Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[Winterbells]

I didn't because he was plainly aware of the media camped outside and he glanced across at them after and then made it look as if he was just pausing to think and ran his hand through his hair, before he went back inside. Always the furtive glances to monitor if he was being believed.

I considered whether it was for the press to capture and watched it several times to try to work out if it was authentic. I felt that the kiss was really quick; almost like he didn't want it to be seen (embarassed to be seen to be so soppy) and deliberately kind of sheltered away from the press inside the porchway of the neighbour's house.
I even thought 'surely even the most adept and sophisticated of liars wouldn't think to add that little touch - kissing the cat goodbye'.
And how wrong I was!
And you spotted so many other details I didn't!

But his interviews bothered me.
I couldn't understand how someone who'd lost the love of his life only days earlier, and in such a horrendous way, could even begin to face talking about it to the press.
And if you watched those interviews without sound, his body language and facial expressions seemed to me to appear as if he was scared or angry, not shocked and bereft.
Shady behaviour, like eyes reluctant to meet the gaze of his questioners. Rapid blinking. Covering face as if he's concentrating/praying/hiding...
And the way, in his first interview, he was about to get into his car, but when asked a question, jumped back out and seemed confrontational and angry.
And defensive. 'The shock hasn't passed' 'Not as upset as I am'.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I'm waiting to hear him say why he killed the dog.

Was it there when he was murdering his wife and tried to protect her.

I can not bear to read anything else about the dog. But it is sadly important in the big scheme of things here...

 

[caylee17799]

That's no fault of theirs, though. Nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors. They apparently thought they had the perfect marriage and that is what they observed. We have no evidence that there were any warning signs.

Caroline was of the age of consent when they met, so there was nothing illegal about their relationship. Either way, there was probably nothing anyone could do to stop them from getting married. The only person at fault here is the person who killed Caroline and that is her husband. Imo

I didn't suggest that it was anyone's "fault", or that someone knew that she was in danger but failed to protect her. I'm talking about the Greek mindset, which indirectly leads to those type of crimes, and I do so as a female around Caroline's age who has lived here, in Greece, her entire life. Caroline's murderer was considered a great man, by everyone around her (except for her parents, whose opinion we don't know). Because he was handsome and a pilot, had money, took her to trips etc... She was considered (and possibly, was told that she was) lucky to have him. That could have possibly stopped her from revealing to anyone if they had any problems. She was also isolated from pretty much everyone she had grew up with, and the one person who could have sensed that something was wrong ("the therapist") jumped right away to defend her husband (who was accompanying Caroline to ALL of their sessions), and swore that they had a great relationship without any problems.
Some things are legal, but are still considered inappropriate. If 15-year old Caroline had a crush on a 28-year old that, by Greek standards, appeared "sketchy" I guarantee you that this would be a very different story.
To not derail this further, I'll say it again. B is the killer, the perpetrator, the one at fault. And, although I'm heartbroken for what that means for Caroline's family, and baby Lydia, I can say that I'll be going to bed tonight feeling relieved, because a killer is off the streets. And because I had suspected that this was the case from the very beginning. But I will also be thinking about what can be done in the future, here, in my country, to prevent this from ever happening again.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Greek husband 'CONFESSES to murdering British wife Caroline Crouch'

Greek husband 'CONFESSES to murdering British wife Caroline Crouch' sources say | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dotta]

Thank you, my friend.

I didn't have time to translate this video below for you all, and another translator did the translation.

But I wanted to highlight this part for you Dotta, because you will appreciate the nuance:



26:15 AK: "I want to believe (that the investigation) will lead to a (successful) result and maybe then we will (all) be amazed* . . . this I want to believe"

*be amazed: literally "rub our eyes" (because we won't believe our eyes)

I always appreciate when a true professional is talking. And sense of humour is an added bonus

 

[Winterbells]

I'm driving myself nuts entering articles into Bing translator (which won't let me translate too much material) and Google translate, but one of the many pieces I've read seems to be saying that the fake therapist gave the police some very useful info about the state of the relationship (suggesting not a good state). So it's possible whatever she said to the press was being managed by the police. All that stuff about how happy and perfect their relationship was etc.

 

[Tortoise]

There’s definitely a sense of Chris Watts about this case, somehow…

It reminds me of Oscar Pistorius. Ego threatened by the woman who is leaving, although he wouldn't admit it.

 

[Dotta]

Don't remind me!
I almost fell for that.

Dont beat yourself on it. It is said that Hitler loved his dogs. BUT I wasn't fooled hihi This scene was so fake it hurt my eyes

 

[catchingdelivery]

He's confessed! The piece of s@!$

I thought she may have wanted to leave him. The wording on that Insta 'tribute' just said it all to me, and I said as much on here. "Together forever. Have a nice trip my love." You'll never get away from me was the unwritten message in my mind, and a cynical retort (even though it was explained by another member that term is often used in Greek; to me it smacked of insincerity).

I agree, but sorry Babis, the world now knows your wife intended to leave and divorce you. She isn't yours and we won't remember her that way. She's Caroline Crouch, a clever young woman who had so much potential ahead of her, not a possession that Babis owned.

 

[Winterbells]

It reminds me of Oscar Pistorius. Ego threatened by the woman who is leaving, although he wouldn't admit it.

Yep.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm driving myself nuts entering articles into Bing translator (which won't let me translate too much material) and Google translate, but one of the many pieces I've read seems to be saying that the fake therapist gave the police some very useful info about the state of the relationship (suggesting not a good state). So it's possible whatever she said to the press was being managed by the police. All that stuff about how happy and perfect their relationship was etc.

I don't know how backing up the husband would help to corner him though. Unless they just wanted him to stick around for long enough to process the evidence. I still think she should have insisted on him not being in the therapy. She might have helped Caroline leave safely if she truly recognised his coercive control.

 

[Winterbells]

Dont beat yourself on it. It is said that Hitler loved his dogs. BUT I wasn't fooled hihi This scene was so fake it hurt my eyes

Thanks @Dotta
But it does worry me that my eyes didn't hurt.
I'm normally a complete sceptic, so it was unusual for me to wonder, just for that one naive moment, if perhaps he might be innocent.

 

[Winterbells]

I don't know how backing up the husband would help to corner him though. Unless they just wanted him to stick around for long enough to process the evidence. I still think she should have insisted on him not being in the therapy. She might have helped Caroline leave safely if she truly recognised his coercive control.

Definitely!
But she's a fake, so she hasn't been trained in the correct protocol.
I'm just thinking that the police wanted him to be lulled into a false sense of security for the time being. Like allowing him to attend Caroline's memorial.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes I know but I'd like him to account for his actions.

Like he confessed to killing his wife. I'd also like a confession to killing a poor defenceless animal.

I think it was an attempt to divert police away from him. He was after the shock factor. Heartless and cruel beyond measure.

 

[Angleterre]

Thank you. I'd also like to thank you for your many insights from your LE experience which you shared with us here, as they were very helpful.

You are more than welcome

 

[Winterbells]

I don't know anything about Greek criminal law, so not sure if 'crime of passion' is an accepted murder defence in Greece?
He certainly seems to be going for that look in his confession doesn't he?

 

[Dotta]

Thanks @Dotta
But it does worry me that my eyes didn't hurt.
I'm normally a complete sceptic, so it was unusual for me to wonder, just for that one naive moment, if perhaps he might be innocent.

It means you are a softie at heart Good for you and your family! When I said "fake" I meant it was done in the limelight at the front door. If he really cared he would have done it at the back door without witnesses. But who knows? Maybe he loves his cats (4 of them).

 

[Angleterre]

From day one, many people close to her, teachers, ex-classmates, even reporters, and random strangers, kept talking about her "perfect relationship", her "dream life", her "great husband", how she, at age 20, had experienced "things that others envy at age 40". Many people were quick to defend B, because he was "a Greek, a handsome, educated man, and he couldn't have possibly done this". They appeared happy on social media, they appeared to be living that luxurious, happy life, so there couldn't be a problem in their relationship. I kept reading everywhere "No way", "She would have told someone", "Such things (spousal homicides) happen only in the US, not here in Greece.". No one dared to say the obvious, that a 28 year old having a relationship with a 15 year old was wrong, from the very beginning. Even myself, it did struck me as odd at first, but I didn't give it too much thought. Don't let me start on the "therapist" and her whole involvement. Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shift the blame here, he was the one responsible, and I wish more than anything that he pays for this for the rest of his life. But I believe that, if there was a different mindset here, there is even a 0.01% chance that she would have been saved.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it, I appreciate it although I still don’t see , even with your kindly written explanation, just how society has failed to protect her and how things could be any different unless she chose to disclose her problems earlier. But I don’t want to labor this point and it detract from the fact that a beautiful young woman has lost her life and a beautiful child has lost her mummy forever and her father for a very long time. We shall agree to disagree but thank you for your kind response .

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I can not bear to read anything else about the dog. But it is sadly important in the big scheme of things here...

I agree, seems so unnecessary to kill the dog. I guess we have to be thankful he didn’t decide to kill the baby as well.

As aside, I’m still that Lydia didn’t fall off the bed. A crawling 11 month old is like lightning! Did he do most of the staging and taping himself up then put her there at the last minute? Or did he not care if she tumbled off and got hurt?

 

[Angleterre]

Definitely!
But she's a fake, so she hasn't been trained in the correct protocol.
I'm just thinking that the police wanted him to be lulled into a false sense of security for the time being. Like allowing him to attend Caroline's memorial.

Maybe Babis knew she , the therapist, was a fake and that’s why he hired her and arranged her a handsome irresistible salary, so that he and Caroline could attend therapy together and Babis primed her ( therapist ) with the messages and words that he wanted to be repeated to Caroline during these therapy sessions ????