Hailey Dunn General Discussion #2

[dannyodie]

Some things out there are only rumors or things that I don't personally know myself for a fact which is why I am not posting it here but from whats being said I believe they have more than phone pings. I also believe they have enough evidence to know cause of death.

I am not really saying that the pings is enough to convict on, it is just odd that in the area where she was found recently his phone was in that area around the time frame as to his whereabouts at a particular time, I just find that odd, don't you?

 

[For The Kids]

I am not really saying that the pings is enough to convict on, it is just odd that in the area where she was found recently his phone was in that area around the time frame as to his whereabouts at a particular time, I just find that odd, don't you?

I find all Shawns actions to be odd to be honest. But yes I agree.

 

[Knox]

my tee mouse, that pitcher of tea looks so refreshing!!! But I have to say no thank you to the sugar. I went to Dallas for a conference a few years ago, man was that tea sweet!!! Loved the fried dill pickles though

 

[Jacie Estes]

Knox, where I grew up in Oklahoma, the tea is so sweet it makes your mouth pucker.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

my tee mouse, that pitcher of tea looks so refreshing!!! But I have to say no thank you to the sugar. I went to Dallas for a conference a few years ago, man was that tea sweet!!! Loved the fried dill pickles though

Lol. Yeah, some tea could probably walk by itself the sugar's so thick.

Fried pickles sound good!

 

[Tugela]

You said we know she was going somewhere when she said she was staying with MB. In fact we don't. There is no proof whatsoever that Hailey was alive to even leave the house that afternoon. In fact everything points to the opposite.

I am not aware of anything that points to her being dead that afternoon. That is wishful thinking on your part.

There are however things that point to her being alive that afternoon. Such as the eyewitnesses, the earing, the cell text, etc. etc.

You say there was some sort of argument the night before (even though you say you didn't know her, so you are getting your info second, third, forth, seventy fifth hand?). So what? That doesn't mean she was killed that night.

Think about it - if someone supposedly witnessed this argument, and feels the need to bring you into the loop (but not LE), don't you think they would also have told you about witnessing her being killed as a result of this argument?

Or are you suggesting that there was this argument, everyone went home, and then she mysteriously died without witness or trace for no apparent reason?

 

[For The Kids]

I am not aware of anything that points to her being dead that afternoon. That is wishful thinking on your part.

There are however things that point to her being alive that afternoon. Such as the eyewitnesses, the earing, the cell text, etc. etc.

You say there was some sort of argument the night before (even though you say you didn't know her, so you are getting your info second, third, forth, seventy fifth hand?). So what? That doesn't mean she was killed that night.

Think about it - if someone supposedly witnessed this argument, and feels the need to bring you into the loop (but not LE), don't you think they would also have told you about witnessing her being killed as a result of this argument?

Or are you suggesting that there was this argument, everyone went home, and then she mysteriously died without witness or trace for no apparent reason?

Uncorroberated eyewitnesses you mean? as for the text message that was simply a red herring in my opinion. Same with the earrings. Unless there is any proof she was wearing them Sunday night or Monday the earrings don't prove she was alive at all on the Monday. As for what happened on the Sunday night I think you need to get a few facts right about what actually happened about all that. The information is out there and both myself and Knox have told you how to find it. In fact I posted about it months ago now in the parking lot so I am at a loss as to how you dont know? I certainly have never said that LE were not told. Obviously they was told about that and they would have evidence that can back some of that up. There is no doubt about that. Like you I wasn't there so I don't know exactly who was there when Hailey was killed but do I think its possible that some of Haileys family know what happened to her and haven't said? yes I do.

 

[For The Kids]

Take it for what it's worth ...

But at least someone who has spoke directly with LE feels there will be an arrest.

He thinks there will be two

 

[leighmarker]

IMO, if bd and sa are not guilty of anything, why do they tell lies? To me that speaks volumes. You don't lie if you have nothing to hide. Your story doesn't change. Both of them have some knowledge of what has happened.

 

[For The Kids]

IMO, if bd and sa are not guilty of anything, why do they tell lies? To me that speaks volumes. You don't lie if you have nothing to hide. Your story doesn't change. Both of them have some knowledge of what has happened.

This is what I don't understand also. Its not even like there little lies some of them are massive ones. Billie has a note book so that she can remember things she says but even with that her story changes drastically.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I wonder if the lying is pathological? THAT opens another can of worms.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I wonder if the lying is pathological? THAT opens another can of worms.

http://www.osric.com/university/pathlying.html


http://www.compulsivelyingdisorder.com/

 

[Soulmagent]

The neighbor who said he saw HD outside in the yard on Monday.

Why is he considered uncorroborated? It is because he was the only one who saw her in the yard?

Then we have the hair dresser who said she saw her walking on Monday , Why is she uncorroborated?

Then again a lady saw her later monday night...

Add in the reports of the dogs tracing her scent and the conflicted reports of Dad and his G/F seeing her on monday
I just have a hard time believing anything happened sunday night.

I dont know how eyewitnesses corroborate what they say without having a picture of the event. Not one but 3 witnesses. I will admit I put alot of weight on these sightings due to hearing the hair dresser talk about it herself when this story broke and the reports from the neighbor.

What I do not understand is no matter if those sightings are true ,it still doesnt mean SA isnt involved so unless LE confirmed IF they are true then SA cannot be quilty or is guilty based on them why did LE try to dismiss them unless these sightings are more important in the case on the investigative relm . I have never heard of a case where someone who saw the victim was reported as uncorroborated . It is an interesting way to deflect interest in the reports of the sightings.

 

[For The Kids]

The neighbor who said he saw HD outside in the yard on Monday.

Why is he considered uncorroborated? It is because he was the only one who saw her in the yard?

Then we have the hair dresser who said she saw her walking on Monday , Why is she uncorroborated?

Then again a lady saw her later monday night...

Add in the reports of the dogs tracing her scent and the conflicted reports of Dad and his G/F seeing her on monday
I just have a hard time believing anything happened sunday night.

I dont know how eyewitnesses corroborate what they say without having a picture of the event. Not one but 3 witnesses. I will admit I put alot of weight on these sightings due to hearing the hair dresser talk about it herself when this story broke and the reports from the neighbor.

What I do not understand is no matter if those sightings are true ,it still doesnt mean SA isnt involved so unless LE confirmed IF they are true then SA cannot be quilty or is guilty based on them why did LE try to dismiss them unless these sightings are more important in the case on the investigative relm . I have never heard of a case where someone who saw the victim was reported as uncorroborated . It is an interesting way to deflect interest in the reports of the sightings.

According to LE Clint and Naomi have been cleared so for me the Monday thing isn't an issue. I simply think Naomi got confused out of tiredness with it being Christmas and having a new born baby and being out searching for Hailey. As for the dogs you would expect Hailey to be going to her dads etc so the fact they maybe hit on that doesn't make a great deal and even then they cant agree on where the dogs did or didn't hit. As for the neighbor I believe he said she was on the phone. However phone records didn't back that up. I strongly suspect the lady who went to red box had a different date/time on her receipt also. Out of curiousity why do you have a hard time believing anything happened Sunday night given that Billie has lied so much about Sunday and the Monday morning?

 

[Knox]

Police say they do not believe recent accounts from Hailey Dunn's friends.

Recently, one witness said she was certain she saw Hailey Dunn on December 27th. Today, Colorado City police say they don't believe the accounts are correct.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=425467

"Police have told us surveillance tapes at both stores put Hailey there on Sunday," Clint Dunn said.

He said that Dennis Pharris, who was living in Walston's house, reported seeing Hailey in her backyard talking on a cell phone at noon Dec. 27.

"I have told the cops that his story is not reliable," said Walston, who added that he had kicked Pharris out of the house. It is unknown whether Pharris is a person of interest.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/19/official-rumor-untrue-missing-colorado-city-teen-h/

A woman named Celinda claims to have seen Hailey, Mary Beth and a strange boy at 8:30PM that night. Mary Beth and her mom both deny the girls were together and at this point.Billie says the woman is positive about this and even brought her a Redbox receipt to show the date and time. (Why bring her the receipt, and not law enforcement?) Upon further questioning, Billie admits Redbox doesn’t usually give receipts and says the woman says she got it “off of line.”

I found the above in about 5 minutes. Why is it that people continue to say there were eye witnesses who saw Hailey on Monday? No one, but Shawn or Billie saw Hailey after David left the house Sunday night.

If LE had credible sightings of Hailey on Monday, you can bet your last nickel they would have emphasized this fact coming forward. Billie herself has not mentioned any of these witnesses since shortly after Hailey went missing. IMO, there's good reason for that, they weren't true.

The earrings are also mentioned in the above story. Hailey spent Christmas night (Saturday, 26th, 2010) at Clint's house. She slept on the couch, took the earrings off and asked Naomi to put them up for her. Only one was found at that time, the other was found in or under the couch when Clint moved out of the house. Nothing nefarious there? Unless you take into account Billie saying that LE told her Hailey had the earrings on while playing the xbox Sunday night in David's room. I weighed that notion for a while, but discarded it as just another ploy she threw out there.

 

[leighmarker]

Fwiw, I just looked up my red box account and it show dates no time stamps. Could be different viewing on iPad vs. PCM. Anyone know?

 

[katydid23]

Also, those 'red ear clips' that supposedly put holes in your ears...my DD had a couple of pairs of those. [ thank goodness she decided it hurt too much]

But they are very cheap, and easy for kids to get a hold of. Clothing stores practically give them away because they want kids to have pierced ears so they will buy earrings in the future. So she proably had more than one pair, imo.

 

[Knox]

Respectfully snipped~

I have never heard of a case where someone who saw the victim was reported as uncorroborated . It is an interesting way to deflect interest in the reports of the sightings.

Let me list the cases where the victim was reported to have been seen after they actually disappeared ... The eyewitnesses who saw them, were "uncorroborated".

Jhessye Shockley
Isabel Celis
Caylee Anthony
Haleigh Cummings
Lindsey Baum

Leila Fowler's case also came to mind. While the neighbor did not claim to see the victim, she did claim to see a man who could have been the killer.
http://fox40.com/2013/05/02/witness-recants-in-leila-fowler-investigation/

I could go on and on, the threads here are full of similar sightings of victims which prove to be false. I for one am not deflecting to prevent interest in any credible sightings of Hailey.

 

[Frostess]

A little reminder of all the facts in this case. Let's look at the actual affidavits, shall we? Haven't seen these posted in a while.


http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

 

[Frostess]

The 2 most important pages of the affidavits. As you can see, Shawn was NOT cooperative and honest about ANYTHING.



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