Hailey Dunn General Discussion #2

[StrayKat]

Photos were at Shawn's moms. From what I remember.

 

[For The Kids]

Photos were at Shawn's moms. From what I remember.

Yes they were

 

[For The Kids]

Ok so we know what Billie says happened sunday (Hailey home at noon, lunch at 2, David leaves around 9, hailey playing xbox at 10) ... what do we know happened on Christmas day? Where were those photos taken? I recall one interview where it was said Billie and Shawn came in to Clint's Connie's house I believe. Is that where the photos are taken? When did Hailey get to Clint's? Was there a family get together where Hailey could have asked Del that? The "family" posed for photos but still planned a meal at home for boxing day, how come?

Even if she did see Del Christmas day ( which hasn't been mentioned either) why would she ask him to stay that night when she wasn't herself going to be at home that night? To be honest all I have ever heard is that they went to Shawns moms house and Connie Jones home.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

:what:

I get no pop up. . . and I wanted to thank you anyway, katydid, for all your great input! :blowkiss:

 

[Tugela]

Even if she did see Del Christmas day ( which hasn't been mentioned either) why would she ask him to stay that night when she wasn't herself going to be at home that night? To be honest all I have ever heard is that they went to Shawns moms house and Connie Jones home.

Maybe there is stuff going on that you don't know about. Stuff that they suspect, but aren't quite sure about, and certainly are not talking about. In a way it is kind of easy to point at SA as a sort of distraction if you think about it.

These people are all behaving like there is a big skeleton in the closet that they feel they can't talk about and aren't sure if it is related to what happened to HD or not. I think a lot of the often bizarre behaviour and statements stem from that. That is the only thing that makes sense to me, other wise it is hard to rationalize all they have said and done.

 

[For The Kids]

Maybe there is stuff going on that you don't know about. Stuff that they suspect, but aren't quite sure about, and certainly are not talking about. In a way it is kind of easy to point at SA as a sort of distraction if you think about it.

These people are all behaving like there is a big skeleton in the closet that they feel they can't talk about and aren't sure if it is related to what happened to HD or not. I think a lot of the often bizarre behaviour and statements stem from that. That is the only thing that makes sense to me, other wise it is hard to rationalize all they have said and done.

I am not sure what your trying to say but I will say I have had doubts that Shawn was actually there when Hailey was killed. I think its a possibility that there was an argument over the photos came to light and he stormed off and whatever happened to Hailey then happened. But you then have the question of why did Shawn claim Mondays events happen? Though I think its easily possible that Billie has something on him.

My personal opinion is that CG asked Del to go there after it came out about the photos and possibly Hailey asked him to stay as he says. Maybe he did really stop there that night. Would be interesting to know where he was when the text was sent to MB.

 

[lisette]

Another question is did Hailey ask him to stay before or after the photo reveal that day?

I'm sorry but I must have missed something about some photos. I have read several comments about some photos that day and I don't know what it is in reference to. Can somebody fill me in please?

 

[Knox]

The text pic discussion referred to above; look back to November 16, 2012.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I am just stunned there has not been an arrest or two in this case. I understand LE is trying to make sure they have enough evidence to get a conviction.......but if nothing else a couple of the primary people involved here have admittedly lied to LE. Giving a false statement to LE is a crime in itself. Perhaps being behind bars might give them incentive to be honest and stop lying to cover for each other.

 

[Tugela]

I know that I said that I wasn't going to post any more except for links, but I have just got to ask.....Why do you find it so easy to point the finger at anyone and everyone BESIDES Shawn the key suspect? You defend him tooth and nail, but are willing to say Clint might have done it, Naomi might have done it, and now Del might have done it. I just don't understand why you are soooo convinced that Shawn did not. It's like you over look every bad thing he has done but you are critical of everything everyone else has said or done. I don't get it.

Because of all the characters in the story SA is the one whose whereabouts are known most accurately, and the timeline leaves very little opportunity for him to have done anything. Plus, most of what he has said (as opposed to what other people have said) is consistent with the timeline. So far there has been no reason or evidence presented to doubt his account. Not only that, but serious allegations have been made against him (the stuff) by people who should have known better (LE), which later turned out to be groundless. That raises the question of how objective the investigation has been from the start.

There is also the problem of a complete lack of a motive or history of doing anything remotely like this.

That doesn't exclude him of course, there is still a narrow window, but it makes it unlikely. If he is to be seriously considered as a candidate then there has to be a reason for that beyond simply not liking him. I think there is plenty of reason not to like him, but that doesn't mean one should assume he is guilty.

You have to remember that what the characters have done or said in the past is not really relevant to the case beyond anything directly related to HD herself. That sort of thing in a court would be described as inflammatory and not relevant, so typically it would be inadmissible for that reason. We need to approach the case from that point of view, not based on an emotive assessment of the individuals involved. When you start describing individuals or situations in a case using emotive language, you are probably going off course and are not objective.

That said, I think he probably has a reasonable idea or suspicion of what happened to HD, and I think some of that is alluded to in the original affidavits - something which cast the eye of suspicion on him, since he appeared to know more than he should have.

The thing is, it appears the same could be said for just about every one in the case, which is both disturbing and fascinating. It suggests that there are a whole lot of unexpected twists in this case that are going to surprise us.

 

[Tugela]

I am just stunned there has not been an arrest or two in this case. I understand LE is trying to make sure they have enough evidence to get a conviction.......but if nothing else a couple of the primary people involved here have admittedly lied to LE. Giving a false statement to LE is a crime in itself. Perhaps being behind bars might give them incentive to be honest and stop lying to cover for each other.

Perhaps the statements they gave to LE where not false, and that is why they have not been charged?

 

[Tugela]

I am not sure what your trying to say but I will say I have had doubts that Shawn was actually there when Hailey was killed. I think its a possibility that there was an argument over the photos came to light and he stormed off and whatever happened to Hailey then happened. But you then have the question of why did Shawn claim Mondays events happen? Though I think its easily possible that Billie has something on him.

My personal opinion is that CG asked Del to go there after it came out about the photos and possibly Hailey asked him to stay as he says. Maybe he did really stop there that night. Would be interesting to know where he was when the text was sent to MB.

I don't know anything about photos, or why someone would be killed because of them.

IMO the most likely scenario is that HD died sometime on Monday evening.

Something that keeps bothering me is why DD would break into the house when he returned that afternoon, even if the door was locked. It seems to me to be an odd thing to do (unless that was just how they behaved in general). One thing that occurred to me this afternoon trying to imagine how a teenage boy would react in that scenario, what would be his motive for doing that? If the door was not normally locked, he might have thought it was locked for a reason and broke in to surprise the person inside "in the act" as it were. It is the sort of thing a teenage boy would do to one of his siblings, kind of an "Aha! Caught you!" moment.

 

[katydid23]

I don't know anything about photos, or why someone would be killed because of them.

IMO the most likely scenario is that HD died sometime on Monday evening.

Something that keeps bothering me is why DD would break into the house when he returned that afternoon, even if the door was locked. It seems to me to be an odd thing to do (unless that was just how they behaved in general). One thing that occurred to me this afternoon trying to imagine how a teenage boy would react in that scenario, what would be his motive for doing that? If the door was not normally locked, he might have thought it was locked for a reason and broke in to surprise the person inside "in the act" as it were. It is the sort of thing a teenage boy would do to one of his siblings, kind of an "Aha! Caught you!" moment.

I think, by Monday evening, she was already settling into her resting place. :rose: :star: :rose:

 

[For The Kids]

Because of all the characters in the story SA is the one whose whereabouts are known most accurately, and the timeline leaves very little opportunity for him to have done anything. Plus, most of what he has said (as opposed to what other people have said) is consistent with the timeline. The thing is, it appears the same could be said for just about every one in the case, which is both disturbing and fascinating.

He had from Sunday night to Tuesday afternoon. Plenty of time and we do not have a confirmed timeline for all that time. His timeline also differs to yours considering he claims he took Billie to work and that the co worker did on the Tuesday. The coveralls is one thing many people have a question about. Why does he claim they was handed in and Billie shouts from the roof tops that they was never handed in. They aren't both telling the truth so why are one of them lieing? If there innocent there is no need to lie.

It suggests that there are a whole lot of unexpected twists in this case that are going to surprise us.

Well I agree with you there at least. I am sure some people are going to be very shocked at what comes out.

 

[Frostess]

Because of all the characters in the story SA is the one whose whereabouts are known most accurately, and the timeline leaves very little opportunity for him to have done anything. Plus, most of what he has said (as opposed to what other people have said) is consistent with the timeline. So far there has been no reason or evidence presented to doubt his account. Not only that, but serious allegations have been made against him (the stuff) by people who should have known better (LE), which later turned out to be groundless. That raises the question of how objective the investigation has been from the start.

There is also the problem of a complete lack of a motive or history of doing anything remotely like this.

That doesn't exclude him of course, there is still a narrow window, but it makes it unlikely. If he is to be seriously considered as a candidate then there has to be a reason for that beyond simply not liking him. I think there is plenty of reason not to like him, but that doesn't mean one should assume he is guilty.

You have to remember that what the characters have done or said in the past is not really relevant to the case beyond anything directly related to HD herself. That sort of thing in a court would be described as inflammatory and not relevant, so typically it would be inadmissible for that reason. We need to approach the case from that point of view, not based on an emotive assessment of the individuals involved. When you start describing individuals or situations in a case using emotive language, you are probably going off course and are not objective.

That said, I think he probably has a reasonable idea or suspicion of what happened to HD, and I think some of that is alluded to in the original affidavits - something which cast the eye of suspicion on him, since he appeared to know more than he should have.

The thing is, it appears the same could be said for just about every one in the case, which is both disturbing and fascinating. It suggests that there are a whole lot of unexpected twists in this case that are going to surprise us.

I don't know what case you have been following but it's not the same one that I have been following. If you just look at the facts they speak volumes and you are basing the timeline on a known liar.

Fact 1: Shawn was the last person to see Hailey alive.

Fact 2: He is the one that told everyone Hailey went to a friends house when she did not.

Fact 3: He went into his job for only a few minutes that morning then quit and walked out for no apparent reason, then lied to people and told them he was fired.

Fact 4: Hailey's body was found on a back road that would only take one extra turn out of the way to his grandmother's house in Dunn. Not sure how long you think it takes to dump a body in a field, but my guess is just a few minutes just like dumping your trash on the side of the road.

Fact 5: Shawn failed multiple poly's and was not even cooperative in taking them.

Fact 6: He has an unhealthy fascination with the macabre.

Fact 7: He admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her family during a fight that resulted in Billie calling 911.

I'm not saying that others weren't involved in the cover up, but that is quiet a few reasons to believe he is and should be the #1 suspect.

 

[Knox]

I hope LE puts us out of our misery soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:scared:

 

[Paintr]

I hope LE puts us out of our misery soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:scared:

I was so hoping that there would be an arrest soon after the discovery. (sigh)

 

[Knox]

Well, BD's bro, DO who has been named in the MSM, and the one who failed at least one poly, maybe 2...was bonded out of jail on NYD. BD said he was at her house NYE, so I don't think it's a stretch to think he got pulled over NYE and he is prolly' where the info about the party came from.

Post # 77
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129773&page=4

I thought I remembered that Del had been arrested on New Year's Eve. So according to his news interview, he was in jail when Hailey went missing?

The other person who was poly'd was Eric Grimes. There was an interview with Grimes on the Ellis County Observer site (yes, that nutjob). It is no longer viewable, could not get it to come up in cache either. Maybe someone can find a copy on one of the facebook sites?

My point is, Billie never mentioned these two being at her home. Not on Sunday night, or on New Years Eve. Why is that?

 

[sreshowtime]

DO had an offense date of 12/29/10 in Scurry and Bonded out 1/1/2011. It was on Vinelink way back then. It's in my notes.
So yes he could have been around CCty the weekend of Christmas.
TIFWIW

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I don't know what case you have been following but it's not the same one that I have been following. If you just look at the facts they speak volumes and you are basing the timeline on a known liar.

Fact 1: Shawn was the last person to see Hailey alive.

Fact 2: He is the one that told everyone Hailey went to a friends house when she did not.

Fact 3: He went into his job for only a few minutes that morning then quit and walked out for no apparent reason, then lied to people and told them he was fired.

Fact 4: Hailey's body was found on a back road that would only take one extra turn out of the way to his grandmother's house in Dunn. Not sure how long you think it takes to dump a body in a field, but my guess is just a few minutes just like dumping your trash on the side of the road.

Fact 5: Shawn failed multiple poly's and was not even cooperative in taking them.

Fact 6: He has an unhealthy fascination with the macabre.

Fact 7: He admitted to threatening to kill Billie and her family during a fight that resulted in Billie calling 911.

I'm not saying that others weren't involved in the cover up, but that is quiet a few reasons to believe he is and should be the #1 suspect.

That puts it pretty succinctly, Frostess! Thanks!