Gun Control Debate #4

[EuTuCroquet?]

True that, rsd, as I also discovered this evening! (h/t Jennifer17)

And, unless we happen to run across a little sentence in an article, many folks do not know this. Having owned firearms and knowing about bringing the old antique ones over, I figured we had imports, but not THAT many. It never hit me that it would be connected to that degree in keeping our gun laws lax either. What a spider's web.

 

[rsd1200]

Wake 'em up from snoozing in the recliner. It'll be good for everyone, imo.

:saythat:


A lot of our elders have experience, context and history to share. And elders can learn from the youth. Everyone wins.

My parents completely missed the 60s/70s revolution. I'll mention something from back then and they'll look at me like I have two heads. They were busy raising us, Dad's ride to work was an 80 mile round trip, and he worked five days a week, in addition, we also raised cattle, tobacco, hay, (all of which I helped with), and there were three rental properties on the farm at one time that he had to keep watch over. I never got to do anything on Memorial Day Weekend even after I left home. That was when Dad could be off work to get the tobacco set and he needed an extra hand, so, I'd get a call. No extra day off for me. lol So, that's what usually happens.

 

[Jennifer17]

My parents completely missed the 60s/70s revolution. I'll mention something from back then and they'll look at me like I have two heads. They were busy raising us, Dad's ride to work was an 80 mile round trip, and he worked five days a week, in addition, we also raised cattle, tobacco, hay, (all of which I helped with), and there were three rental properties on the farm at one time that he had to keep watch over. I never got to do anything on Memorial Day Weekend even after I left home. That was when Dad could be off work to get the tobacco set and he needed an extra hand, so, I'd get a call. No extra day off for me. lol So, that's what usually happens.

I think that your parent's may have fallen through a crack or were a little late for the 60s and 70s revolution.

 

[bluesneakers]

No. They do not want those lenient laws in their countries, they want to sell to countries with lax laws. It is about money, nothing else. Laughing their way to the bank.

No, they don't. I wonder if all of this tariff talk will have any affect on the gun manufacturers? Something tells me the NRA won't let that happen and there will be a special gun clause. (That's if the tariff war gets off the ground.)

 

[rsd1200]

I think that your parent's may have fallen through a crack or were a little late for the 60s and 70s revolution.

Maybe, they were 23 in 1960 and childless at the time. Dad was in the military stationed out of state and Mom went with him and they traveled where the Army sent him, til he served out, then they had us, and it was tending to us and work, and save for a family vacation once a year. You have to remember, too, that we live in Appalachia. My husband said folks here didn't really know about Woodstock either, which blows my mind, and he was 17 when that happened (I was in kindergarten). We were a bit isolated.

ETA: Also, they worked all day, Mom fixed a full meal, every night, go feed, plow, sow tobacco beds, bale hay, there's not a lot of time left. We only had three local t.v. channels and PBS, on a good day. Oh, and the local Sunday paper.

 

[Jennifer17]

No, they don't. I wonder if all of this tariff talk will have any affect on the gun manufacturers? Something tells me the NRA won't let that happen and there will be a special gun clause. (That's if the tariff war gets off the ground.)

No tariffs on guns.

 

[Jennifer17]

Maybe, they were 23 in 1960 and childless at the time. Dad was in the military stationed out of state and Mom went with him and they traveled where the Army sent him, til he served out, then they had us, and it was tending to us and work, and save for a family vacation once a year. You have to remember, too, that we live in Appalachia. My husband said folks here didn't really know about Woodstock either, which blows my mind, and he was 17 when that happened (I was in kindergarten). We were a bit isolated.

Why is Appalachia different? plenty of people in the world were much more isolated but still knew about Woodstock.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why is Appalachia different? plenty of people in the world were much more isolated but still knew about Woodstock.

My ex's parents were that age and very much aware of hippies and Woodstock. University students know what's up and even JFK made a big trip to WV in 1960. Everyone was in a union, and there was a big art scene at the time. By the 1970s people were saying "Hippies never die, they just move to West Virginia.*" WV was blue from 1960 to 1968, red in 1972, then blue in 1976 and 1980 (one of only 6!).

But the gun issue is now a big one in the state (I know WV only makes up part of Appalachia but it is what I'm familiar with) and no one who supports gun control or gets a bad rating from the NRA is going to win. Even the Democrat I most recently voted for got money from the NRA. I campaigned for Obama in the state and gun control was where the pitch would meet the wall. (Is that a mixed metaphor?) Anyway after his terms were over I wanted to call all those people back and ask how many guns he'd taken.

*Though I've heard it in reference to several places.

 

[rsd1200]

Why is Appalachia different? plenty of people in the world were much more isolated but still knew about Woodstock.

Things just didn't filter down to us until the rest of the world knew about it for awhile. Also, I think folks here didn't get electricity in a lot of places til late. My grandmother passed in the late 70s, never had indoor plumbing of any kind, and was still on a party line. Most folks t.v.s didn't even come in all that good. Maybe one channel. The last party line went out of my county in the mid to late 90s. Well, my cousin, now, has to stand in a certain place, in her home, to use her cell phone and my daughters drops connection every five miles. Our news, I guess was more agriculture focused too, from what I remember. Most stuff like marches, and, concerts, and such, just weren't news here. We had farms and such to tend to, to make a living. My husband said everything was about two years behind here. This region,had, and still has, a lot of poverty, and I can tell ya, when you're living below the poverty line, there's a lot of things you miss out on. You're focused on other things. I nearly starved during the 80s.

 

[rsd1200]

My ex's parents were that age and very much aware of hippies and Woodstock. University students know what's up and even JFK made a big trip to WV in 1960. Everyone was in a union, and there was a big art scene at the time. By the 1970s people were saying "Hippies never die, they just move to West Virginia.*" WV was blue from 1960 to 1968, red in 1972, then blue in 1976 and 1980 (one of only 6!).

But the gun issue is now a big one in the state (I know WV only makes up part of Appalachia but it is what I'm familiar with) and no one who supports gun control or gets a bad rating from the NRA is going to win. Even the Democrat I most recently voted for got money from the NRA. I campaigned for Obama in the state and gun control was where the pitch would meet the wall. (Is that a mixed metaphor?) Anyway after his terms were over I wanted to call all those people back and ask how many guns he'd taken.

*Though I've heard it in reference to several places.

My grandmother never drove, but, always had someone to take her to the polls. Never missed a vote til Alzheimer's. She had my mother drive her to the polls to make sure she got her vote in for JFK.

I guess my Mom and Dad, and family were in a different area, and were very focused on the farm as their second income.

 

[rsd1200]

Gun Debate Using Cats (clever)
No cats were harmed in the making of this video.
https://youtu.be/WxwPcUh97oc

Article:

Sometimes, humor is the best way to present an issue ― even a serious one. Alex Clark and his animation studio broke down the gun control debate in a way that the internet would surely understand: with cats.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...debate-using-cats_us_5aa2bc71e4b01b9b0a3afb2e

 

[human]

Memo to young people fighting for gun control: Talk to your grandparents

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...randparents/fQoSnZyioch37tl82xWZGL/story.html

Yup, That was me. I finally sense the same energy in the kids now. Like the Vietnam protests that iwere at an incredible time, I think these kids will have a tremendous influence of change.

 

[human]

But those young people are now old. What happened?

I am one of them as are all of my friends. We still fight for justice.

There are thise that were not invited to the party such as Rush Limbaugh who are bitter about being left out.

We will encourage the kids. We oldies are not considered relevant, I feel.

That is ok. We need the youthful energy.

 

[Karinna]

Yup, That was me. I finally sense the same energy in the kids now. Like the Vietnam protests that iwere at an incredible time, I think these kids will have a tremendous influence of change.

Yes more than likely you are right in what you say. Isn't it funny though how everything that used to be recycles itself again decades later, life is like some continual time loop that seems to loop back around on itself over and over again. And if that is the case there is never anything new under the sun. Humans never seem to learn from past mistakes it seems, it all comes back around. I wonder why that is? All IMO.

 

[human]

Maybe, they were 23 in 1960 and childless at the time. Dad was in the military stationed out of state and Mom went with him and they traveled where the Army sent him, til he served out, then they had us, and it was tending to us and work, and save for a family vacation once a year. You have to remember, too, that we live in Appalachia. My husband said folks here didn't really know about Woodstock either, which blows my mind, and he was 17 when that happened (I was in kindergarten). We were a bit isolated.

ETA: Also, they worked all day, Mom fixed a full meal, every night, go feed, plow, sow tobacco beds, bale hay, there's not a lot of time left. We only had three local t.v. channels and PBS, on a good day. Oh, and the local Sunday paper.

Late 60’s, earlu 70’s. The motto was, “Don’t trust anyone over 30,” so your parents were out of it.

 

[human]

Yes more than likely you are right in what you say. Isn't it funny though how everything that used to be recycles itself again decades later, life is like some continual time loop that seems to loop back around on itself over and over again. And if that is the case there is never anything new under the sun. Humans never seem to learn from past mistakes it seems, it all comes back around. I wonder why that is? All IMO.

There was no anti gun movement during the Vietnam protests except by Reagan who did not want Black Panthers to,have guns.

The idea of guns has totally changed. They used to be comsidered to be tools. Now the people think it enhances their “macho”. Silly, except the idea is deadly

 

[Karinna]

There was no anti gun movement during the Vietnam protests except by Reagan who did not want Black Panthers to,have guns.

The idea of guns has totally changed. They used to be comsidered to be tools. Now the people think it enhances their “macho”. Silly, except the idea is deadly

No they were anti War protests and a time of revolution more of a sexual revolution, peace & love revolution, The Make love, Not war era.
The hippie movement, sex, drugs & rock n roll etc. Protest songs big time, which i think are still relevant today too.
But also at that time the family dynamic was different as well, and most kids still had a mother and father unlike with the high divorce rates & all the single parent families we have nowadays.
But now we really have more or less the same, but a more violent culture, and still the endless wars that go on orchestrated by Govt.'s. What awful mixed confusing messages kids are getting. The music scene & entertainment industry promotes violence big time, and kids want to be cool so emulate all the nonsense they absorb it like a sponge. The more outrageous the better, and impressionable kids love it.

 

[KaaBoom]

There was no anti gun movement during the Vietnam protests except by Reagan who did not want Black Panthers to,have guns.

The idea of guns has totally changed. They used to be comsidered to be tools. Now the people think it enhances their “macho”. Silly, except the idea is deadly

I have to disagree with your first point. The anti gun movement was as strong as ever in the 1960s, with support from both Democrats and Republicans. After Kennedy was assassinated, the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed, with universal support. Even the NRA supported it. Then in the 1970s the NRA got all loopy, and the gun control debate turned into complete craziness.

Your second point I agree with 100%.

Gun Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia

 

[rsd1200]

Late 60’s, earlu 70’s. The motto was, “Don’t trust anyone over 30,” so your parents were out of it.

I honestly don't think they tried to get into it or knew it was going on... Now Watergate they knew about! My cousins from out of state, who grew up in the era, said they visited family, who hadn't seen them in awhile, during that time period, and they had on the clothing of the era, and the male cousins had grown out their hair. My aunt made them go around back to come in! She didn't know what on earth had happened to them! :laughing:Now my parents would let us dress how we wanted and listen to music and such but the style took a bit longer to reach us here too. Someone would move to the "city" and come back and be stylin'! Now cars, trucks, and tractors, everyone knew about.

My husband was 17 when Woodstock happened and I know far more about it than he does. I was born in the wrong decade.

 

[human]

I have to disagree with your first point. The anti gun movement was as strong as ever in the 1960s, with support from both Democrats and Republicans. After Kennedy was assassinated, the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed, with universal support. Even the NRA supported it. Then in the 1970s the NRA got all loopy, and the gun control debate turned into complete craziness.

Your second point I agree with 100%.

Gun Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia

I guess I should have been more specific. There were no marches for gun control. Old white men took care of it.