Ha ha - You might be absolutely rightSo it seems I'm not alone in thinking that the possibilities for CC's therapist to have anything of value to offer, concern CC's relationship issues/stuff about B's lifestyle etc.

Ha ha - You might be absolutely rightSo it seems I'm not alone in thinking that the possibilities for CC's therapist to have anything of value to offer, concern CC's relationship issues/stuff about B's lifestyle etc.
Am I understanding the story from the police is more or less as follows thus far:
No cctv evidence -Correct
No witness evidence- Other than B's, no.
No forensic evidence- Supposedly there is "minimal", that hasn't provided any breakthroughs to the case so far
No sign of CC struggling- Correct
B's hands were taped in front (not behind his back)-Correct
Unclear which door 'gang' exited-Supposedly the main door, although I think that's just an assumption. I could be wrong.
No links to Georgian man so far-Correct
I completely agree. But I can't imagine how the contents of sessions which were focussed on the matters you describe could be of any possible interest to the police.No need to apologize! It's just that her parents lived away, and were quite old when they had her. Also, It's possible that she felt that her friends and her didn't share the same experiences, for her to receive any helpful advice from them. Here, it's highly unlikely you'll find many 20-year olds being married with children. People of that age are even being treated as children (I'm a little older than her, and I know that as a fact!). So all that could lead her to seek help/advice from a therapist, and good for her if she felt that it was necessary.
Well, if, as another poster pointed out, she had marital problems, and told her therapist about them, it could give the police some ground to investigate B, possible reasons to want his wife dead etc. The police reporter yesterday said that her testimony "added another dimension to the case", which, combined with all those questions that are puzzling the authorities <modsnip>I completely agree. But I can't imagine how the contents of sessions which were focussed on the matters you describe could be of any possible interest to the police.
The first officers at the scene entered the house the same way the robbers did, because the front door was locked/could not be opened from the outside. I don't think I've read anywhere about the robbers exiting the same way they entered.B says front door, but didn't police say same way they entered?
It was supposedly a rear window, whose blind was open, so the "only" thing they had to do was remove the entire window (glass+frame), and enter from there. Apparently, while they were doing that, the glass fell from a height of 1.5 m to the floor (of the basement, I suppose), but did not break.Was it a rear window left open or was a window frame removed in its entirety or was it a window who's frame fell out,
There was an empty lot next door, that provided them with easy access to the house.Plus something about an empty lot next door.
I'm glad me and Patrick are able to help!Thanks @caylee17799
And thanks so much for all your hard work translating for us non-Greek speakers!
Thank you again, @caylee17799.Well, if, as another poster pointed out, she had marital problems, and told her therapist about them, it could give the police some ground to investigate B, possible reasons to want his wife dead etc. The police reporter yesterday said that her testimony "added another dimension to the case", which, combined with all those questions that are puzzling the authorities, leads me to believe that the police is already a little suspicious of him. Again, MOO.
The first officers at the scene entered the house the same way the robbers did, because the front door was locked/could not be opened from the outside. I don't think I've read anywhere about the robbers exiting the same way they entered.
It was supposedly a rear window, whose blind was open, so the "only" thing they had to do was remove the entire window (glass+frame), and enter from there. Apparently, while they were doing that, the glass fell from a height of 1.5 m to the floor (of the basement, I suppose), but did not break.
There was an empty lot next door, that provided them with easy access to the house.
I'm glad me and Patrick are able to help!
No need to apologize! It's just that her parents lived away, and were quite old when they had her. Also, It's possible that she felt that her friends and her didn't share the same experiences, for her to receive any helpful advice from them. Here, it's highly unlikely you'll find many 20-year olds being married with children. People of that age are even being treated as children (I'm a little older than her, and I know that as a fact!). So all that could lead her to seek help/advice from a therapist, and good for her if she felt that it was necessary.
Very good question. I've been skeptical of this "30 minute loss of consciousness due to hypoxia" as well. If his oxygen supply was completely cut off for 30 minutes, he wouldn't just lose consciousness, but probably suffer irreversible brain damage as well (which was almost certainly the case of the Helios 522 victims that are referenced). In our case, maybe he retained the ability to breathe (honestly, I can't see him doing that, if his face/mouth was taped as described), but most likely, he would need some sort of supplementary oxygen to regain consciousness.
(I am not an expert, but I'm studying medicine. Still, the above are considered MOO, based on what I've been taught so far.)
So, apparently, that "mysterious private citizen" we heard about yesterday, was the therapist, right?
First of all, thank you for your extremely informative post! I would say that, if we suppose B's version of events is true, then transient hypoxia does makes sense, considering the circumstances you pointed out (head covered in duct tape, him being in distress/scared, as well as trying to resist, which means increased oxygen requirements, failure to properly exhale CO2 etc). However, what's been puzzling me, as well as the authorities, as it seems, is that, apparently, he was in such a bad condition that he lost consciousness for 30 minutes straight, but then, without any intervention, such as someone removing the tape from his face, or providing him with supplementary oxygen, he just.. regained consciousness. On his own. And not only that, but he was able to remember that his cellphone was charging on the nightstand, then crawl till there, throw it on the floor, turn on the screen and call 100 by using his nose. Combined with other details from his statement, this all sounds like like a poorly-written CSI episode script.Given respiratory/oxygen physiology is my bread and butter (I'm an anaesthetist/intensive care doctor) and rely on ventilators and supplementary oxygen, the oxygen you require is completely dependent on a) how much you are using - being anxious/engaging skeletal muscle for fight or flight/increased heart rate etc and even pain can increase oxygen requirements many times over - you need a flow rate that provides 250ml a minute at rest for average 70kg male. It can be more than this of course that is required.
it might be difficult to obtain this purely via a nose - many of us naturally have deviated septums etc - then a struggling person would go limp, their muscles slacken, and oxygen consumption reduce, meaning it became an adequate flow rate again.
the other issue at hand is actually CO2 retention. If carbon dioxide cannot adequately be breathed out and exhaled it will accumulate and make you drowsy. Very drowsy. Almost dead lookingthis would be the issue with small spaces/insufficient fresh air and masked faces if the material is not porous (duct tape is not, filter masks are!). This i personally find a more physiologically valid reason for transient loss of consciousness.
the third medical reason is a state of traumatic fugue. It genuinely is a thing for trauma to eradicate the way the part of the brain responsible for transferring working/real time memory into storage. In high stress/cortisol/adrenaline the hippocampus which usually gives us a what/when/where context to emotional recall of an event just stalls leaving only emotion and no explicit ability to recall anything but fear and how we felt. That's the amygdala. I once met a man who saw his wife get murdered in Iraq, and he has forgotten who he and the rest of his family were. Even his twin brother. Twenty years later still no idea. Not faking it, his brain simply didn't even light up in the right areas of the functional MRI scannner when shown familiar faces/photos of his old life, unlike nurses he knew in the present.
i am growing increasingly suspicious again of the husband as you all say. The therapist wouldn't be relevant to random break in, unless she knew a third party knew about the money. I think they were having issues. Post natal depression can be incredibly serious and psychotherapy is the most evidence based intervention for mental health - GPs can only medicate not give psychotherapy, and the medications don't have the same wealth of success.
So yes, the transient hypoxia thing doesn't make a huge amount of sense, but also could be true physiologically (I've seen patients go hypoxic and drowsy just from shivering - you can measure oxygen consumption if they're on a ventilator, and it really does go up in high arousal states!)
No need to apologize! It's just that her parents lived away, and were quite old when they had her. Also, It's possible that she felt that her friends and her didn't share the same experiences, for her to receive any helpful advice from them. Here, it's highly unlikely you'll find many 20-year olds being married with children. People of that age are even being treated as children (I'm a little older than her, and I know that as a fact!). So all that could lead her to seek help/advice from a therapist, and good for her if she felt that it was necessary.
First of all, thank you for your extremely informative post! I would say that, if we suppose B's version of events is true, then transient hypoxia does makes sense, considering the circumstances you pointed out (head covered in duct tape, him being in distress/scared, as well as trying to resist, which means increased oxygen requirements, failure to properly exhale CO2 etc). However, what's been puzzling me, as well as the authorities, as it seems, is that, apparently, he was in such a bad condition that he lost consciousness for 30 minutes straight, but then, without any intervention, such as someone removing the tape from his face, or providing him with supplementary oxygen, he just.. regained consciousness. On his own. And not only that, but he was able to remember that his cellphone was charging on the nightstand, then crawl till there, throw it on the floor, turn on the screen and call 100 by using his nose. Combined with other details from his statement, this all sounds like like a poorly-written CSI episode script.
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Her FB page appears like a normal teen, hanging out with friends, doing the kick boxing things, and then suddenly, in 2017 (the year B saw her and immediately 'fell in love at first sight', there are no more photos, or posts. Did she keep in touch with her best friend or her other friends, and her kickboxing teammates, or did she, as a 16 year old, become cut off from all that upon getting serious with B?
Could be nothing, but I imagine the LE are exploring all avenues, ya?
Caroline is dead. I dont think confidentiality applies in this situation - especially if the therapist has her suspicions.Are therapist allowed to relay information given to them by their patients in confidentiality? Isn’t there a patient privilege? This seems to apply in Greece. Medical confidentiality: legal and ethical aspects in Greece - PubMed
I married at 18 .. separated at 19.... divorced by 21...I do see many women married to men 20-30-40 their senior. Romance is overratedDo you have any stats that back your claim women are attracted to men of a certain age, depending on how old their parents are?
She wasn't a woman when B 'fell in love' with her, she was a girl, a minor in high school, still a few years away from legal consent (18 in Greece).
ETA: World stats indicate that women in Europe are on average 2 years younger than their male partners, so the theory that women like much older men for stability is wrong.
I married at 18 .. separated at 19.... divorced by 21...I do see many women married to men 20-30-40 their senior. Romance is overrated