Haleigh dumped in black bag?

[Steely Dan]

you raise some interesting points, especially about Misty, but in her defense, I heard very early on that she did indeed try to call Ron, & she also said in one of her last jail recordings, that Ron had ignored her calls...but these claims do conflict other claims, so who knows...also, I heard in an early interview, that the 1st thing she said when Ron got home, was 'do you have Haleigh', or 'is Haleigh with you', or something like that. & if there is any truth to that, that may explain why she didn't call 911...she was waiting to see if Haleigh was with Ron? But now, that she & Tommy are telling these Joe tales, I don't know if we should disregard everything said before, or what. Too many ****** lies. But, & I'm not trying to be facetious here, I don't think Tommy or anybody else needs to worry about Ron's wrath. He admittedly knows enough to testify, so he obviously knows who to blame, & he never did a thing, except hang & sell drugs with these people. I look for Ron to go to the pen, & to keep doing what he's always done...look out for Ron.

What I don't understand is what could Ron possibly know to help at any trial, and why would anyone believe him now? :waitasec:

 

[bessie]

What I don't understand is what could Ron possibly know to help at any trial, and why would anyone believe him now? :waitasec:

• I mentioned a couple of known statements from Ron the other night. Misty originally claimed that she was asleep from 10 pm until approximately 3 am. Now she claims she was hiding under the blanket in the same bed. Ron said the bed had not been slept in.
• In Misty's original version of events, she washed a blanket. Ron said there was no detergent.

Now that doesn't amount to much, but they're examples of the kind of testimony Ron could provide that would aid a conviction, even if he were at work when the crime took place.

Here are few stronger, but hypothetical, examples:

• Ron admits that he and Joe agreed to swap drugs for a gun.
• Ron admits that he and Joe fought over the gun.
• Ron testifies the gun was missing when he returned home from work that night. (Remember the noise in the background during the 911 call?)
• Ron testifies to other physical evidence he observed in the MH that night which refute Misty's and Tommy's story (whatever the final version might be).
• Ron testifies that although he suspected Joe (again, remember his statements during the 911 call), he didn't come forward with the information because he feared prosecution on drug and gun charges; and he feared losing custody of Jr.
• Ron admits he was holding the gun(s) for someone bigger and badder, and he feared retribution if he opened up a can of worms that would lead to that individual's name being revealed.

Ron's testimony would be credible because now the stakes are so high. Lying will fetch him a life behind bars.

ETA: Ron might also claim he kept quiet because he feared harm might come to Jr. That would win points with the jury because it makes him look less like a weasel. Whatever his reasons for withholding information, they would likely be presented by the prosecutor to establish his credibility with the jury who will want to know why he didn't come forward in the beginning.

 

[dodie20]

• I mentioned a couple of known statements from Ron the other night. Misty originally claimed that she was asleep from 10 pm until approximately 3 am. Now she claims she was hiding under the blanket in the same bed. Ron said the bed had not been slept in.
• In Misty's original version of events, she washed a blanket. Ron said there was no detergent.

Now that doesn't amount to much, but they're examples of the kind of testimony Ron could provide that would aid a conviction, even if he were at work when the crime took place.

Here are few stronger, but hypothetical, examples:

• Ron admits that he and Joe agreed to swap drugs for a gun.
• Ron admits that he and Joe fought over the gun.
• Ron testifies the gun was missing when he returned home from work that night. (Remember the noise in the background during the 911 call?)
• Ron testifies to other physical evidence he observed in the MH that night which refute Misty's and Tommy's story (whatever the final version might be).
• Ron testifies that although he suspected Joe (again, remember his statements during the 911 call), he didn't come forward with the information because he feared prosecution on drug and gun charges; and he feared losing custody of Jr.
• Ron admits he was holding the gun(s) for someone bigger and badder, and he feared retribution if he opened up a can of worms that would lead to that individual's name being revealed.

Ron's testimony would be credible because now the stakes are so high. Lying will fetch him a life behind bars.

& what he has to say, could be even more damning, hypothetically speaking. He could explain what his & Misty's babysitting argument was really about...who wanted who to watch whose kids...or he might have proof that Misty wasn't in the trailer that night, or he might even say that Misty spilled her guts & told him exactly what happened that night...& there's evidence to back it up? I can think of a lot of things, but we may never know until or if there's a trial.

 

[Snowbunny]

& what he has to say, could be even more damning, hypothetically speaking. He could explain what his & Misty's babysitting argument was really about...who wanted who to watch whose kids...or he might have proof that Misty wasn't in the trailer that night, or he might even say that Misty spilled her guts & told him exactly what happened that night...& there's evidence to back it up? I can think of a lot of things, but we may never know until or if there's a trial.

BBM

And I think that's what Mr Cummings is banking on "NO TRIAL," but not a smart move on his part because I don't think the SA would give him a plea deal as such if they didn't think at some point this would go to trial.

 

[legalmania]

I never saw any video, (although I heard about it), of Misty actually pointing out anything. Can you provide a link, if you have it handy? I'm just curious to see it.

Here is a picture of Misty on the dock this is the best I can do.

http://www.news4jax.com/image/23153384/detail.html

 

[Steely Dan]

Here is a picture of Misty on the dock this is the best I can do.

http://www.news4jax.com/image/23153384/detail.html

 

[dodie20]

BBM

And I think that's what Mr Cummings is banking on "NO TRIAL," but not a smart move on his part because I don't think the SA would give him a plea deal as such if they didn't think at some point this would go to trial.

I was thinking of something else...there has been some talking head speculation? that Ron wasn't entirely truthful about his work hours. Hypothetically speaking, Misty may have been gone, got home to a missing Haleigh, called Ron, he left work to 'clean house', (priorities), called his mom, went back to work, & then got back & had Misty call 911. This very well, IMO, could explain a lot, & may be what he recently told cops. Him not being accounted for at that time, could explain this case not moving forward? or Misty may have related the Joe story to Ron, & he left work. but that just doesn't feel right, to me. why not go after Joe & try to save Haleigh?

 

[dodie20]

yeah, that's her, but did you actually see her pointing? I'll believe you, I just want to know for sure.

 

[Emeralgem]

NG is the one who put it out there Misty was pointing to the water but to my knowledge eventhough she played the clip (she aired on her show) time and time again, no one ever saw Misty pointing at anything...JMO

 

[epiphany]

Reporter states on the video that M: "she was raising her hands."

Article states that the investigators were pointing to the water:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23153039/detail.html

Sky 6 photographer David Sprung said he spotted Croslin motioning to investigators at the dock.

It was unknown what investigators were saying to Croslin at the dock, but from their body language, it appeared intense as they pointed to the murky water. At one point, Croslin covered her face with her hands as detectives spoke to her. She spent only a few minutes at the dock before a female detective slowly walked her back to an unmarked patrol car.

 

[kant]

Originally Posted by LCoastMom

Kat, speaking from experience - you are right, many people on antidepressants have a very flat affect. When the choice is severe depression or what I call "the void" - the void can be a welcome relief. At some point hopefully they make the choice to start experiencing life again, good or bad, ups and downs included.

MC has always seemed 'off' to me - from the very first interview sitting next to her mom. Does anyone else remember - was Misty 'missing' from the media for about three days after Haleigh was taken? or am I remembering incorrectly?

This story just doesn't add up - Misty claimed her cell phone was left in the bedroom - she returned to the bedroom to get her phone after investigating the kitchen light being on - finding Haleigh missing - yet she didn't call 911 until Ron showed up???

If she grabbed Jr (from where?) to hide under the sheet - why not grab the phone and use it to call 911 - instead of listening to a 5 yr old baby being assaulted then watching her being placed in a black bag (when did Misty start seeing through sheets/blankets and/or walls?

These folks are not rocket scientists, how is it that Haleigh was brutally assaulted yet there is no word about any DNA being scattered over the home? or no arrests made over any DNA not belonging to the residents?

For gosh sake tears can be broken down to tell if they are from a male or female and even show if they are tears of sadness or happiness. This crew actually removed every trace of evidence, pointing at anyone? I find that hard to believe. Of course if trace evidence found, is only that of the residents and/or their close family members - it is hard for LE to point the finger at someone who belongs there.Why is Ron cooperating to get a deal, yet didn't cooperate from day 1 to help LE find Haleigh? Is Tommy headed to the same prison as Ron? Is Ron now planning to get his revenge? He said from the first phone call, if he finds the perp before LE, he will kill them - the threat of prison means nothing to him - I'm guessing it means less now that he will have a long sentence to sit out on the drug charges...

IMHO.. She wasn't brutally assaulted and as far as any of the players removing every trace of evidence from Ron's MH, IMHO the incident didn't even occur at 202 Green Lane.. It happened at the Croslin's residence on Magnolia or in the vicinity of Shell Harbor near the Croslin's residence...JMHO

Yes, another location would address many of the issues about which I've wondered since the beginning. Very interesting.

I'd love to read more about your (and other folks') thoughts on this, but not sure where to ask you to post it.

INTERESTING... and very sleuth-worthy imo.

moo

 

[epiphany]

VIDEO of Misty at dock:

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/23154159/index.html

 

[Steely Dan]

yeah, that's her, but did you actually see her pointing? I'll believe you, I just want to know for sure.

I didn't make the original post. The person who posted the picture only posted the link. I'm guessing because they didn't know how to post the picture. So I posted it to make it easier to refer back to if need be.

 

[kant]

I was thinking of something else...there has been some talking head speculation? that Ron wasn't entirely truthful about his work hours. Hypothetically speaking, Misty may have been gone, got home to a missing Haleigh, called Ron, he left work to 'clean house', (priorities), called his mom, went back to work, & then got back & had Misty call 911. This very well, IMO, could explain a lot, & may be what he recently told cops. Him not being accounted for at that time, could explain this case not moving forward? or Misty may have related the Joe story to Ron, & he left work. but that just doesn't feel right, to me. why not go after Joe & try to save Haleigh?

The whole idea of work has bugged me too. His insistence and repetition of the familiar refrain, "I was at work!" seemed to be reiterated even when no one seemed to be addressing him or when the question didnt seem to call for an answer requiring the mention of, "work." (I cant stop saying, "seem;" Someone please smack me.)

It struck me as kind of overkill as in, for example, (paraphrased)

Greta Van Susteren: "Misty, where were you in the bedroom when..."

Ron: "She was there.." (describing a position in the home) "..and I WAS AT WORK!"

gees dude. We heard you the first 47 times.

Also, I dont have a map handy, but the location of their home has only so few (or is it one?) way in and out by car and I wonder if the place where you turn onto the main road (by the railroad tracks i think?) had a camera.. like a traffic cam or a security cam. That is if the home is indeed where anything happened, but even so - when, and if, he came back to the home at any time during work hours would be interesting to know.

Also, it always struck me as weird and seemed to be a red herring of sorts or a ploy as in, "See y'all? I was HERE?" that he was on the cam at the quicky mart of whatever at that odd hour. I cant recall the details now off the top of my head, but I recall thinking, dang, if all that turmoil was ensuing, with all the frantic calling and whatnot, who stops off at a 7/11 etc for snacks? (Unless you want to be seen on a camera at such and such time.)

On a lighter note - and if I dont have a bit of levity here and there I burst into tears - it reminds me of that comedian who says that everywhere he goes, no matter how insignificant the purchase, he asks for a receipt in case LE ever mistakenly come after him for a crime he didnt commit. ("I didnt do it I was buyin a donut at 10:45 am on such-n-such date, filed it and saved it." heh) On a sidenote, he also says that he never errantly tosses a soda can or ciggy butt over a hedge. He waits to find a proper trash can, "because with my luck I'll toss my Dr Pepper over the bushes and it'll land, with my DNA all over it, on some deceased person." OK it's not that funny. Guess you had to be there.

What was my point. Yeah, the goings and comings from work and the supposed corresponding times struck me as hinky. Also, TNs reported story of the details of her arrival at the home hinked me bigtime.

moo

 

[Emeralgem]

Yes, another location would address many of the issues about which I've wondered since the beginning. Very interesting.

I'd love to read more about your (and other folks') thoughts on this, but not sure where to ask you to post it.

INTERESTING... and very sleuth-worthy imo.

moo

Kant, I can't speak for anyone else but here are my thoughts concerning the who when and where...

LE did state at one point they found no evidence of a crime being committed at 202 Green Lane.. They also stated they didn't know where the crime was comitted or what time it happened IF there was a crime committed..

When Sheriff declared this case a homicide, he was asked IF he thought the crime was committed in the Shell Harbor area.. He stated that was a good possibility..
The Croslins lived in a trailer on Magnolia.. Just a hop, skip and a jump from Shell Harbor...On February 9th Hank Sr and Lisa were in Gainesville because Hank Sr. had been in an automobile accident..

Nay Nay claims when she brought Misty back she took her to one of her brother's houses because Misty had to babysit ( which brother, we don't know).. However it was either Chelsey or Lindsey who revealed to AH Misty was staying at her parent's residence while her parents were in Gainesville at the hospital..
Witnesses have come forward and stated they saw Haleigh get in the van with Misty at the bus stop.. Some have speculated it wasn't Misty but Chelsey, Timmy's wife... Whoever it was... they drove off in the opposite direction of the MH located at 202 Green Lane...
Someone also revelaed Ron C showed up at the bus stop that afternoon and when he found out Haleigh got in the van, he went looking for Misty and the van...
I'm thinking when he caught up with Misty all hell broke loose..And the incident occurred at Hank Sr. and Lisa residence on Magnolia or in the immediate vicinity.. To my knowledge Hank Sr. and Lisa's residence on Magnolia was never searched or investigated as being a crime scene...JMHO..

 

[Whisperer]

We need to hear from the A/C guy. TN and ronnie seem to like this guy.. ron seems escpecially fond of him. They both never forget to mention him as being there. Dollars to donuts, he has something that will help ronnie.

 

[Whisperer]

They all could have been hanging out and partying at Lisa's while she was away. That makes sense. Ron was calling misty to babysit. She did not want to babysit. He may have left the kids alone in the house. Something may have happened while they were alone or misty could have got them from Green and brought them to Magnolia. She would need a car. She could have called nay...or she could have called wbg...or she even may have called JO. Tommy didn't have a vehicle till much later. He may have joined them later.

Maybe misty called wbg and met him at Magnolia. I recall him saying, "A man would be crazy to lay up with another man's woman in the guy's house"..

 

[bessie]

Kant, I can't speak for anyone else but here are my thoughts concerning the who when and where...

LE did state at one point they found no evidence of a crime being committed at 202 Green Lane.. They also stated they didn't know where the crime was comitted or what time it happened IF there was a crime committed..

When Sheriff declared this case a homicide, he was asked IF he thought the crime was committed in the Shell Harbor area.. He stated that was a good possibility..
The Croslins lived in a trailer on Magnolia.. Just a hop, skip and a jump from Shell Harbor...On February 9th Hank Sr and Lisa were in Gainesville because Hank Sr. had been in an automobile accident..

Nay Nay claims when she brought Misty back she took her to one of her brother's houses because Misty had to babysit ( which brother, we don't know).. However it was either Chelsey or Lindsey who revealed to AH Misty was staying at her parent's residence while her parents were in Gainesville at the hospital..
Witnesses have come forward and stated they saw Haleigh get in the van with Misty at the bus stop.. Some have speculated it wasn't Misty but Chelsey, Timmy's wife... Whoever it was... they drove off in the opposite direction of the MH located at 202 Green Lane...
Someone also revelaed Ron C showed up at the bus stop that afternoon and when he found out Haleigh got in the van, he went looking for Misty and the van...
I'm thinking when he caught up with Misty all hell broke loose..And the incident occurred at Hank Sr. and Lisa residence on Magnolia or in the immediate vicinity.. To my knowledge Hank Sr. and Lisa's residence on Magnolia was never searched or investigated as being a crime scene...JMHO..

Not trying to mince words, Em, but Hardy stated. "It's our belief this...that...that's a real possibility" when asked if Haleigh died at Shell Harbor. He says it at approx. 4:30 in the video at this link.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23164556/index.html

The initial crime, the assault -- if there was one -- and subsequent abduction, could've taken place elsewhere.

I did consider the Magnolia St. house, too, when we heard LE was canvassing the neighborhood for leads, and there was the neighbor who claimed to have seen Misty carrying a large trash bag. I haven't seen enough information to convince me, though.

 

[Emeralgem]

They all could have been hanging out and partying at Lisa's while she was away. That makes sense. Ron was calling misty to babysit. She did not want to babysit. He may have left the kids alone in the house. Something may have happened while they were alone or misty could have got them from Green and brought them to Magnolia. She would need a car. She could have called nay...or she could have called wbg...or she even may have called JO. Tommy didn't have a vehicle till much later. He may have joined them later.

Maybe misty called wbg and met him at Magnolia. I recall him saying, "A man would be crazy to lay up with another man's woman in the guy's house"..

Whisp, I really do not believe WBG is involved.. He stated he wished he had never heard of Misty Croslin..
However, I'm not convinced Ron C has not implicated him especially since he has been in jail for sometime now... JMO

 

[kant]

Not trying to mince words, Em, but Hardy stated. "It's our belief this...that...that's a real possibility" when asked if Haleigh died at Shell Harbor. He says it at approx. 4:30 in the video at this link.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23164556/index.html

The initial crime, the assault -- if there was one -- and subsequent abduction, could've taken place elsewhere.

I did consider the Magnolia St. house, too, when we heard LE was canvassing the neighborhood for leads, and there was the neighbor who claimed to have seen Misty carrying a large trash bag. I haven't seen enough information to convince me, though.

I could buy the notion of Misty with a bag or bags - not so much with Haleigh in it; But if something had happened and LE would be showing up at some point, I can see someone telling her (or misty of her own accord) moving things, dumping things, getting rid of things and doing a general cleanup.

moo