Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[TootsieFootsie]

What was the talk about a witness, who was employed to do work on the maisonsette.

 

[Tortoise]

Would the police need to have Caroline's watch to have obtained this information about her pulse? Only I'm wondering if he left the watch on Caroline, which would have looked like another odd clue for the robbers being uninterested in it.

 

[Estelle]

When I put the last part of this link into google translate, it came up with this:

"The investigator has a lot of work to do. The case has a "tail". You do not kill your wife like that because she wanted to divorce you. Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes."

Mr. Katerinopoulos insisted 4-5 times that a house in Crete in the area of Souda was rented there and a visit made there in April by one of the members of the couple."

Κατερινόπουλος: «Η υπόθεση έχει ουρά- Ήμουν βέβαιος ότι ήταν ο Μπάμπης» - DailyPost.gr

CC was murdered the next month - on May 11. One of the members of the couple would have been Babis.

 

[Tortoise]

When I put the last part of this link into google translate, it came up with this:

"The investigator has a lot of work to do. The case has a "tail". You do not kill your wife like that because she wanted to divorce you. Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes."

Mr. Katerinopoulos insisted 4-5 times that a house in Crete in the area of Souda was rented there and a visit made there in April by one of the members of the couple."

Κατερινόπουλος: «Η υπόθεση έχει ουρά- Ήμουν βέβαιος ότι ήταν ο Μπάμπης» - DailyPost.gr

I also got this bit in my google translation:

Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. The perpetrator should explain where he found the black money "he said and added " these are facts that we can not tell publicly to the viewers. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes .

 

[Dotta]

The whole Fossto Tounel programme - 2 hrs and all in Greek of course.

 

[Dotta]

I also got this bit in my google translation:

Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. The perpetrator should explain where he found the black money "he said and added " these are facts that we can not tell publicly to the viewers. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes .

His wish to fly to Turkey??? He was made to wear bulletproof vest, was secured by dozens antiterrorists, transported by chopper, boat and jet. Hmmm

 

[Lola68]

Where did he get the money for the plot of land? Maybe he was using his helicopter to traffic drugs?

Nothing would surprise me in this case

IMO

 

[Winterbells]

It would have shown no one else was there.

But, I thought the card was removed at around 1.30am and he killed Caroline at around 4am (maybe I've got this wrong), but that would suggest that at 1.30am he was already planning to kill Caroline and stage a robbery?

 

[Skigh]

His wish to fly to Turkey??? He was made to wear bulletproof vest, was secured by dozens antiterrorists, transported by chopper, boat and jet. Hmmm

I did wonder about the bullet proof vest when it was first reported he was wearing one.
Seems as if the police were worried someone might shoot him to stop him talking.

Certainty there are more chapters to this story.

 

[Winterbells]

Sounds like this is going to turn into a series with several parts.

 

[shirleymaclaine1]

Well well well, turns out there weren't robbers after all, color me shocked, shocked I tell you. /end sarcasm

I am a little bit shocked that he confessed though but Greek law-enforcement did a great job at completely catching him off guard in every way, lulling him into a false sense of security, then catching him at a vulnerable moment, helicoptering him back to Athens. Job well done!

Of course take his confession with a large grain of salt, they're typically full of self-serving lies. Obviously there was a fight (via text), but I don't believe for a second that Caroline hit him. It's always the same with these guys "it's her fault, she made me do it."

While narcissistic wife killers are unfortunately a dime a dozen, his brutal murder of the dog ranks him right up there with the most despicable, a close second to Chris Watts who killed his wife, and his baby girls and dumped their bodies in oil tanks and then tried to pin the murder of the girls on his dead wife.

I also I'm not buying into any redemption for that fake psychotherapist. She says Babis asked her to say nice things about her marriage? I have a strong feeling that he paid her handsomely for that, and as well for those therapy lessons in which controlling and gaslighting Caroline was the objective. I hope I'm wrong because it's just too sad to think that somebody that could have helped Caroline did not, because money was more important. Of course now she's singing like a canary to save her own hide. So color me skeptical.

And like many of you, I can't stand to read anything about the dog, I just have a major soft spot for animals, I can't even bring myself to look at its poor picture, it will break my heart, in this case is already way too heartbreaking. Poor Carolyn. Poor Lydia. And all those who love them.

I’m with you 1000% re: the bit in bold.

 

[MsBetsy]

When I put the last part of this link into google translate, it came up with this:

"The investigator has a lot of work to do. The case has a "tail". You do not kill your wife like that because she wanted to divorce you. Caroline may have known something about his professional activities. "If at some point the truth comes out, everyone will rub their eyes."

Mr. Katerinopoulos insisted 4-5 times that a house in Crete in the area of Souda was rented there and a visit made there in April by one of the members of the couple."

Κατερινόπουλος: «Η υπόθεση έχει ουρά- Ήμουν βέβαιος ότι ήταν ο Μπάμπης» - DailyPost.gr

CC was murdered the next month - on May 11. One of the members of the couple would have been Babis.

I think people do sometimes kill their wives after they've asked for a divorce, or at least when they are attempting to leave.

Maybe in this case the motive is not what we were thinking. I wonder if that black car was connected after all.

 

[caylee17799]

Γλυκά Νερά: Έτσι σκότωσα την Καρολάιν – Πώς περιέγραψε ο πιλότος τις κρίσιμες στιγμές στους αστυνομικούς
I'm enraged. Up until this morning, everyone in Greece was grieving for Caroline. But now, that parts of her diary have been made public, and after B stated that he was scared Caroline could probably harm their baby, things have changed. Now I keep hearing everywhere "Of course I don't think that the murder is justified, but....

• "it turns out she was aggressive and she was belittling him!"
• "she was provocative while in high school and she made him fall for her!"
• "she didn't have to marry him, she could have left any time she wanted!"
• "by all accounts he loved her, her actions caused him to kill her"
• "his only fault was that he stayed with her through all her problems, and didn't break up with her or sent her back to her mother"

So poor B had to endure a relationship with a crazy woman that was abusing him and had seduced him in the first place, he even made the mistake to love her so much, that instead of dumping her, he stayed with her, until the point he couldn't take it any more and he killed her. That was not so nice of him but, well, she provoked him, and, under different circumstances, he wouldn't have hurt a fly.
I may have to take a step back from this case, because it's actually starting to take a toll on me as well.

 

[MsBetsy]

What was the talk about a witness, who was employed to do work on the maisonsette.

Yes, they said another man was also taken in for questioning, or something like that. I wondered if that was the man Babis reportedly got into the helicopter with. Imo

 

[tayaway]

Γλυκά Νερά: Έτσι σκότωσα την Καρολάιν – Πώς περιέγραψε ο πιλότος τις κρίσιμες στιγμές στους αστυνομικούς
I'm enraged. Up until this morning, everyone in Greece was grieving for Caroline. But now, that parts of her diary have been made public, and after B stated that he was scared Caroline could probably harm their baby, things have changed. Now I keep hearing everywhere "Of course I don't think that the murder is justified, but....

• "it turns out she was aggressive and she was belittling him!"
• "she was provocative while in high school and she made him fall for her!"
• "she didn't have to marry him, she could have left any time she wanted!"
• "by all accounts he loved her, her actions caused him to kill her"
• "his only fault was that he stayed with her through all her problems, and didn't break up with her or sent her back to her mother"

So poor B had to endure a relationship with a crazy woman that was abusing him and had seduced him in the first place, he even made the mistake to love her so much, that instead of dumping her, he stayed with her, until the point he couldn't take it any more and he killed her. That was not so nice of him but, well, she provoked him, and, under different circumstances, he wouldn't have hurt a fly.
I may have to take a step back from this case, because it's actually starting to take a toll on me as well.

To blame the female victim is common around the world, in most cultures.

 

[MsBetsy]

Γλυκά Νερά: Έτσι σκότωσα την Καρολάιν – Πώς περιέγραψε ο πιλότος τις κρίσιμες στιγμές στους αστυνομικούς
I'm enraged. Up until this morning, everyone in Greece was grieving for Caroline. But now, that parts of her diary have been made public, and after B stated that he was scared Caroline could probably harm their baby, things have changed. Now I keep hearing everywhere "Of course I don't think that the murder is justified, but....

• "it turns out she was aggressive and she was belittling him!"
• "she was provocative while in high school and she made him fall for her!"
• "she didn't have to marry him, she could have left any time she wanted!"
• "by all accounts he loved her, her actions caused him to kill her"
• "his only fault was that he stayed with her through all her problems, and didn't break up with her or sent her back to her mother"

So poor B had to endure a relationship with a crazy woman that was abusing him and had seduced him in the first place, he even made the mistake to love her so much, that instead of dumping her, he stayed with her, until the point he couldn't take it any more and he killed her. That was not so nice of him but, well, she provoked him, and, under different circumstances, he wouldn't have hurt a fly.
I may have to take a step back from this case, because it's actually starting to take a toll on me as well.

I was afraid that was coming. The same thing happened in the Watts case. People analyzed Shannan's FB and speculated that she was controlling and emotionally abusive, and poor Chris was driven into a fit of rage.

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Γεμάτη θυμό η μητέρα της άτυχης Καρολάιν - Δεν υποπτεύθηκε στιγμή τον 32χρονο πιλότο | Znews

C's mother never supected B

 

[Patrick Jane]

Thank you so much caylee. I know you are in the midst of exams at the moment, and I appreciate you taking time for that.

I wonder why they are introducing this with suspense/intrigue, I presume she has passed everything to the police, and this is not just about show ratings. I can't imagine it is, with K's involvement. Perhaps because it involves another person she has to wait.

I know the names and initials are confusing and hard to keep track of, but you mean AK instead of K.

Here's a reminder to everyone, especially those new to the thread:

K: George Kalliakmanis, President of the Association of Police Officers (in the region of) Southeast Attica
AK: Athanasios Katerinopoulos, Brigadier General, Honorary President of the Officers of the Greek Police

 

[Patrick Jane]

Thank you so much caylee. I know you are in the midst of exams at the moment, and I appreciate you taking time for that.

I wonder why they are introducing this with suspense/intrigue, I presume she has passed everything to the police, and this is not just about show ratings. I can't imagine it is, with K's involvement. Perhaps because it involves another person she has to wait.

AK has been making the rounds on Greek media, dropping hints and metaphors all over the place. I will post some translations and all of us sleuthers can see if we can figure out what is going on.

 

[Skigh]

AK has been making the rounds of Greek media, dropping hints and metaphors all over the place. I will post some translations and all of us sleuthers can see if we can figure out what is going on.

Thank you. That sounds intriguing..