Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[caylee17799]

At some points, when hearing/ talking about this case, it feels like it's the plot of a crime novel, or a CSI episode, and I'm almost fascinated by it. Then I remember that it is real. And that a 20-year old girl actually died. And, among all this mess, is a poor baby, who did nothing wrong, and is still oblivious to all the hardships she's gonna face in life, because of this case.

 

[Skigh]

If she wanted to hide from him it seems strange to tell his friend. I don't know why she wouldn't go to her parents, instead of being so far away with the baby. It must have been something very serious to warrant such drastic thinking.

I agree. I would have thought her first instinct would be to go home.

I wonder where the information about her visit to Crete is coming from.

 

[V347]

Regarding the screenshot on C's phone of B and the baby in the sitting room, I'm thinking it's possible she took it accidentally whilst checking to see what was happening in the sitting room (baby or B-wise). Or does it take a deliberate effort to take a screenshot from a cctv app? (just thinking out loud).

When checking our CCTV outside our house, I have accidentally clicked the apps internal ‘screen shot’ function before, so it doable and a realistic explanation

 

[Patrick Jane]

If she wanted to hide from him it seems strange to tell his friend. I don't know why she wouldn't go to her parents, instead of being so far away with the baby. It must have been something very serious to warrant such drastic thinking.

Maybe she needed him to fly her to Crete?
AK says that we shouldn't forget that during this period, because of the pandemic, there was a travel ban, yet apparently the spouse had means of air travel to Crete.

 

[Dotta]

I agree. I would have thought her first instinct would be to go home.

I wonder where the information about her visit to Crete is coming from.

Maybe she didn’t want to endanger her parents?

 

[Skigh]

Heartbreaking pictures show Caroline Crouch getting ready for her wedding | Daily Mail Online



Anagnostopoulos's parents meanwhile are expected to testify that it was Caroline who was verbally and physically abusive towards their son.

A number of family friends have also been summoned to give evidence on the claims.

While on the face of it the couple appeared to have a seemingly perfect life in their Athens villa with their one-year-old child and a number of pets, Anagnostopoulos has claimed that in truth, Caroline was physically and verbally abusive towards him.

He told a court earlier this week that his judgement became 'blurred' prompting him to kill her after she attacked him.

His lawyers have summoned the parents as part of their case that the couple rowed regularly and that on the night of the murder, Anagnostopoulos acted on impulse and did not plan it

 

[tayaway]

B maintains that everything he did since murdering C was “with his daughter in mind”.

Could it be that when C found out about his nefarious activities, he was given an ultimatum - kill C or we will kill your daughter.

And the black car outside was to send a signal to B that they meant it - and it had to be that night. JIMO

That's a great idea about the black Beemer! When you have to fly under the radar, quiet signals are the norm!

I get the feeling C might have been taken to Crete with whoever it was to create an impression with the landlord that the house rental was for a family or married couple whereas it was in fact intended to fulfil a criminal /business purpose.

Like a front, ya?

That must be the worker witness who was working on the maisonette.

Yes! Didn't he install the door after? Why did B refuse to have the door repainted? Was it to be a constant reminder to C that he can always break down the door/get violent if she doesn't behave?

Thank you I thought it would be easy for a sniper but it seems I was wrong. Well, I still think a GOOD sniper would succeed but dont mind me - Im very obstinate

Not all assassinations take place with the target in a slow moving motorcade, sitting in an open convertible in plain sight.

 

[Wishingwell]

Γλυκά Νερά: Περίεργα “παιχνίδια” του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου με “προφίλ” στα Social Media | Anatropi News

So B had a second SM profile under the name Babis Sofianos which is the surname of the owner of the helicopter company. This is so strange

I noticed some comments on FB referring to this. I find it odd too. Also he doesn’t seem to use the page, unless he has set it as private, but then he has used it to check in at a location on 19/03/2020. Seems strange he would do that when he has another active profile in his own name.

 

[MsBetsy]

If she wanted to hide from him it seems strange to tell his friend. I don't know why she wouldn't go to her parents, instead of being so far away with the baby. It must have been something very serious to warrant such drastic thinking.

Is this B's colleague who was described as being close to the couple? Maybe he was a closer friend to Caroline and/or sympathized with her and wanted to help her.

 

[tayaway]

in.gr June 24

"Financially Caroline's mother can handle the child issue. The accused himself said that every month Caroline's mother gave them 1000 euros to make ends meet ", he noted. (BBM)

«Οικονομικά η μητέρα της Καρολάιν μπορεί να αντιμετωπίσει το θέμα παιδί. Ο ίδιος ο κατηγορούμενος είπε ότι κάθε μήνα η μητέρα της Καρολάιν τους έδινε 1000 ευρώ για να τα βγάλουν πέρα» σημείωσε.

C's parents were subsidizing the pilot's pay??? ...there are too many layers to this onion.

 

[Seni]

So many twists and turns...who knows how this will all pan out?

As always, many thanks for the translations and local insights.

 

[Winterbells]

espresso.gr

While C was searching online for a place to take the baby and stay, to get away from B, he was surfing the net, and spent some time reading up on the story of a 20 something male who allegedly exposed himself to a woman. It's really difficult to understand the auto translation, but it appears LE is trying to figure out why B did this, after he had planned to kill C. Maybe it was because he was bored while waiting for C to fall asleep?

Μία από τις επισκέψεις του στο διαδίκτυο που προσπαθούν να εξηγήσουν οι αστυνομικοί έγινε στις 00.24 σε ενημερωτική ιστοσελίδα, στην οποία υπήρχε αναλυτικό κείμενο για τον αποκαλούμενο «σάτυρο της Νέας Σμύρνης», ο οποίος κατηγορείται για τέσσερις σεξουαλικές επιθέσεις.

Τα ερωτήματα που προκύπτουν και καλούνται να απαντήσουν οι ειδικοί της Ασφάλειας είναι πολλά… Για ποιον λόγο ο ψυχρός δολοφόνος διάβαζε για αυτήν την ιστορία; Πρόκειται για τυχαίο γεγονός ή μήπως όχι; Επίσης γεννάται το ερώτημα πώς είχε την ψυχραιμία να ενημερωθεί για ένα τέτοιο θέμα, ενώ, όπως δείχνουν τα αποτελέσματα από τις αναλύσεις στα ψηφιακά μέσα ηλεκτρονικών συσκευών που υπήρχαν στον τόπο του εγκλήματος, πιθανότατα είχε ήδη καταστρώσει το σχέδιο εξόντωσης της συζύγου του και μητέρας της 11 μηνών κόρης του Λυδίας και ετοιμαζόταν να το εκτελέσει!

Interesting that he was reading about a young man exposing himself.
Also interesting that has an alternative social media profile.
Did an ex girlfriend speak to the press or did I dream that?
Wonder if any other previous lovers (of either sex) will emerge.

 

[Dotta]

Interesting that he was reading about a young man exposing himself.
Also interesting that has an alternative social media profile.
Did an ex girlfriend speak to the press or did I dream that?
Wonder if any other previous lovers (of either sex) will emerge.

B's friend said that a former gf spoke of B in superlatives. Link was in the article "B a gentleman".

 

[Dotta]

Alleged mistress of B

Γλυκά Νερά: Ο πιλότος είχε ερωμένη που τον βοήθησε στο έγκλημα; | Youmagazine

 

[Estelle]

Fimes.gr: A whole lotta questions swirling around B, C's murder, B's history as a pilot, the criminal underground...

June 24, 2021

Babis Anagnostopoulos: Doom with scenarios for MPs, minors, mafia, child grooming. Because he really killed Caroline
The revelations of Thanasis Katerinopoulos and Angeliki Nikoloulis about Babis Anagnostopoulos in Light in the Tunnel have set fire to these questions. Well-known politicians, MPs, illegal activities and suspicious relationships have entered the mix and the result is explosive.

QUESTIONS being asked about the real motives of Babis Anagnostopoulos

1. His trainer stated that Babis was taken immediately after high school to the helicopter company to train him and then sent to England for further studies.

2. Why does the instructor, even before it turns out that the killer is his apprentice, keep his distance and constantly state that they have not had a relationship for years and that they have met two or three times for a coffee?

3. How accidental was the visit of burglars to his own house in Alepochori years ago and how did he manage to get the two out of the house and catch a conversation with them after they had already beaten his wife?

4. What was the company's relationship with Caroline's father, who was a senior British Air Force officer with a strong presence in the Balkans under Prime Minister Tony Blair.

5. What was the relationship of the company and the perpetrator with the pilot who was accused of transporting minors to Crete and why was the perpetrator looking to find a home in Souda?

6. Who are the two MPs he regularly transported to and from the island and how much are they involved in child grooming?

7. Why does the company give the pilot the freedom to ride the company helicopter whenever he wants? Who are the customers? Who and what did they transport and from where and to where?

8. Why 5 days after the murder, the president of the Union of Prosecutors and Deputy Prosecutor of the Supreme Court, Anna Zaire, hurried to immediately attribute the murder to foreigners? "Due to the influx of populations who do not embrace the same values for life as the Greek"

Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος: Χαμός με σενάρια για βουλευτές, ανήλικα, μαφία, child grooming. Γιατί πραγματικά σκότωσε την Καρολάιν

 

[Estelle]

Alleged mistress of B

Γλυκά Νερά: Ο πιλότος είχε ερωμένη που τον βοήθησε στο έγκλημα; | Youmagazine

It states in this article that B and the unknown woman went to Souda to rent a house.

That makes more sense to me than C going with B's pilot friend to rent the house.
The question is did this woman help B with the crime?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Aha!

Quelle surprise pour moi!

It states in this article that B and the unknown woman went to Souda to rent a house.

That makes more sense to me than C going with B's pilot friend to rent the house.

 

[Estelle]

More QUESTIONS which are circulating in Greece

What is the role of BMW that Nikolouli played in the previous show and why it was heard yesterday by the witness on the phone "they came to my house". Who came? security or some others?

Because since they had the registration number for three weeks now, you have not yet found who BMW is open to, when it is even placed in the area just before the time of the murder. Instrumental; Boss; Chick? What;

Ή Who or whom did the female killer notify after he committed Caroline's premeditated murder and what protection did they provide?

Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος: Χαμός με σενάρια για βουλευτές, ανήλικα, μαφία, child grooming. Γιατί πραγματικά σκότωσε την Καρολάιν

 

[Dotta]

Aha!

You were spot on from the beginning

 

[Estelle]

Even more questions

Η What is the relationship of the alleged psychologist Milonopoulos with the BMW owner and the other personalities involved behind the scenes in the case?

Why did the perpetrator pressure Milonopoulou to go to the channels and say what she said, as her lawyer revealed in an interview?

Why did Milonopoulou resort to security and ask for protection because her life was in danger?

Why did Milonopoulou's lawyer say that her client received threats and hired a private security company and that she fears for her life?

Μπάμπης Αναγνωστόπουλος: Χαμός με σενάρια για βουλευτές, ανήλικα, μαφία, child grooming. Γιατί πραγματικά σκότωσε την Καρολάιν