηνύματα και τη φρασεολογία δημιουργείται η εντύπωση, όπως μεταδίδεται ότι, το ζευγάρι είχε προστριβή.

Στα SMS υπάρχει φρασεολογία που παραπέμπει σε προστριβή, ενώ οι χαρακτηρισμοί είναι στα αγγλικά. Μάλιστα, το Live News ανέφερε ότι μία από τις λέξεις-επίθετα που χρησιμοποιήθηκαν ήταν το «stupid», χωρίς πάντως να είναι αυτή τη στιγμή σίγουρο αν η λέξη αυτή χρησιμοποιήθηκε πάνω σε ένταση ή αν χρησιμοποιήθηκε χαριτολογώντας.

So here he is, back in the basement and CC in the attic.

 

[Tortoise]

But 'still had a pulse' at a specific time, suggests it was later than B's story, not earlier, right?

I'm not sure if the translations are accurate though.

 

[tayaway]

That would make sense but how would she have had a pulse later than when he said he thought she was dead? He said he woke up and didn't hear her anymore. Maybe she had a pulse around that time. Or maybe the details are mixed up and her pulse stopped before 4:00 am.

Hopefully LE will post a timeline soon, once they officially say whatever's going on today.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It seems to show that she was murdered after he said she was dead ?

But 'still had a pulse' at a specific time, suggests it was later than B's story, not earlier, right?

 

[Winterbells]

It seems to show that she was murdered after he said she was dead ?

Exactly!
but there wasn't time?

edited... oh yeah there was.
There was a gap between 'thieves exiting' and police called.

 

[caylee17799]

Never mind... they just announced what was already known...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

You mean back to the gang of robbers ?

Never mind... they just announced what was already known...

 

[caylee17799]

You mean back to the gang of robbers ?

No, no, no, my bad.... They just announced that he was transported from Alonissos to Skiathos and then flown to Athens today for questioning (clarified, "as the only witness to this crime"), as there was new evidence that couldn't wait. Stated that it could have happened yesterday, but they respected his wish to be at the memorial service today.

 

[tayaway]

Pressing.gr: B changed C's instagram after she died. Apparently that may be of interest to LE? I don't understand why, but I do find it controlling that B edited it after her death. Social media accounts are customarily supposed to be preserved as is when the user has died.

 

[MsBetsy]

So here he is, back in the basement and CC in the attic.

Maybe an argument started over text messages and then escalated from there. Apparently LE found data from the camera (maybe on the cloud?) that B was sitting alone with the baby in another room at 2:00 am. Maybe the card was removed shortly after that, which would show premeditation rather than a sudden act of rage. Imo

 

[tayaway]

No, no, no, my bad.... They just announced that he was transported from Alonissos to Skiathos and then flown to Athens today for questioning (clarified, "as the only witness to this crime"), as there was new evidence that couldn't wait. Stated that it could have happened yesterday, but they respected his wish to be at the memorial service today.

Transported? Like a prisoner? If it was for just another interview (what is it at now, #687,593?), couldn't they have flown him back out yesterday, in time for today?

 

[tayaway]

Maybe an argument started over text messages and then escalated from there. Apparently LE found data from the camera (maybe on the cloud?) that B was sitting alone with the baby in another room. Maybe the card was removed shortly after that, which would show premeditation rather than a sudden act of rage. Imo

Yes, there was an article that said the last vid on that camera was of B with their baby, on the downstairs couch, around 1 am, which contradicts his statement of all 3 of them already sleeping upstairs in the attic. I will try to find the article again to link.

 

[caylee17799]

Transported? Like a prisoner? If it was for just another interview (what is it at now, #687,593?), couldn't they have flown him back out yesterday, in time for today?

It was a very brief announcement, so I'm not reading too much into it... I'll wait for (hopefully) further official updates. However your question is absolutely correct.

 

[Winterbells]

No, no, no, my bad.... They just announced that he was transported from Alonissos to Skiathos and then flown to Athens today for questioning (clarified, "as the only witness to this crime"), as there was new evidence that couldn't wait. Stated that it could have happened yesterday, but they respected his wish to be at the memorial service today.

Couldn't he have made it back in time for the memorial service the next day?
He is, after all, a pilot.
Or is it that they're going to keep him for 'a while'?

rhetorical questions of course

 

[dotr]

Husband of Brit mum killed in raid flown to police HQ after 'breakthrough'
''But today, her husband, Babis Anagnostopoulos, was rushed to Athens after police said he was wanted for further questioning.

In the police's first official statement in five weeks, they confirmed the 32-year-old pilot was being questioned at the homicide department of the capital's police headquarters.

"The husband of the victim in Nea Glyka is at the homicide department of police HQ, in order to be examined as the only eye witness following new date that has emerged from the inquiry," the statement said.

One cop described the development as "a possible game changer."

"The new finds will be presented to him," the source told Sun Online.

"He will be called to answer relevant questions in light of this new development."

Local media said police were closer than ever before to tracking the killer although they did not elaborate.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm getting dizzy with all these scene changes.

So here he is, back in the basement and CC in the attic.

 

[MsBetsy]

Transported? Like a prisoner? If it was for just another interview (what is it at now, #687,593?), couldn't they have flown him back out yesterday, in time for today?

Well, that would have been the quickest way to get him there. There has not been an arrest yet. We can only speculate based on the new information reported in MSM.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

What they found is going to be "presented to him".

I've heard that expression before in crime cases...

 

[Patrick Jane]

3:10 reporter: (apparently referring to B's earlier statements to LE) "(CC) was killed with a pillow, which closed her mouth and nose" (suffocation)

this confirms my earlier speculation (in the first thread) that a pillow was used for the suffocation
we'll see if my speculation that she was attacked while asleep will be confirmed later. MOO