Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

I wrote about MY feelings and opinion - how would I know how a murderer thinks? I remember when I saw his post "Together forever" I got chills. It sounded like "If I cant be with you - nobody else will".

You're probably right. The most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she is planning on leaving. Imo

 

[Flurries]

I am heartbroken for this sweet child, and her dear mother, God rest her soul! I was sitting on the fence because the thought of the baby losing both parents was too tragic!

 

[Tortoise]

translated :

According to information, the police authorities managed to retrieve text messages from Caroline's cell phone with her husband on the night of the murder in a style that is characteristic of a friction between them.

According to the same information, it is alleged that among the recovered text messages there is a threatening sms from the 20-year-old to Babis Anagnostopoulos, that she will separate him and leave the house with their child, on the same night of the murder. That fact must be taken into account, "said Roni Bar-On, a Member of the Knesset for Kadima.
[...]
The camera on the ground floor recorded at 12 midnight on May 11 the 32-year-old Babi with the child in his arms. At 1:19 a.m. the camera on the ground floor was permanently interrupted. The robbers came much later, according to what the pilot himself has testified.

more to read at link
https://www.iefimerida.gr/ellada/ka...m_medium=os&utm_campaign=os_notification_2019

 

[dotr]

Google translate Albanian to English..
June 17 2021 rbbm.
Charalambos 'Babis' Anagnostopoulos - Google Search
Google Translate

''The Greek newspaper "Protothema" writes that investigators have enough information documenting that the killer of 20-year-old British Caroline in the eyes of the baby is her husband, 32-year-old pilot Charalambos Anagnostopoulos. The evidence is based primarily on analysis with the help of the couple's cell phone data technology and the victim's biometric clock.

"Charalambos Anagnostopoulos, the husband of 20-year-old Caroline Krauts, according to the evidence available to the police and which is considered sufficient, is her killer. The reversal of the investigation brings the pilot from the position of the devastated husband and father to the position of the accused for one of the most infamous murder cases of recent years. The data that according to the police prove the guilt of the 32-year-old pilot come mainly from the analysis with the help of data technology from the camera, the couple's cell phones, but also the biometric clock of the 20-year-old that showed the real time of death which did not match that. "Babis Anagnostopoulos testified", writes the Greek newspaper.

On Wednesday, the investigation took a sharp turn, when police, having new data available, asked Babis Anagnostopoulos to return to Athens from Alonissos to testify. In order not to show how serious these facts were and not to "scare" him, they accepted his request to stay another day in Alonissos, in order to be present at the memorial service for Caroline.''

 

[tayaway]

translated :

According to information, the police authorities managed to retrieve text messages from Caroline's cell phone with her husband on the night of the murder in a style that is characteristic of a friction between them.

According to the same information, it is alleged that among the recovered text messages there is a threatening sms from the 20-year-old to Babis Anagnostopoulos, that she will separate him and leave the house with their child, on the same night of the murder. That fact must be taken into account, "said Roni Bar-On, a Member of the Knesset for Kadima.
[...]
The camera on the ground floor recorded at 12 midnight on May 11 the 32-year-old Babi with the child in his arms. At 1:19 a.m. the camera on the ground floor was permanently interrupted. The robbers came much later, according to what the pilot himself has testified.

more to read at link
https://www.iefimerida.gr/ellada/ka...m_medium=os&utm_campaign=os_notification_2019

He may be a pilot, but he sure didn't have any smarts when it came to other technologies.

 

[MsBetsy]

That reporting was disproved - the neighbor actually said in an actual interview something akin to 'whimpering.' Again, please see our previous discussion and relevant links.

That's okay! I don't need to go back and review, I believe you. It would take me forever to find it. He may have dragged the dog by the leash and it defecated out of fear. Or if it messed in it's cage, he may have strangled it while still in the crate.

 

[Tortoise]

Έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: Τα στοιχεία που έδειξαν τον δολοφόνο
The article states that B has not confessed yet. Also, points out that the relationship was anything but smooth during the last months, and that Caroline wanted to leave, and take the baby with her, something that B did not accept.

the article also states (as well as his phone moving and recording steps)

"On the fateful night of May 10-11, Caroline was in their bedroom, in the attic of the maisonette. Babis Anagnostopoulos in the living room, together with the baby, as at least it appears from the last image recorded by the camera at 12.30, before the memory card was removed, which happened about an hour later. The couple reportedly exchanged messages.


At that time, Caroline was murdered because:


Her biometric watch records a sharp increase in her heart rate during this time and then this vital sign stops."


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I'm not sure if that means her heart stopped at about 1:30am?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I guess we'll find out more as time goes on.

 

[Deleted member 287721]

ΜΟΟ
If her husband is the killer, I'm thinking 2 possibilities, 1 that he killed her after an accident and 2 that he had organized it in his mind. If he had organized it, I think he did not do it well because obviously we see how many mistakes he made. I think it was a fight or something related and it is very likely that the dog wanted to go near Caroline after the girl was killed.

I also read that they had a fight and Caroline wanted to leave the house. So if she threatened to leave with the baby, it is very likely that he got angry and ended up killing her. Maybe then the dog was crying and trying to go near her so to stop him she hung him.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Do they have a time of death for the dog ?

 

[Deleted member 287721]

Until now noone is talking here about a confesion of the husband.. I don't know where this was written but someone mentioned it earlier.

I also wanted to note something about life imprisonment in Greece that had been mentioned. Recently, I heard that initially there is no law like in other countries which states that someone will be imprisoned until the end of his life. There is no such think and when we talk about life imprisoment we mean maximum 25 years. There have been convictions for more than 20 years in prison, but they just end up being released earlier.

Here, too, I would like to note that a very important factor that many believe plays a role in this is the fact that we have many people sentenced to life imprisonment but there is no room in prison for others. The problem is unfortunately big because of the capacity, the crime in general here and the financing of the prisons.

 

[caylee17799]

the article also states (as well as his phone moving and recording steps)

"On the fateful night of May 10-11, Caroline was in their bedroom, in the attic of the maisonette. Babis Anagnostopoulos in the living room, together with the baby, as at least it appears from the last image recorded by the camera at 12.30, before the memory card was removed, which happened about an hour later. The couple reportedly exchanged messages.


At that time, Caroline was murdered because:


Her biometric watch records a sharp increase in her heart rate during this time and then this vital sign stops."


--

I'm not sure if that means her heart stopped at about 1:30am?

I'm not sure either, Tortoise. I've heard/read reports that the watch showed an earlier TOD than the one they expected (based on B's story) and others stating that it was a later one (which doesn't make a lot of sense). In any case, it doesn't fit the original narrative, but I think it's better if we wait for a more clarified report.

 

[MsBetsy]

the article also states (as well as his phone moving and recording steps)

"On the fateful night of May 10-11, Caroline was in their bedroom, in the attic of the maisonette. Babis Anagnostopoulos in the living room, together with the baby, as at least it appears from the last image recorded by the camera at 12.30, before the memory card was removed, which happened about an hour later. The couple reportedly exchanged messages.


At that time, Caroline was murdered because:


Her biometric watch records a sharp increase in her heart rate during this time and then this vital sign stops."


--

I'm not sure if that means her heart stopped at about 1:30am?

I guess we can estimate that the murder happened some time between 1:30 and 2:00 am, based on that description. He removed the memory card around 1:30, then a short time after that her heart rate increased, then likely decreased until it stopped. Imo

 

[Alyce]

Ah yes, there it is!
Can't have your wife being allowed to do that, now can we.

This is absolutely the reason. Loss of face in front of his friends and colleagues.

 

[Tortoise]

If they had been arguing I wonder if he waited for her to fall asleep, given no defensive injuries on C.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Seems like she didn't have a chance.

Maybe she'd told him she and the baby were leaving in the morning.

If they had been arguing I wonder if he waited for her to fall asleep, given no defensive injuries on C.

 

[Alyce]

Do they have a time of death for the dog ?

I don't think they did an autopsy on the dog ( unfortunately )

 

[MsBetsy]

ΜΟΟ
If her husband is the killer, I'm thinking 2 possibilities, 1 that he killed her after an accident and 2 that he had organized it in his mind. If he had organized it, I think he did not do it well because obviously we see how many mistakes he made. I think it was a fight or something related and it is very likely that the dog wanted to go near Caroline after the girl was killed.

I also read that they had a fight and Caroline wanted to leave the house. So if she threatened to leave with the baby, it is very likely that he got angry and ended up killing her. Maybe then the dog was crying and trying to go near her so to stop him she hung him.

I don't think it was an accident, since he removed the memory card. That points to premeditation. A "crime of passion" is a common defense, but in this case it appears he had time to consider his actions. Imo

 

[Tortoise]

No wonder the neighbour didn't hear them rowing, it seems like they conducted their arguments over texts. Brilliant for police! Her phone must have been tampered with but it seems they managed to retrieve everything. He couldn't exactly say the robbers took it with them, because that would raise questions about why they left his, on the charger, IMO.

 

[Dotta]

ΜΟΟ
If her husband is the killer, I'm thinking 2 possibilities, 1 that he killed her after an accident and 2 that he had organized it in his mind. If he had organized it, I think he did not do it well because obviously we see how many mistakes he made. I think it was a fight or something related and it is very likely that the dog wanted to go near Caroline after the girl was killed.

I also read that they had a fight and Caroline wanted to leave the house. So if she threatened to leave with the baby, it is very likely that he got angry and ended up killing her. Maybe then the dog was crying and trying to go near her so to stop him she hung him.

I think that after the SMS fight and her threat of leaving him, he sat in the living room simmering with rage (midnight as camera showed). After an hour his rage built up to madness and he decided to punish her (1.40 camera was disabled). The rest is history. That he left so many clues means it wasn't premeditated days before but Caroline's fate was decided that night. Crime of passion. MOO