Hamilton PD: "One Set of Human Remains"

[JayFriend]

I'm just saying the incinerator is more complex than a bbq, you need electricity because it is electrically controlled, that means they needed a generator, which makes noise, which is why the neighbours came looking and took pictures. There's little smell, but there would be sound

Not sure what wattage generator it would need, but those Honda portable generators are extremely quiet.

 

[flipflop]

Keep in mind this is a rural area. Little or no traffic at night and all the neighbour needs is any type of dog and that dog will let you know the second there's a truck offroading next door

LE suggesting TB died Monday night or early Tuesday morning, no doubt correlates to DM running a truck or a generator for a couple of hours late at night into the morning

Rural dogs hate strange noises at strange times...must have drove them nuts

Very true!!!

It was March (IIRC) that the neighbours took the pics of the bobcat etc. I wonder if the dogs went nuts at this time and this sparked their interest to go and check out the land and take the pics. Will be interesting to find out how long these "other" remains have been there.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

thank you! my first glance told me "Nissan Murano". when i looked closer, it still told me "Nissan Murano"

Looks like maybe a Nissan Rogue which is a very similar albeit a slightly smaller SUV than the Murano model.

Perhaps.....a Rogue?

 

[bknight]

There is a generator to the left in the picture of the bobcat that the neighbour took back in March. This adds to the theory that the incinerator was used back in March. https://twitter.com/trevorjdunn/status/334421765222715393/photo/1

It sure would be inconvenient to have to haul the incinerator to fuel it with propane. I wonder if it was ever refueled. Where would the closest propane station be to the farm? Maybe it was never filled since it was purchased and ran out of propane (incomplete cycle) that night which is why his remains were quickly identified. I wonder if the manufacture knows how many cycles a single tank would provide. That might give a hint at how many remains could be found. This is all just a wild guess.

 

[PurrphectWorld]

The incinerator ran on it's own propane tank...there was already a set up for electricity for their paintball shack. It would have taken a long time and drawn a lot of attention even if it was fairly quiet, some neighours had a fair view of the property.

 

[flipflop]

The incinerator ran on it's own propane tank...there was already a set up for electricity for their paintball shack. It would have taken a long time and drawn a lot of attention even if it was fairly quiet, some neighours had a fair view of the property.

How do we know this?

What did they use as the paintball shack? The barn?

If so, that is rather far from where the tents/investigation is taking place.

 

[PurrphectWorld]

The barn..which was searched again on Thurs/Fri...was fully wired for electricity.

 

[PurrphectWorld]

How do we know this?

Photos show utility wires...I'll have to find links but too tired to go through hours of it again...Google streetview of the address.

 

[Pink Panther]

I think that everything on this case is very quickly going to go "under wraps" just like it did with the Russell Williams trial. Same thing. This and all pertinant information will soon be buried with enough time for everyone following to become disinterested. It's the way things work here.

moo

...Just watch...

 

[SnooperDuper]

How do we know this?

On Google there are no electrical poles going into the property. There is one in front of the barn, and the neighbour has a few that go as far as the shed on the far side of the barn, but that's as far as the power goes

ETA: The tents are set up far far away from the barn

 

[PurrphectWorld]

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tim-bosma2.jpg?w=620

 

[SnooperDuper]

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tim-bosma2.jpg?w=620

Yes the barn has power but look where LE has the tents set up

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209336&page=2

 

[PurrphectWorld]

Thanks..so the outstanding issue is that propane on the incinerator itself wouldn't run without electricity?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Thanks..so the outstanding issue is that propane on the incinerator itself wouldn't run without electricity?

Yeah

Another snip from SuperNova Mfg.'s FAQ

Q Does the incinerator require a shelter or a weatherproof facility?
A No. We ensure that all electrical components and wiring are weather resistant. All burners and propane train lines have fabricated covers that are more than adequate for their application. We do not require a shelter or weatherproofing on the customer's behalf.

I gather the device has an electronic thermostat or something. There is no hydro out where DM was, so a motor (truck, generator) would have to be used.

 

[bknight]

Yeah

Another snip from SuperNova Mfg.'s FAQ

Q Does the incinerator require a shelter or a weatherproof facility?
A No. We ensure that all electrical components and wiring are weather resistant. All burners and propane train lines have fabricated covers that are more than adequate for their application. We do not require a shelter or weatherproofing on the customer's behalf.

I gather the device has an electronic thermostat or something. There is no hydro out where DM was, so a motor (truck, generator) would have to be used.

https://twitter.com/trevorjdunn/status/334421765222715393/photo/1

A generator is to the left of the bobcat.

 

[PurrphectWorld]

I stand corrected..it does need electric power..not totally stand alone portable. It doesn't have a battery or other independant regeneration system like a car. So..genie or one heck of a long extension cord.

 

[maryjane365]

Question regarding the remains that have been found: are they as yet unidentified, or unidentifiable?

 

[flipflop]

Question regarding the remains that have been found: are they as yet unidentified, or unidentifiable?

no word yet, however, LE did state they would be another 2 weeks at the farm property. Which tells me they were human remains, I now question....how many?

 

[meadsipper]

Keep in mind this is a rural area. Little or no traffic at night and all the neighbour needs is any type of dog and that dog will let you know the second there's a truck offroading next door

LE suggesting TB died Monday night or early Tuesday morning, no doubt correlates to DM running a truck or a generator for a couple of hours late at night into the morning

Rural dogs hate strange noises at strange times...must have drove them nuts

Excellent point, SD.

Dogs are attuned to strange noises, as well as the smell of trouble.

 

[musicaljoke]

Maybe yes, maybe no. I've hiked around here (Cambridge, Kitchener) and found poor dead deer and raccoon carcasses. There are lots of coyotes too. IMO

And you didn't mistake them for human bones, or even have doubts about what you were looking at, did you. It's not difficult to tell the difference between human bones and an animal carcass, especially for trained forensic investigators. It's only difficult to tell when you find random pieces of bone that are found with no context and where the identifying features are missing.

I too, suspect that the investigators know what they have found. Maybe we will hear more about it today.