Hamilton PD: "One Set of Human Remains"

[musicaljoke]

I raised the question about harvesting and planting, because it might show premeditation if the farmer was kept off the field for any reason other than the police tape.

 

[PurrphectWorld]

We had an excessively hot and humid summer last year, and the one before. Many farmers crops failed because the cost of constant irrigation...after a previous season of the same problems, was overwhelming. Some crops fell off before and decent growth could be established...Mother Nature.

Sorry..quoting myself to add that some farmers had to destroy their own crops in order to get government relief ( a policy that is very controversial on it's own).

 

[ArianeEmory]

And one more question (see my post a few posts up also):

What else would leave 'burn marks' on the ground? I'm sure this might be a dumb question, please keep in mind I'm a city-dweller/homebody and I've never been camping. If you were going to build a big bonfire on your farm (to burn evidence), wouldn't you dig a pit or something, and then bury it over after it was burned out? Could the burn marks suggest they just burned the bod(ies) right out in the open, on flat ground?

I HAVE to stop reading/thinking about this before bedtime. Between this and a horrible local murder, I basically didn't sleep last night. Meanwhile, I've done a small amount of scanner work on the Oklahoma tornado thread. I wish I was a better drinker.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Couple of questions to ponder about the remains:

1) Does anyone here REALLY know, 100% for sure, what state the "Eliminator" model incinerator would leave a body in? I've seen 'sterile ash' postulated, but I've also seen 'ash and bone chips' suggested. Does anyone actually know for sure what the output of one of these things is? Especially if it was filled close to capacity?

2) Do the reported "burn marks on the ground" suggest the incinerator wasn't used to burn the remains, or does it mean they used the incinerator improperly and it scorched the ground underneath it? I seem to remember someone saying the incinerator needed to be set up on a concrete pad, but maybe they meant bigger models. But part of me really wonders if the burn marks were scorch marks where the incinerator was parked in different places while it was operated on different occasions--it WAS on wheels, right?



WARNING GRAPHIC:

(I haven't seen Fargo but I am dubious about the woodchipper. It seems like it would just make a huge mess and send evidence everywhere.)

From searching around I have found that the maximum temperature that the Eliminator can do is around the minimum temperature that crematories use. So I am guessing that the incinerator would not do as thorough a job as a crematorium

Crematories end up with ash and bone pieces that need to be ground down into cremains

As for the scorch marks, I agree they can be from running the incinerator in two places and they may just have come from operating the incinerator...but the hatch to empty the incinerator would be on the bottom so perhaps the incinerator's contents were dumped on the ground after operating? I hope so because otherwise there is a mix of one person and one (animal or person) on LE's hands

 

[JML]

Not sure who it belongs to... I'm trying to figure out what type of vehicle it is... Maybe a newer model (2012?) Ford Escape by looking at the roof rack.

It looks similar to mine and mine is a 2012 Chevy Traverse.. could be something like that maybe.

Here's a side view I found of the Traverse:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AR1DRFpM-...8ctsOY-A-c/s400/2012_chevy_traverse_00000.jpg

 

[lanman]

It's an interesting colour for a wood chipper. Ususally they are yellow, or red or bright green. It looks as though it's had some custom work done on it. I can't find a picture of one that is quite the same.

This looks almost identical other than the colour. It's a "Vermeer BC1400XL"

 

[musicaljoke]

Couple of questions to ponder about the remains:

1) Does anyone here REALLY know, 100% for sure, what state the "Eliminator" model incinerator would leave a body in? I've seen 'sterile ash' postulated, but I've also seen 'ash and bone chips' suggested. Does anyone actually know for sure what the output of one of these things is? Especially if it was filled close to capacity?<snip>

WARNING GRAPHIC:

(I haven't seen Fargo but I am dubious about the woodchipper. It seems like it would just make a huge mess and send evidence everywhere.)

I don't know, but I suspect that the Eliminator didn't run a full burn. If it scorched the ground, surely the tires were at risk. And, the operator might have been concerned that the neighbours would call the cops for operating it against code.

 

[flipflop]

Had DH look at it as he is good with identifying vehicles. He believes it is a Nissan Murano based on the rims...
here's a link
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...=29CaUaWbIueEygHdu4GgDA&ved=0CEIQ9QEwAg&dur=1

My neighbour just pulled in his driveway with his Nissan Murano....it does look like the one in the pic.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't know, but I suspect that the Eliminator didn't run a full burn. If it scorched the ground, surely the tires were at risk. And, the operator might have been concerned that the neighbours would call the cops for operating it against code.

He's be making noise the neighbours could hear for at least a couple hours

You would need at least 2 hours to get the incinerator up to temperature (30 min) and burn 150 lbs (1.5h), plus you need electricity so DM would have to have a generator going...the sound of the generator and whatever noise the incinerator makes during the burn probably got the neighbour's attention

He could have been antsy, yes

ETA: the first tents are set up on a treeline facing the neighbour, the second behind a good stand of hardwood out of the neighbour's view (scorch 1 and scorch 2)

 

[puppyraiser]

He's be making noise the neighbours could hear for at least a couple hours

You would need at least 2 hours to get the incinerator up to temperature (30 min) and burn 150 lbs (1.5h), plus you need electricity so DM would have to have a generator going...the sound of the generator and whatever noise the incinerator makes during the burn probably got the neighbour's attention

He could have been antsy, yes

ETA: the first tents are set up on a treeline facing the neighbour, the second behind a good stand of hardwood out of the neighbour's view (scorch 1 and scorch 2)

It looked like there was a propane tank or something attached to the trailer. Do those things needed electricity or can they run off gas/ fuel? Google is not my friend tonight.

 

[SnooperDuper]

It looked like there was a propane tank or something attached to the trailer. Do those things needed electricity or can they run off gas/ fuel? Google is not my friend tonight.

http://supernovamfg.com/faq.html

FAQ

Q What will I need upon delivery for proper installation of my incinerator?
A A concrete slab, an electrical weatherproofed 120volt GFI receptacle, fuel supply and a means for unloading the incinerator (call for weight of purchased unit and technical department will assist).


ETA: I guess it has electric temperature control?

 

[flipflop]

It looked like there was a propane tank or something attached to the trailer. Do those things needed electricity or can they run off gas/ fuel? Google is not my friend tonight.

On the incinerator website, it states that the propane burner was an option.

http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html

 

[mamacita]

My neighbour just pulled in his driveway with his Nissan Murano....it does look like the one in the pic.

what pic is everyone comparing black cars/SUVs to? did LE release an image of the second video that was seen?

 

[flipflop]

what pic is everyone comparing black cars/SUVs to? did LE release an image of the second video that was seen?

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29437&d=1343747457

we are looking at the SUV in the background

 

[SnooperDuper]

On the incinerator website, it states that the propane burner was an option.

http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html

http://supernovamfg.com/prod_gen.html

SuperNova Manufacturing, Inc. has also designed and manufactured mobile units for equine and cattle farmers, mobile veterinarian operations, and drug task force agencies. We highly recommend diesel-fired burners for the mobile units. The appropriate generator, diesel tank, trailer size (weight capacity) will be dependent on the size of the incinerator that is being employed. The trailer, at the customer request, may use a gooseneck hitch or a standard hitch along with the hitch size of choice.

 

[mamacita]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29437&d=1343747457

we are looking at the SUV in the background

thank you! my first glance told me "Nissan Murano". when i looked closer, it still told me "Nissan Murano"

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm just saying the incinerator is more complex than a bbq, you need electricity because it is electrically controlled, that means they needed a generator, which makes noise, which is why the neighbours came looking and took pictures. There's little smell, but there would be sound

 

[lanman]

I'm just saying the incinerator is more complex than a bbq, you need electricity because it is electrically controlled, that means they needed a generator, which makes noise, which is why the neighbours came looking and took pictures. There's little smell, but there would be sound

The manufacturer doesn't give any detailed electrical specs, other than it requires a 120v GFI outlet. That indicates to me it could easily be run from a 12V to 120V inverter connected to any vehicle, as long as the vehicle is kept running. The neighbour wouldn't hear that.

 

[SnooperDuper]

The manufacturer doesn't give any detailed electrical specs, other than it requires a 120v GFI outlet. That indicates to me it could easily be run from a 12V to 120V inverter connected to any vehicle, as long as the vehicle is kept running. The neighbour wouldn't hear that.

Keep in mind this is a rural area. Little or no traffic at night and all the neighbour needs is any type of dog and that dog will let you know the second there's a truck offroading next door

LE suggesting TB died Monday night or early Tuesday morning, no doubt correlates to DM running a truck or a generator for a couple of hours late at night into the morning

Rural dogs hate strange noises at strange times...must have drove them nuts

 

[ArianeEmory]

Keep in mind this is a rural area. Little or no traffic at night and all the neighbour needs is any type of dog and that dog will let you know the second there's a truck offroading next door

LE suggesting TB died Monday night or early Tuesday morning, no doubt correlates to DM running a truck or a generator for a couple of hours late at night into the morning

Rural dogs hate strange noises at strange times...must have drove them nuts

Thank you, this info is very illuminating to a lifelong city dweller like me (I'm sure I'm not alone). I get antsy if there's not a strip mall in sight, and I know jack squat about farms or ruralness.