Gun Control Debate #4

[human]

I honestly don't think they tried to get into it or knew it was going on... Now Watergate they knew about! My cousins from out of state, who grew up in the era, said they visited family, who hadn't seen them in awhile, during that time period, and they had on the clothing of the era, and the male cousins had grown out their hair. My aunt made them go around back to come in! She didn't know what on earth had happened to them! :laughing:Now my parents would let us dress how we wanted and listen to music and such but the style took a bit longer to reach us here too. Someone would move to the "city" and come back and be stylin'! Now cars, trucks, and tractors, everyone knew about.

My husband was 17 when Woodstock happened and I know far more about it than he does. I was born in the wrong decade.

Your parents were too old. They were over thirty

 

[KaaBoom]

I guess I should have been more specific. There were no marches for gun control. Old white men took care of it.

Well yeah. There was no real need for any marches. Everybody was in agreement that guns needed to be controlled.

 

[human]

No they were anti War protests and a time of revolution more of a sexual revolution, peace & love revolution, The Make love, Not war era.
The hippie movement, sex, drugs & rock n roll etc. Protest songs big time, which i think are still relevant today too.
But also at that time the family dynamic was different as well, and most kids still had a mother and father unlike with the high divorce rates & all the single parent families we have nowadays.
But now we really have more or less the same, but a more violent culture, and still the endless wars that go on orchestrated by Govt.'s. What awful mixed confusing messages kids are getting. The music scene & entertainment industry promotes violence big time, and kids want to be cool so emulate all the nonsense they absorb it like a sponge. The more outrageous the better, and impressionable kids love it.

The hippie movement was despised. There was a movie “Joe where the hippie hating father ends up accidentally shooting his hippie daughter. Kids were very outrageous in those days, And we had the Panthers, SDS, Weatherman, communes up the ying yang, the Vietnam War televised every night at dinner time so you could watch the carnage while eating. The Civil Rights movement. The women’s movement. Changes in education. The energy of that time was incredible. The Panthers started the WIC program. The American Indian Movement. Alcatraz. Leonard Pelletier.

This is,the energy I am sensing from the kids today. It will have a life of its own and energize a whole new move forward

 

[Karinna]

The hippie movement was despised. There was a movie “Joe where the hippie hating father ends up accidentally shooting his hippie daughter. Kids were very outrageous in those days, And we had the Panthers, SDS, Weatherman, communes up the ying yang, the Vietnam War televised every night at dinner time so you could watch the carnage while eating. The Civil Rights movement. The women’s movement. Changes in education. The energy of that time was incredible. The Panthers started the WIC program. The American Indian Movement. Alcatraz. Leonard Pelletier.

This is,the energy I am sensing from the kids today. It will have a life of its own and energize a whole new move forward

My parents didn't even have a T.V. back then only a radio LOL. Although my brother & i were allowed to go to see a movie at the local movie theatre back then occasionally. And yes A.I.M. i am aware of considering my sig.
And with regard to your last sentence i guess we will see where it all goes? Those young kids today will be the adults of tommorrow, that will probably get as much say as anyone ever did with the Govt. of the day that get to call the shots on all the laws & rules they keep making for the people that they control.

 

[Karinna]

Well yeah. There was no real need for any marches. Everybody was in agreement that guns needed to be controlled.

Were shooting deaths & school shootings like they are now back in the day though? I don't recall that?

 

[rsd1200]

The hippie movement was despised. There was a movie “Joe where the hippie hating father ends up accidentally shooting his hippie daughter. Kids were very outrageous in those days, And we had the Panthers, SDS, Weatherman, communes up the ying yang, the Vietnam War televised every night at dinner time so you could watch the carnage while eating. The Civil Rights movement. The women’s movement. Changes in education. The energy of that time was incredible. The Panthers started the WIC program. The American Indian Movement. Alcatraz. Leonard Pelletier.

This is,the energy I am sensing from the kids today. It will have a life of its own and energize a whole new move forward

Now my friend, who lived in Indianapolis, during this time, recalls all of this and we've discussed it over the years. She is around both my first and second husband's ages. I am younger than both my ex and second husband by several years. My spouse has no recollection of any of this nor do my other friends, from here, in this age range. We were kinda isolated, I guess. Not that we haven't heard and learned about it over the years, but it wasn't a part of our culture, there were no "movements" here. When my friend moved here from Indianapolis, she went into culture shock.

 

[Karinna]

I do remember the "Beatle mania" back in the day & John & Yoko with their "Love In". Not too much with hippies, only that they were out there somewhere. And the Mamas & the Papas, If you're going to San Francisco be sure to wear some flowers in your hair,

 

[KaaBoom]

Were shooting deaths & school shootings like they are now back in the day though? I don't recall that?

I think it was about the same as today, except for mass shootings. Mass shootings just didn't happen like they do today. Because people did not have access to the type of weapons they do now. Also the type of people who are likely to commit mass murder were more likely to already be locked up in mental institutions in those days.

 

[rsd1200]

Were shooting deaths & school shootings like they are now back in the day though? I don't recall that?

There were school shooting but not as many deaths. Much higher firearm related death according to the data.

24.8 male deaths per 100,000 resident population in the United States in 1970[FONT=&quot].[/FONT] See link for more data

https://www.statista.com/statistics...ated-injuries-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1970/

 

[human]

Were shooting deaths & school shootings like they are now back in the day though? I don't recall that?

What is the point?

 

[Karinna]

What is the point?

Nothing much. Just wondering where it all got so crazy i guess and from what other posters posted it just reaffirms nothing much has changed really. It's always been like that in one way or another. That was also my point earlier, that nothing much changes over time, and probably never will regardless of what people try to do about it, IMO.
I respect others feel differently about it though.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

No they were anti War protests and a time of revolution more of a sexual revolution, peace & love revolution, The Make love, Not war era.
The hippie movement, sex, drugs & rock n roll etc. Protest songs big time, which i think are still relevant today too.
But also at that time the family dynamic was different as well, and most kids still had a mother and father unlike with the high divorce rates & all the single parent families we have nowadays.
But now we really have more or less the same, but a more violent culture, and still the endless wars that go on orchestrated by Govt.'s. What awful mixed confusing messages kids are getting. The music scene & entertainment industry promotes violence big time, and kids want to be cool so emulate all the nonsense they absorb it like a sponge. The more outrageous the better, and impressionable kids love it.

If we don’t like it, we can be the change. Let’s do more to raise “kids these days” if we don’t like em. Spend more time. Pay more attention.

Heck, even if we do.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

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[EuTuCroquet?]

Nothing much. Just wondering where it all got so crazy i guess and from what other posters posted it just reaffirms nothing much has changed really. It's always been like that in one way or another. That was also my point earlier, that nothing much changes over time, and probably never will regardless of what people try to do about it, IMO.
I respect others feel differently about it though.

I disagree. The only real constant is change. IMO

When things get uncomfortable, it’s a signal things aren’t OK. Pain can be a powerful motivator.

 

[Karinna]

I disagree. The only real constant is change. IMO

When things get uncomfortable, it’s a signal things aren’t OK. Pain can be a powerful motivator.

My reply was to a previous poster that asked me what is the point i was making in my post when i asked about mass shootings/school shootings a few decades ago, and in what other posters replied with links, it looks like nothing has changed in that regard. Just the weapons it seems have changed where access to weapons that can shoot a lot more people at a faster rate and to do more damage with those particular weapons.
And as far as pain goes, human beings have always lived with pain & suffering in this physical life. It is after all everyone's destiny to die at some point, and our human condition in a physical body.

 

[Tawny]

There will always be humans who want to do mass harm to others. That's been proven throughout history. That's also why it's up to each society to make it as hard as possible to carry out an attack like these school shootings.

It's why it's so hard to get mass amounts of fertilizer and park a huge truck directly in front of a government building. Because when someone used that method to murder dozens, we restricted access to those things. It's why we take off our shoes at the airport, because some ding dong tried to light his shoes on fire on an airplane. It's why you can't take box cutters on an airplane, because a few terrorists used them to hijack airplanes. It's why you can't yell fire in a theater, because some ******* did it to terrify a crowd, and that wasn't even something intended to injure others!

Society has the responsibility to make it difficult to carry out attacks, not shrug our shoulders and say there's nothing anybody can do. Clearly there is PLENTY we could be doing.

 

[rsd1200]

My reply was to a previous poster that asked me what is the point i was making in my post when i asked about mass shootings/school shootings a few decades ago, and in what other posters replied with links, it looks like nothing has changed in that regard. Just the weapons it seems have changed where access to weapons that can shoot a lot more people at a faster rate and to do more damage with those particular weapons.
And as far as pain goes, human beings have always lived with pain & suffering in this physical life. It is after all everyone's destiny to die at some point, and our human condition in a physical body.

My link, in my post, #829, showed a dramatic dip in firearm related deaths after 1990, and again in 1995. They stayed relatively the same until an uptic in 2015, for males.

www.statista.com/statistics/1869...ated-injuries-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1970/

I wonder what caused the uptic? Stress?
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[Karinna]

My link, in my post, showed a dramatic dip in firearm related deaths after 1990, and again in 1995. They stayed relatively the same until an uptic in 2015, for males.

www.statista.com/statistics/1869...ated-injuries-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1970/

I wonder what caused the uptic? Stress?
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Thanks for posting up the link. Interesting about the uptic in 2015, and you could be right about the stress causing it.
It seems to be a male dominated problem, so something definitely going on with the males it seems.

 

[bluesneakers]

My link, in my post, #829, showed a dramatic dip in firearm related deaths after 1990, and again in 1995. They stayed relatively the same until an uptic in 2015, for males.

www.statista.com/statistics/1869...ated-injuries-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1970/

I wonder what caused the uptic? Stress?
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Looking around a bit.. unemployment was down, wages were up, home sales were starting to go up again, GDP per person was on its way back up.

 

[rsd1200]

Your parents were too old. They were over thirty

I get that, but it wasn't here, period, even if they'd been the right age. Both spouses, and my friends, who were all, mostly, in the right age range to have been a part of that, missed it. The "movement" never came about here. I'm sure they saw something on National news but no one was organizing anything here.

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