Haleigh's Great Grandmother Reacts to Somer Case

  • #21
I think that a big misconception is that because someone has refrained from placing blame on Ronald Cummings, Haleigh father, they are considered a "defender of Ron". Likewise someone who has refrained from placing blame on Crystal Sheffield shouldn't be seen as a "defender of Crystal"

Personally speaking, I am seeking truth and justice for a missing child.
 
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  • #23
I'm glad you were spared that ugly business.
Me too, I try not to look at blogs and twitters and the other nonsense now, it's all some people do imo.
 
  • #24
I think that a big misconception is that because someone has refrained from placing blame on Ronald Cummings, Haleigh father, they are considered a "defender of Ron". Likewise someone who has refrained from placing blame on Crystal Sheffield shouldn't be seen as a "defender of Crystal"

Personally speaking, I am seeking truth and justice for a missing child.

ITA. However, when anyone sweeps some of the things we see with our own eyes on TV, like Ron hedging and backpedaling about Misty's involvement, they see what he does, under the rug, one does have to wonder - does one not? Believe me, I have no evidence that he did anything, just suspicion which could have been cleared up had he spoken openly when NG asked him point blank.

I can't fault Crystal at all because she wasn't anywhere in the vicinity, nor can I see her relatives getting up the gumption to steal Haleigh and keep her hidden.

What I do see is RC & family acting a wee bit odder than they might - not like Somer's mother who was right out in the open with her facts and her grief. RC & the rest make me wonder because I have never seen this openess from them, just double talk.

Yeah, I'm on Haleigh's side, but something happened to her and someone does know something. All we have to go on is what the players in this tragedy do and say and, from what I've seen of the Cummings group, their words and actions just don't fit. But, this is only my opinion and I'm sure yours is just as valid as mine.

What are you basing your feelings/assumptions on? I'm sure you don't sit here day after day saying, "I hope Haleigh comes home, I hope Haleigh comes home." Surely you have reached some conclusions. What are your conclusions? I'm seriously interested.
 
  • #25
ITA. However, when anyone sweeps some of the things we see with our own eyes on TV, like Ron hedging and backpedaling about Misty's involvement, they see what he does, one does have to wonder - does one not? Believe me, I have no evidence that he did anything, just suspicion which could have been cleared up had he spoken openly when NG asked him point blank.

I can't fault Crystal at all because she wasn't anywhere in the vicinity, nor can I see her relatives getting up the gumption to steal Haleigh and keep her hidden.

What I do see is RC & family acting a wee bit odder than they might - not like Somer's mother who was right out in the open with her facts and her grief. RC & the rest make me wonder because I have never seen this openess from them, just double talk.

Yeah, I'm on Haleigh's side, but something happened to her and someone does know something. All we have to go on is what the players in this tragedy do and say and, from what I've seen of the Cummings group, their words and actions just don't fit. But, this is only my opinion and I'm sure yours is just as valid as mine.

What are you basing your feelings/assumptions on? I'm sure you don't sit here day after day saying, "I hope Haleigh comes home, I hope Haleigh comes home." Surely you have reached some conclusions. What are your conclusions? I'm seriously interested.

Allow me to preface my post by stating that this post is intended to answer Tridents question only and most might choose to scroll on by.:twocents:

Trident I 100% understand your position. I have never attempted to sweep anything away in this case. I have a problem with placing the blame of a missing child's whereabouts on her mother or father without ample evidence. I have been following Haleigh's case since the very beginning, since when Haleigh had just the one thread for all discussion in her case much like the one with Somer now. It is difficult for me to simply look past all the information presented to us back in the beginning of this case. I am talking about watching the news reports of Ronald Cummings on horseback riding beside Tim Miller of Texas E. when the group first went to Satsuma to assist in the search for Haleigh. I am talking about watching Crystal kneel beside Ronald and console him when she made it to Satsuma after Haleigh went missing. I am talking about reading articles such as this one: http://www.wesh.com/news/18722551/detail.html

in which Ronald Cummings begged and pleaded with Tim Miller to not leave Satsuma, and to keep searching for Haleigh. I remember how he pleaded for permission to bring the horses back in.

Of course I have read all the court documents, of course I have read all the past charges against many major players in this case, but I have yet to hear Law Enforcement draw a direct correlation to any of those things. I believe that PCSO knows Ronald Cummings's past better than any of us here and they have never considered him a suspect. Make no mistake...if they ever do, I will be the first in line to sleuth out his connection or involvement. I just will not disrespect Haleigh's obvious love and relationship for her father or her mother Crystal for that matter.

Misty is a different story and I truly wish that since Law Enforcement has labeled her as the person with the inconsistencies, they would make an arrest or at least use her recent run-ins with Law Enforcement to their advantage and put her behind bars where she might feel a little bit of pressure.
 
  • #26
nice post and to some extent I agree, but I don't believe Misty acted alone, nor do I believe RC would have taken NO for an answer if he didn't have something to hide. But, then again, I really don't know. I do agree Haleigh is first and foremost and maybe there is another/different avenue that needs to be explored. Any ideas?
 
  • #27
nice post and to some extent I agree, but I don't believe Misty acted alone, nor do I believe RC would have taken NO for an answer if he didn't have something to hide. But, then again, I really don't know. I do agree Haleigh is first and foremost and maybe there is another/different avenue that needs to be explored. Any ideas?

lol...many, all throughout any and all of Haleigh's forum. Over the past few months I have worked through so many different thoughts and theories I can't even count. Currently I am waiting to see if PCSO offers any new info from Misty Croslin. After the incident at the apartment with the purse snatching we heard that police would try and track Misty down and interview her. Since the divorce between Ronald and Misty is now final and Misty is no longer being "harbored" as many describe, I am hoping that new information will surface.
 
  • #28
nice post and to some extent I agree, but I don't believe Misty acted alone, nor do I believe RC would have taken NO for an answer if he didn't have something to hide. But, then again, I really don't know. I do agree Haleigh is first and foremost and maybe there is another/different avenue that needs to be explored. Any ideas?

Yeah, I have a hard time believing Ron would just be ok with all the problems LE have with Misty, if he was so in love with her and blinded, they would still be married- Now hes on Maury, fails to mention how LE think his ex is the key to finding her, they did not once plea if anyone saw Misty that night to please talk-

Something is wrong-

jmo
 
  • #29
LE cannot drag Misty in to talk to her. The best they can do is extend an invitation. When she turns 18, maybe they can go to her door and ask her questions. She doesn't have to answer but at least they can go there and try...but not now.

She knows she can go there anytime and they will be happy to spend time with her. OTOH, so does RC...but he has lawyered up an to my kge has only made one appearance and that was to talk about the phone records in late AUG. He showed up with Shoemaker by his side. Pretty clear to me that RC is scared to talk to LE....the question is WHY?
 
  • #30
ITA. However, when anyone sweeps some of the things we see with our own eyes on TV, like Ron hedging and backpedaling about Misty's involvement, they see what he does, under the rug, one does have to wonder - does one not? Believe me, I have no evidence that he did anything, just suspicion which could have been cleared up had he spoken openly when NG asked him point blank.

I can't fault Crystal at all because she wasn't anywhere in the vicinity, nor can I see her relatives getting up the gumption to steal Haleigh and keep her hidden.

What I do see is RC & family acting a wee bit odder than they might - not like Somer's mother who was right out in the open with her facts and her grief. RC & the rest make me wonder because I have never seen this openess from them, just double talk.

Yeah, I'm on Haleigh's side, but something happened to her and someone does know something. All we have to go on is what the players in this tragedy do and say and, from what I've seen of the Cummings group, their words and actions just don't fit. But, this is only my opinion and I'm sure yours is just as valid as mine.

What are you basing your feelings/assumptions on? I'm sure you don't sit here day after day saying, "I hope Haleigh comes home, I hope Haleigh comes home." Surely you have reached some conclusions. What are your conclusions? I'm seriously interested.

bbm
Hi Trident, you make some good points in your posts. Re: the first I bolded, I agree with you, and I think this oddness or actually, a lack of communication savvy, has caused a lot of the family's problems. They tend to blurt out poorly worded statements, or say the wrong thing, or say nothing when they should say something, or say something when they should say nothing. The custody attack from the Griffis side, with lots of negative innuendo, set in motion a very bad image of the Cummings family, enhanced by the Cummings poor media skills, and the Misty baggage. This provided lots of internet foddar and, once the ball got rolling, it has been unstoppable. People who aren't Ron bashers and try to keep an open mind are also bashed for not being Ron haters!

It remains to be seen who pepetuated this crime and I hope to heaven that LE can get this one solved. IMO, it's certainly possible that this poor family was in no way involved, while it is also possible that someone in this family was involved. We don't know yet! People are entitled to their opinions, but there is no legitimate reason to be so mean about it, because these are only opinions and are not facts. The bad part about the internet is the anonymity that it brings out the worst in people and a mob mentality.

A comment on the second item I bolded. I know that many good-hearted people on this site and elsewhere do exactly this as they say their prayers each night. Haleigh and her family are not forgotten by those strangers who are faithful in their hopes for her wellbeing and that she is found safely.
 
  • #31
bbm
Hi Trident, you make some good points in your posts. Re: the first I bolded, I agree with you, and I think this oddness or actually, a lack of communication savvy, has caused a lot of the family's problems. They tend to blurt out poorly worded statements, or say the wrong thing, or say nothing when they should say something, or say something when they should say nothing. The custody attack from the Griffis side, with lots of negative innuendo, set in motion a very bad image of the Cummings family, enhanced by the Cummings poor media skills, and the Misty baggage. This provided lots of internet foddar and, once the ball got rolling, it has been unstoppable. People who aren't Ron bashers and try to keep an open mind are also bashed for not being Ron haters!

It remains to be seen who pepetuated this crime and I hope to heaven that LE can get this one solved. IMO, it's certainly possible that this poor family was in no way involved, while it is also possible that someone in this family was involved. We don't know yet! People are entitled to their opinions, but there is no legitimate reason to be so mean about it, because these are only opinions and are not facts. The bad part about the internet is the anonymity that it brings out the worst in people and a mob mentality.

A comment on the second item I bolded. I know that many good-hearted people on this site and elsewhere do exactly this as they say their prayers each night. Haleigh and her family are not forgotten by those strangers who are faithful in their hopes for her wellbeing and that she is found safely.
Wonderful post!!!!!!!!
 
  • #32
LE cannot drag Misty in to talk to her. The best they can do is extend an invitation. When she turns 18, maybe they can go to her door and ask her questions. She doesn't have to answer but at least they can go there and try...but not now.

She knows she can go there anytime and they will be happy to spend time with her. OTOH, so does RC...but he has lawyered up an to my kge has only made one appearance and that was to talk about the phone records in late AUG. He showed up with Shoemaker by his side. Pretty clear to me that RC is scared to talk to LE....the question is WHY?

From a previous post about FL law, since Misty has been married she is now emancipated and turning 18 will not make any difference.

IMO, the reason Ron is wary of talking to LE and has retained a lawyer is that he (as well as his family) was initially burned when he did talk to them. He was naive about how LE handles these investigations, as are many parents of missing children. They are often rough on the parents and IMO, Ron didn't deal with it very well.
 
  • #33
I beg to differ with you. It was clear in the police report on Ratgate that they treated Misty as a minor. She was blanked out on the report but they left her weight on record so we know it was her.

Her name and any other info was not for public viewing. If she were considered an adult, by Law, we would have seen her information.
 
  • #34
From a previous post about FL law, since Misty has been married she is now emancipated and turning 18 will not make any difference.

IMO, the reason Ron is wary of talking to LE and has retained a lawyer is that he (as well as his family) was initially burned when he did talk to them. He was naive about how LE handles these investigations, as are many parents of missing children. They are often rough on the parents and IMO, Ron didn't deal with it very well.

Kamky, I have to consider that Ron has had intense and multiple encounters with law enforcement before, so I hardly think he is a novice that is intimidated by them, no something else is going on. JMO
 
  • #35
bbm
Hi Trident, you make some good points in your posts. Re: the first I bolded, I agree with you, and I think this oddness or actually, a lack of communication savvy, has caused a lot of the family's problems. They tend to blurt out poorly worded statements, or say the wrong thing, or say nothing when they should say something, or say something when they should say nothing. The custody attack from the Griffis side, with lots of negative innuendo, set in motion a very bad image of the Cummings family, enhanced by the Cummings poor media skills, and the Misty baggage. This provided lots of internet foddar and, once the ball got rolling, it has been unstoppable. People who aren't Ron bashers and try to keep an open mind are also bashed for not being Ron haters!

It remains to be seen who pepetuated this crime and I hope to heaven that LE can get this one solved. IMO, it's certainly possible that this poor family was in no way involved, while it is also possible that someone in this family was involved. We don't know yet! People are entitled to their opinions, but there is no legitimate reason to be so mean about it, because these are only opinions and are not facts. The bad part about the internet is the anonymity that it brings out the worst in people and a mob mentality.

A comment on the second item I bolded. I know that many good-hearted people on this site and elsewhere do exactly this as they say their prayers each night. Haleigh and her family are not forgotten by those strangers who are faithful in their hopes for her wellbeing and that she is found safely.

Amen! Very well said! :clap:
 
  • #36
Kamky, I have to consider that Ron has had intense and multiple encounters with law enforcement before, so I hardly think he is a novice that is intimidated by them, no something else is going on. JMO

We really don't know what Ron does as we don't hold his hand and walk with him everywhere everyday.
Just because he has an arrest record doesn't mean he may not be intimidated by them.
There is no way to tell either way. He may be doing everything his lawyer is telling him.
(i really have no opinion on how he feels about the police, just saying).
LE said the parents aren't suspects. I don't think there's any conspiracy going on with Ron or Crystal & Co.
I do think that Misty is not telling all she knows.
 
  • #37
We really don't know what Ron does as we don't hold his hand and walk with him everywhere everyday.
Just because he has an arrest record doesn't mean he may not be intimidated by them.
There is no way to tell either way. He may be doing everything his lawyer is telling him.
(i really have no opinion on how he feels about the police, just saying).
LE said the parents aren't suspects. I don't think there's any conspiracy going on with Ron or Crystal & Co.
I do think that Misty is not telling all she knows.

We can go by what he said though, right?
 
  • #38
We really don't know what Ron does as we don't hold his hand and walk with him everywhere everyday.
Just because he has an arrest record doesn't mean he may not be intimidated by them.
There is no way to tell either way. He may be doing everything his lawyer is telling him.
(i really have no opinion on how he feels about the police, just saying).
LE said the parents aren't suspects. I don't think there's any conspiracy going on with Ron or Crystal & Co.
I do think that Misty is not telling all she knows.

Ron has an arrest "journal" not just a record and he has a good friend who is LE, John Merchant, I have to disagree, I don't think hes intimidated at all by LE. But its just my opinion.
 
  • #39
We can go by what he said though, right?

What did he say, Stilettos? He's said a lot and i'm not sure which specific you are speaking of. lol
 
  • #40
Ron has an arrest "journal" not just a record and he has a good friend who is LE, John Merchant, I have to disagree, I don't think hes intimidated at all by LE. But its just my opinion.

By arrest "Journal" do you mean an arrest record?
We don't know what goes on there aside from what actually gets reported is all i'm saying. IMO
 

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