Halyna Hutchins Shot With Prop Gun - Alec Baldwin indicted & Hannah Gutierrez-Reed charged, 2021 #6

[Jade]

Thanks for presenting the points of interest and additional pages to read.

What a mess

 

[al66pine]

Alec Baldwin's Rust will resume filming this spring with all cast

Troubled low-budget film Rust will resume shooting in the spring with a mix of new and old crew members, including Alec Baldwin as he faces involuntary manslaughter charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From ^ article in post by @Dotta. TY for link.

"It is unclear whether Gutierrez-Reed will return."

Asking the Magic 8 Ball, I got this response: "My sources say no."

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[al66pine]

dbm

 

[al66pine]

“Prosecutors said: 'If Baldwin had not pointed the gun at Hutchins and Souza, this tragedy would not have occurred.” Also from Feb. 14 Daily Mail.

Not sure if this ^ was lifted verbatim from the PCA, but not fully agreeing w the logic.

If Alec had pointed gun in another direction, say, several degrees or feet away from HH---
1. Bullet could have ricocheted off another surface, still killing her.
Or.
2. Bullet could have struck another person, killing someone other than HH.

Sooo, imo even if Alex had pointed gun in direction other than at HH, this tragic killing of HH still could have happened. Or could have resulted in a tragic killing of someone else.

Imo. Agreeing that Alec violated both of the first two principles of firearms safety---
Treat every firearm as loaded, until you verify it is not.
Do not point firearm at any person unless you intend to injure or kill.
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Alec Baldwin's Rust will resume filming this spring with all cast

Troubled low-budget film Rust will resume shooting in the spring with a mix of new and old crew members, including Alec Baldwin as he faces involuntary manslaughter charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[10ofRods]

Alec Baldwin's Rust will resume filming this spring with all cast

Troubled low-budget film Rust will resume shooting in the spring with a mix of new and old crew members, including Alec Baldwin as he faces involuntary manslaughter charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From ^ article in post by @Dotta. TY for link.

"It is unclear whether Gutierrez-Reed will return."

Asking the Magic 8 Ball, I got this response: "My sources say no."

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Magic 8 Ball - Wikipedia

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I love your sense of humor. Dry. I guess I should say your wit, rather than your sense of humor, ha.

 

[10ofRods]

It appears the movie won't be filmed in New Mexico, but California instead. After the local government's handling of this tragedy, it seems unlikely many movies will be filmed there in the future. They've been very clear in letting the movie industry know that New Mexico doesn't like them.

Actually, NM continues to get its share of movie-making, as far as I can tell. Putting safety first is a good thing for many film producers.

Also, NM gives money to those who film there (kind of like rebates). They will not give those rebates to Rust, as I understand it, unless the movie is finished (no one cares if a movie is filmed all in one state).

I'll be surprised if they can afford California movie ranches - but we shall see. I wonder who is paying for all the production costs.

 

[al66pine]

Future Movie filming in NM?

Actually, NM continues to get its share of movie-making, as far as I can tell.
Also, NM gives money to those who film there (kind of like rebates).

snipped for focus @10ofRods Yep, personally doubting movie filming will wither away like some vineyards in the arid state.

A quick search reveals extensive movie biz in NM, w approx. 140+ movies shot wholly or partly in New Mexico in past ten yrs and another nine now in the pipeline. That's just movies, exclusive of TV series, & other filming.

As you said, tax breaks. Can every movie big wig resist the lure of NM's siren song, crooning about a tax credit of 25 to 35 percent of "qualified spends" made in the state?

Personally not seeing movie filming being driven out of NM, based on criminal charge of involuntary manslaughter, in a situation in which multiple ppl. on-set violated movie industry standards, basic firearms safety rules, not to mention ignoring common sense. imo jmo moo
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Film tax incentives vary by state and can be complicated to navigate. Here’s a simple breakdown of state-wise tax breaks for the movie industry.

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[10ofRods]

Future Movie filming in NM?

snipped for focus @10ofRods Yep, personally doubting movie filming will wither away like some vineyards in the arid state.

A quick search reveals extensive movie biz in NM, w approx. 140+ movies shot wholly or partly in New Mexico in past ten yrs and another nine now in the pipeline. That's just movies, exclusive of TV series, & other filming.

As you said, tax breaks. Can every movie big wig resist the lure of NM's siren song, crooning about a tax credit of 25 to 35 percent of "qualified spends" made in the state?

Personally not seeing movie filming being driven out of NM, based on criminal charge of involuntary manslaughter, in a situation in which multiple ppl. on-set violated movie industry standards, basic firearms safety rules, not to mention ignoring common sense. imo jmo moo
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List of films shot in New Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Incentives

Incentives

nmfilm.com

Film Industry Tax Incentives: State-by-State | Wrapbook

Film tax incentives vary by state and can be complicated to navigate. Here’s a simple breakdown of state-wise tax breaks for the movie industry.

www.wrapbook.com

Great info. Plus, most films are not using any kind of gun these days, and if they do, they use fake ones. If anything, this incident has made the Bonanza Ranch more famous. NM is a large state with dozens of ecosystems that emulate nearly any part of North America. And it does give tax breaks/credits to film makers. I think way more people know that now.

Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul were filmed there, and one of the world's most popular television shows is currently being filmed (in part) in NM. It's called Stranger Things and is super popular, both with adults and kids. Netflix has something like 5 other productions in NM.

NM also hosts industry conventions and things of that nature, which attract many people from actual Hollywood (the filmmaking business of California, not the general industry) because Californians like NM (and GA has gone down on the list in terms of preference for film making, various reasons).

I think most filmmakers like the fact that NM wants people to be safe.

IMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Thanks for presenting the points of interest and additional pages to read.

What a mess

It is a mess, but a super interesting case to discuss here. I am learning so much about gun safety, industry standards, NM law, etc.

I am grateful to all the posters in here that have been been discussing a difficult topic in a thoughtful and respectful way.

Appreciate all of you!

 

[10ofRods]

It is a mess, but a super interesting case to discuss here. I am learning so much about gun safety, industry standards, NM law, etc.

I am grateful to all the posters in here that have been been discussing a difficult topic in a thoughtful and respectful way.

Appreciate all of you!

I appreciate YOU so much, across many different cases and threads!

 

[Marantz4250b]

Excellent question. Another "industry safety rule" with no enforcement mechanism is that there should be no ammunition on the "set" (an ambiguous term itself when dealing with location filming.) LE has shown a remarkable lack of interest in how the live round not only got onto the location, but also into the weapon and in the "next to fire" position in the cylinder setting. We don't have the numbers (and probably never will have, given the almost total lack of record keeping among all involved) but if you make some guesstimates based on the the number of actors requiring gunbelts and bandoliers, etc., you get a pretty low probability that the the round made that trip by a series of unintentional acts by multiple individuals. Not impossibly low, but low enough IMHO to seriously suspect agency somewhere along the line.

As far as the general New Mexico law and custom about where you may or may not take a loaded weapon, I'll let somebody else explain that

I see no evidence of that and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Indeed, the FBI stated in their report that the live ammo recovered at the scene did not match the live ammo of the same calibre found in the search of the offices of the company which supplied the dummies and blanks.

Just because LE doesn't know where the live ammo came from is not an indication that they haven't been trying to find out!

As I said pages ago; given that there are known to have been six live rounds on that set (and apparently only six) it is a perfectly plausible theory that at some point one of the guns, or someone's personal gun, arrived at the set loaded, the rounds were dumped out and found their way into general circulation with the dummies. Regardless of how low a possibility you think it may be for that round to have ended up in the fatal position it did is rather beside the point. We do not know what the actual probability of that was as we don't know how many dummy rounds there were for them to get mixed in with. Also, even a very tiny probability of something occuring does not mean that it won't happen - it means that it will happen sooner or later!

 

[Marantz4250b]

No, I am just saying that the probability of the round making it to the fatal location in time and space purely by accident is small enough to justify an energetic search for person or persons unknown who may have helped it on its way. And I don't see that happening.

What was the actual level of probability?

 

[steeltowngirl]

What was the actual level of probability?

Can we ask ChatGPT?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

What was the actual level of probability?

I don't know, and should have included an IMHO in the remark you quoted. My apologies for the the misunderstanding.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I don't know, and should have included an IMHO in the remark you quoted. My apologies for the the misunderstanding.

Appreciate the reply.

I would say that, in my opinion, a few rounds which found their way into general circulation with an existing stock of dummies would be more likely to find their way into guns than a lot of people may think. It all depends how they got into that circulation.

As far as I am aware, there were actually rather few loose dummy rounds because lots were already installed into gunbelts, bandoliers and suchlike. There are pictures somewhere of a couple of boxes of dummies, so one hundred rounds, or thereabouts. If, as I have suggested, six rounds were emptied from a gun and dumped in the vicinity of those boxes of dummies then the total number of dummies on and around the set (which might be in the hundreds) is pretty irrelevant. The ones in belts would be highly unlikely to ever have got anywhere near a gun actually in use by an actor as the loose ones would be. So, rather than being six out of hundreds, it's six out of about one hundred.

Furthermore, if a live round were to find itself into a revolver if you keep coking the hammer and pulling the trigger it's going to go off sooner or later. The loading port on a Colt SAA is at the 3 o'clock position as you look at the back of the revolver. you put in the round, close the gate and then move the cylinder to the next stop notch. You might move it to the next one which will put the round you've just it in at the 6 o'clock position. So, three or four retractions of the hammer and you have that round aligning with the barrel.

 

[PrairieWind]

I can't remember this and can't seem to find it so maybe someone here can help. When the charges against HGR and AB were filed, were they booked and given bond conditions?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Appreciate the reply.

I would say that, in my opinion, a few rounds which found their way into general circulation with an existing stock of dummies would be more likely to find their way into guns than a lot of people may think. It all depends how they got into that circulation.

As far as I am aware, there were actually rather few loose dummy rounds because lots were already installed into gunbelts, bandoliers and suchlike. There are pictures somewhere of a couple of boxes of dummies, so one hundred rounds, or thereabouts. If, as I have suggested, six rounds were emptied from a gun and dumped in the vicinity of those boxes of dummies then the total number of dummies on and around the set (which might be in the hundreds) is pretty irrelevant. The ones in belts would be highly unlikely to ever have got anywhere near a gun actually in use by an actor as the loose ones would be. So, rather than being six out of hundreds, it's six out of about one hundred.

Furthermore, if a live round were to find itself into a revolver if you keep coking the hammer and pulling the trigger it's going to go off sooner or later. The loading port on a Colt SAA is at the 3 o'clock position as you look at the back of the revolver. you put in the round, close the gate and then move the cylinder to the next stop notch. You might move it to the next one which will put the round you've just it in at the 6 o'clock position. So, three or four retractions of the hammer and you have that round aligning with the barrel.

Right. Two different scenarios. I was thinking of a supply chain contaminated and the source and then moving to the gun. An extra six rounds dumped in with the loose ones after delivery of the set is a form of contamination I did not consider, as is the mysterious last box of dummies allegedly delivered that day. (I still do not understand why more dummy rounds had to be ordered late in the filming.)

It is also worth noting, as your description does, that just loading a round through the loading gate does not mean it will fire the next time the hammer is retracted and the trigger pulled; several movements of the cylinder are required. This adds the uncertainty surrounding whether the sixth round Hannah loaded was the live one.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I can't remember this and can't seem to find it so maybe someone here can help. When the charges against HGR and AB were filed, were they booked and given bond conditions?

Involuntary manslaughter charges formally filed against Alec Baldwin in 'Rust' shooting

Three people -- including star Alec Baldwin -- face charges after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the set of "Rust" in 2021.

abcnews.go.com

This is the most comprehensive coverage of the process I have found, and FWIW it doesn't mention booking or bond. Other coverage says next step is a preliminary hearing held electronically on 24 Feb., when a judge decides whether to charge them. This is reported as being an alternative to calling a grand jury.

 

[PrairieWind]

Involuntary manslaughter charges formally filed against Alec Baldwin in 'Rust' shooting

Three people -- including star Alec Baldwin -- face charges after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the set of "Rust" in 2021.

abcnews.go.com

This is the most comprehensive coverage of the process I have found, and FWIW it doesn't mention booking or bond. Other coverage says next step is a preliminary hearing held electronically on 24 Feb., when a judge decides whether to charge them. This is reported as being an alternative to calling a grand jury.

That is all I have found as well, which is odd. Typically, a felony defendant must surrender, booked, advised of charges, bond conditions issued. Has that not happened here?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

That is all I have found as well, which is odd. Typically, a felony defendant must surrender, booked, advised of charges, bond conditions issued. Has that not happened here?

I am not aware of any reports of such activity, nor am I familiar with New Mexico law in this area, sorry.