Gun Control Debate #4

[rsd1200]

Fads and Woodstock? I have not posted about that. I think others who have only read about those days or saw shows on it may be posting that.

What I am talking about is the kids coming home in body bags, It was the poor and minorities at first. Then when the draft came and there were no more exemptions such as for college, everyone took notice. Rich and middle class white boys! No way!

My college boyfriend had a job at the airport. He unloaded body bags.

The protests were no joke and fun times although the times were totally electric. The intensity of life and death.

Back in the day, people that I knew had the TV on during dinner time to watch the news. We got the war with all of the bloody destruction for our daily dose. All in black and white, night after night.

Children burning with napalm. The Mylai (sp.) massacre. Villages strafed with napalm.

Kids coming back with missing limbs.

The intensity of it all. The songs. The street theatre.

Watts.

But no guns at protests except one I remember very well. kent State

We did not eat with the t.v. on at night. Dinner was family time. My Dad didn't get home til after news time most days anyway. My parents wouldn't allow us to watch the war stuff, they didn't believe we should see that. I was a baby in the 60s... I don't watch the news with my grandchildren here. They don't need to see that at their age. I remember catching some of it around Nixon era though. I do remember seeing that on t.v. I was mostly out on the farm though, tbh. Also, I didn't have any rich friends, if I did, they'd have been too young to be drafted when I was born. I only had one or two anyway and they were about the same as us. We were middle class but by no means rich.

This town sent their sons off, and hoped and prayed, for the best and mourned in private, is my best guess, b/c that's what we mostly do, now, if there's a tragedy. While it's a supportive region, people keep their pain to themselves. Crying is useless anyway.

The original comment was was referring to why people lagged off as they got older. I said, my parents missed the 60/70s revolution because they were busy with the farm, Dad's other job, his commute, and at that time the farm had three, older, family homes on it that he also took care of. You replied they were too old. Okay. Cool. I feel it was because they were too busy working and raising us. I was there, ya know...

In other words, raising us, and working, was what my parents did. My daughter who has always been very politically active since sophomore year in high school, has started slowing down now that she has children, a full time job, lots of kid stuff to attend, etc... As they start doing more, she'll be like my parents, and will have less and less time to focus on world topics. She'll probably be like me and get more interested as the kids start becoming self sufficient later on.

Then again, some folks just don't give a flyin' flip about politics. I've a child who is one of them. Says it is just; Two heads on the same snake. I tend to agree, but, I still listen for some strange reason.
I commented on the fads and Woodstock, it was just a comment. Oh, my gosh.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

If there are any military servicemen or servicewomen on this thread who might add insight into what civilians are facing from military-style weapons like these in mass shootings, I welcome it.

IMO

 

[rsd1200]

Exactly. I think the duck and cover ended in 62? Maybe earlier. I did it in elementary but do not remember them after that.

Apparently we didn't get the memo. Maybe they just merged them into tornado drills and called them the same thing. Honestly all I thought of was something coming out of the sky.

 

[rsd1200]

Speaking of Vietnam war, if there are any military servicemen or servicewomen on this thread who might add insight into what civilians are facing from military-style weapons like these in mass shootings, I welcome it.

IMO

I edited the part about Vietnam War having no place on this thread, out of there. I have friends who served. And you are correct, they probably could tell us a thing or two. My neighbor was a Green Beret in Vietnam, but I never knew til one of my other friends told me. He never speaks about his time in war. Neither did my uncle, til near his death. He had a purple heart. My other neighbor never talks about it either. He does fly the POWMIA flag.

 

[human]

As if hiding under your desk would have done any good during a nuclear attack. I feel awful for any kids who were traumatized by that madness.

There were a lot of books at that time based on nuclear annihilation. I read some. Scary. But not as real as getting killed by guns.

I think soon everyone will have some kind of relationship to getting killed by a gun. My best friend’s daughter and three friends were in Vegas right by the shooting. They wanted to go to the concert but could not afford the ticket.

My daughter was supposed to go but she had to work. It was a fortieth birthday girl’s fun trip. My friend’s daughter received PTSD therapy for free from her job. She works in a hospital in Minnesota.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Apparently we didn't get the memo. Maybe they just merged them into tornado drills and called them the same thing. Honestly all I thought of was something coming out of the sky.

Where I live bombing drills were still done into the 80s (Cold War). Our schools now have regular tornado and earthquake drills. I was out of school by the time Columbine happened.

If I remember correctly, a teacher on this thread mentioned their school had six active shooter drills a year. Ya can never be too prepared! [emoji854] Depressing, imo.

 

[human]

We Will Never Waver
Wayne LaPierre vows that when it comes to the Second Amendment and due process principles upon which our nation stands, the NRA will never waver.

https://www.nratv.com/series/wayne-...pierre-season-3-episode-1-we-will-never-waver

Over the bodies of your dead children, Your dead mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers,

 

[rsd1200]

Speaking of Vietnam war, if there are any military servicemen or servicewomen on this thread who might add insight into what civilians are facing from military-style weapons like these in mass shootings, I welcome it.

IMO

I'd be happy to ask one of them their thoughts if you'd like?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I edited the part about Vietnam War having no place on this thread, out of there. I have friends who served. And you are correct, they probably could tell us a thing or two. My neighbor was a Green Beret in Vietnam, but I never knew til one of my other friends told me. He never speaks about his time in war. Neither did my uncle, til near his death. He had a purple heart. My other neighbor never talks about it either. He does fly the POWMIA flag.

What are we doing to our children.

Lord help us all.

 

[human]

Where I live bombing drills were still done into the 80s (Cold War). Our schools now have regular tornado and earthquake drills. I was out of school by the time Columbine happened.

If I remember correctly, a teacher on this thread mentioned their school had six active shooter drills a year. Ya can never be too prepared! [emoji854] Depressing, imo.

Maybe someone else mentioned it as well. After Columbine, it was a Federal Law, I thought, to have the drills. I retired in 2011. My DIL teaches and said they are called active shooter drills and it is a new protocol with distracting the shooter and I do not know what else.

As a mother and a teacher, she is enraged and freaked out that our children are sacrifices to guns. It boggles the mind.

 

[rsd1200]

Where I live bombing drills were still done into the 80s (Cold War). Our schools now have regular tornado and earthquake drills. I was out of school by the time Columbine happened.

If I remember correctly, a teacher on this thread mentioned their school had six active shooter drills a year. Ya can never be too prepared! [emoji854] Depressing, imo.

I thought we did and I was pretty young. We were not super close but Ky has some stuff that could be targets.

 

[human]

We did not eat with the t.v. on at night. Dinner was family time. My Dad didn't get home til after news time most days anyway. My parents wouldn't allow us to watch the war stuff, they didn't believe we should see that. I was a baby in the 60s... I don't watch the news with my grandchildren here. They don't need to see that at their age. I remember catching some of it around Nixon era though. I do remember seeing that on t.v. I was mostly out on the farm though, tbh. Also, I didn't have any rich friends, if I did, they'd have been too young to be drafted when I was born. I only had one or two anyway and they were about the same as us. We were middle class but by no means rich.

This town sent their sons off, and hoped and prayed, for the best and mourned in private, is my best guess, b/c that's what we mostly do, now, if there's a tragedy. While it's a supportive region, people keep their pain to themselves. Crying is useless anyway.

The original comment was was referring to why people lagged off as they got older. I said, my parents missed the 60/70s revolution because they were busy with the farm, Dad's other job, his commute, and at that time the farm had three, older, family homes on it that he also took care of. You replied they were too old. Okay. Cool. I feel it was because they were too busy working and raising us. I was there, ya know...

In other words, raising us, and working, was what my parents did. My daughter who has always been very politically active since sophomore year in high school, has started slowing down now that she has children, a full time job, lots of kid stuff to attend, etc... As they start doing more, she'll be like my parents, and will have less and less time to focus on world topics. She'll probably be like me and get more interested as the kids start becoming self sufficient later on.

Then again, some folks just don't give a flyin' flip about politics. I've a child who is one of them. Says it is just; Two heads on the same snake. I tend to agree, but, I still listen for some strange reason.
I commented on the fads and Woodstock, it was just a comment. Oh, my gosh.

The draft was for all males. Before then, there were exemptions. One of them was for going to college. The draft ended exemptions although rich kids got out of it still using clever ideas and connections.

During college, I lived next door to the Vietnam Vets against fhe war. It is interesting with all of that weapon training that there did not appear to be any mass shootings, were there?

 

[rsd1200]

The draft was for all males. Before then, there were exemptions. One of them was for going to college. The draft ended exemptions although rich kids got out of it still using clever ideas and connections.

During college, I lived next door to the Vietnam Vets against fhe war. It is interesting with all of that weapon training that there did not appear to be any mass shootings, were there?

BBM

I'm well aware that there were Fortunate Son's out there. My cousin would have likely been drafted anyway, but he volunteered at 17 and went in fresh out of h.s..

 

[flourish]

ALICE Training Institute's "The Origin of the Lockdown," in pdf format, is good reading, and can be found here:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0tbSYIHQ2dLooNsFoGH4QL

For the last six years I have searched for the origins
of lockdown. Where did it come from and who developed
it? Why were specific procedures being followed when
they seemed to be counterproductive to survival in Active
Shooter events? Why was hiding considered the best tactical
decision in a building where every room is occupied by 20 or
so people? Why did we continue to use the same response
over and over again, even after repeated concept failure
occurred, expecting a different result? Blind optimism?
Denial? Naivety? Unwillingness to believe that this tragedy
can happen anywhere?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'd be happy to ask one of them their thoughts if you'd like?

Yes, please, if they’re able to share. Thank you! ❤️

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Sounds like the police in IL and MD need to start cracking down on criminals. If NY can do it, so can IL and MD.

What do you suggest?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

FAF actually had roots back to 2006. Operation Wide Receiver. ATF answers to the DOJ, who answers to the AG, who answers to the POTUS. The ATF needs more staff, to learn from their past, and to just stop walking firearms. Period.

So are you correcting me or agreeing with me? Sorry, it’s hard to tell sometimes.

Because I wasn’t disagreeing with your point.

 

[rsd1200]

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[rsd1200]

To clear all of this up, I merely meant that my parents totally missed the "Flower Power" movement and such. As did most folks around here. Yes, boys from here were drafted. Yes boys from here died. Yes some came home, and some came home with problems. As did their fathers, and their father's before them. There's something about fighting for one's country, in this region. We see it as honorable. None of the young men who went off to battle, knew, what was going on behind the scenes. No one screamed or spit on them when they came home here, but they didn't get parades, either.

As for the comment about Woodstock, it was a reference to that same time period, not flowing down to us. I probably know more about the culture during that time than does my spouse or ex spouse did, of whom, I'm much younger than, both. I've walked the streets of Haight Ashbury, to the Wall in D.C., and have a deep interest in our history.

The ones who weren't drafted, stayed here, in our town, and worked, and hung out, on the weekends.Two, who came home with injuries, and, who are both, now deceased, were friends of both my spouses, thus, friends of mine. Again, these are folks quite a lot older than me. I married folks much older than me. I've no use for young men. It is what it is.