Hank C. Jr. (Misty's Brother)

[nomoresorrow]

1. You're right; Tommy will need to appear in court to give his testimony of events. So will his mother, father, sister, and his sister's husband's grandmother. Since every one of THESE people are consistent that Ronald entered into the vehicle and continued an assault, it should be fairly simple. Go them!

2. The assumption you make for either lying through his teeth or confessing he already lied in the claim that Misty called is deplorable logic.

3. You assume a false charge. The police arrested Ronald, stating cause. They believe he committed a felony act. He was charged with such, and he paid bail. They have still not arrested Tommy, or his parents. He will be facing a judge on these charges. That means the 3 Croslins, his wife, his granny, the two officers who were there for the arrest, and now I assume the SA who hasn't charged Tommy have all colluded to frame Ronald Cummings. Those are serious accusations indeed.

4. You are accusing someone of making a false report, tampering with an LE investigation, and cruelty to animals. I hope you have proof of that, because those are also serious charges.

Tommy doesn't have to be a saint. Tommy has the right to not be beaten, threatened, or maligned by strangers.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe you didn't catch that I stated it was MY OPINION very clearly.

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching:
Tommy will need to answer for his part in court. He will have to get up there and either lie through his teeth or he will have to confess that Misty did not call him to "rescue" her, that he intentionally went over to cause the fight, and he also set them up about the rat...IMO. Very serious charges for him to make against Ronald especially if they are not true!! I guess court will tell the real story behind both incidents. Tommy is no Saint.

However, again this isn't the rat or fight thread.

We are researching background and not getting into the fights here. Is there a reason people want to stop us from investigating this man who was said to be at the mh hours before Haleigh went missing and lived within a block of the scene?! I am not going to stop investigating him at all...but instead going to push harder to find out everything I can about him especially since some have decided to back him to the hilt in all this mess. I have to ask myself WHY? There MUST be a reason for the rush to his defense here and it isn't simply because Ronald hit him! Gotta be more to it than that!

 

[nomoresorrow]

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I wonder if RC and HC2 just never got along. HC2 was one of the last people to see HaLeigh alive. He was at the house that evening. The van belonged to him although it was at Timmy's house by 4:00am, moved and scratched. He has issues with the law. He lived in a house owned by his wife and her grandfather, Sapps who is apparently not related to DSapps who was just arrested for what, again? had LE at his house before the missing child alert was called in to the officer we hear on the tape, it is from his house we allegedly hear that the child was last see in her residence 1 1/2 hours ago and has apparently moved home to momma and daddy's house.

I don't know, why does he get a pass? Just asking.

He doesn't get a pass. Every issue that you raise is valid - I also believe that LE took those issues seriously at the onset as they did confiscate & search the van. Whether or not LE searched the interior of TC's home, I don't know for a fact but I would certainly hope so if HaLeigh was truly there that evening prior to her disappearance. That alone, I would think, would be sufficient cause for LE to request to look around inside. As little as LE has said in this case, they've never, to the best of my knowledge, stated anything that even remotely alluded to Tommy being suspected of any involvement, i.e, uncooperative with LE, inconsistent story/statements . . . with that said, LE also hasn't publicly cleared anyone in this case, well that is, except for the local SO's and the A/C man . . . As far as I'm concerned, if LE still has questions/concerns about ANYONE that may be involved in HaLeigh's disappearance, they need to keep asking the questions to each and every one of them until they get the answers.
As a sidenote but an important one nonetheless, I also haven't heard LE publicly state that they've requested Mr. Croslin's assistance in answering some more questions down at the station but he refused . . .

~*~ OMOOC ~*~

 

[nomoresorrow]

Maybe you didn't catch that I stated it was MY OPINION very clearly.

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching:
Tommy will need to answer for his part in court. He will have to get up there and either lie through his teeth or he will have to confess that Misty did not call him to "rescue" her, that he intentionally went over to cause the fight, and he also set them up about the rat...IMO. Very serious charges for him to make against Ronald especially if they are not true!! I guess court will tell the real story behind both incidents. Tommy is no Saint.

However, again this isn't the rat or fight thread.

I don't know why these things are being brought up here continuously when they do not belong on this thread. We are researching background and not getting into the fights here. Is there a reason people want to stop us from investigating this man who was said to be at the mh hours before Haleigh went missing and lived within a block of the scene?! I am not going to stop investigating him at all...but instead going to push harder to find out everything I can about him especially since some have decided to back him to the hilt in all this mess. I have to ask myself WHY? There MUST be a reason for the rush to his defense here and it isn't simply because Ronald hit him! Gotta be more to it than that!

Well actually SS, I didn't bring it up here - I was responding to your post on the matter and indeed, I did see that you stated that it was your opinion and my response to your opinion was my opinion. I wasn't aware that "IMO" posts were now off-limits to responses. As I stated in my response to DotsEyes posts; "Why does he (Tommy) get a pass?" - he doesn't as far as I'm concerned. If LE suspects him and/or isn't satisfied with his answers to their questions, then by all means "they need to keep asking the questions to each and every one of them until they get the answers!" IMO

~*~ omooc ~*~

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It appears "they" haven't questioned everyone adequately since nothing has been mentioned, imo, so we will be sure to help them out on that front to make certain the background work is done. Maybe we can stumble across reasons they need to take a better look and question him repeatedly as they have done others in this case.

 

[nomoresorrow]

It appears "they" haven't questioned everyone adequately since nothing has been mentioned, imo, so we will be sure to help them out on that front to make certain the background work is done. Maybe we can stumble across reasons they need to take a better look and question him repeatedly as they have done others in this case.

SS ITA - everyone needs to be questioned adequately in this case - unfortunately IF LE didn't question everyone adequately at the onset of HaLeigh's disappearance, which seems to be your opinion but correct me if I'm wrong, sadly there is much that can never be recaptured in way of evidence and, as you very well know, it is one thing to suspect somebody of something but altogether different and far more difficult to actually prove it; backed up with physical evidence. In this case; with no body, no substantial evidence of HaLeigh being either dead or alive, (that we're aware of) and no physical evidence pointing anywhere or toward any one person or persons - circumstantial won't cut it and that, IMO, is why LE hasn't said jack%$#t -

As time continues to march on in this case with no sign of HaLeigh and little to nothing being said by LE after six months, I often think of the April Tinsley case and wonder if LE had only released more information earlier on in that case, such as the notes left at various homes . . . rather than holding it close to the vest all those years only to ask people, years later, to come forward who may have found a similar note around that time but tossed it away contributing it to some sick jokester - never suspecting at the time that it could be tied to April's killer - perhaps if LE had said more, people within the community may have been more apt to notice an unfamiliar car hanging out in their neighborhood or a store owner at that time may have recognized the kind of paper that the notes were written on and had an "odd" guy who came into his/her store and regularly purchased that particular brand/type . . . it haunts me when I think of that and it scares me to death when I think about it in HaLeigh's case. I understand that LE must keep certain information under wraps but there comes a point when the clock is ticking and the calander pages are turning that they have to consider putting something out there, something that just may promp someone's memory of something - something they never realized at the time had any significance to this case - but it just may be the one thing that brings HaLeigh home - IMO

 

[kamky]

I wonder if RC and HC2 just never got along. HC2 was one of the last people to see HaLeigh alive. He was at the house that evening. The van belonged to him although it was at Timmy's house by 4:00am, moved and scratched. He has issues with the law. He lived in a house owned by his wife and her grandfather, Sapps who is apparently not related to DSapps who was just arrested for what, again? had LE at his house before the missing child alert was called in to the officer we hear on the tape, it is from his house we allegedly hear that the child was last see in her residence 1 1/2 hours ago and has apparently moved home to momma and daddy's house.

I don't know, why does he get a pass? Just asking.

All very good questions, DotsEyes. I hope that LE looks into him very carefully because if he has shown any recent hinky behavior, it could explain some of the inconsistencies in Misty's statements. She may be conflicted about relaying suspicions about members of her own family.

 

[debs]

Maybe you didn't catch that I stated it was MY OPINION very clearly.

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching:
Tommy will need to answer for his part in court. He will have to get up there and either lie through his teeth or he will have to confess that Misty did not call him to "rescue" her, that he intentionally went over to cause the fight, and he also set them up about the rat...IMO. Very serious charges for him to make against Ronald especially if they are not true!! I guess court will tell the real story behind both incidents. Tommy is no Saint.

However, again this isn't the rat or fight thread.

We are researching background and not getting into the fights here. Is there a reason people want to stop us from investigating this man who was said to be at the mh hours before Haleigh went missing and lived within a block of the scene?! I am not going to stop investigating him at all...but instead going to push harder to find out everything I can about him especially since some have decided to back him to the hilt in all this mess. I have to ask myself WHY? There MUST be a reason for the rush to his defense here and it isn't simply because Ronald hit him! Gotta be more to it than that!

Investigate away. He's got a record and it isn't pretty. He's been charged with domestic violence, not paying child support and a few other things that says Tommy Croslin isn't someone I'd want dating my daughter. BUT!

He is only a part of this fiasco NOW because Ronald Cummings assaulted him. THIS keeps getting discussed because people keep attempting to accuse HANK2 for Ronald's actions. The only person I see getting a pass by anyone on this matter is Ronald Cummings.

I still haven't seen anything posted regarding the disappearance of Haleigh, why were LE at the Croslin home that same early morning, who had the van, was it Hank2 or Timmy over at the MH earlier when Misty says "my brother and his kids" and all those other questions.

It isn't the rat-thread. But I won't pretend the guy put a headless rat in his mailbox just to frame Ronald Cummings. I find the continued insinuation and outright allegations that Hank2 colluded with his family, the neighbor, LE and the SA to frame Ronald Cummings a dangerous slope for those who continue to insist it to be sliding down. One would hope there was a tree branch for them all to grab onto when they realize there is absolutely no logical footing for their avalanche of spurious statements.

 

[TxLady2]

Well said, Debs!
Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. I cannot latch onto the idea that Ronald has no culpability in any of these incidents, that everyone is out to "get" him. Doesn't make sense to me to keep explaining it away. It is what it is.
A (hopefully) respected judge looked over the arrest report the first time and upheld the arrest and charges. I would never presume to be smarter than a judge!

 

[onehotmamma]

I have been to the area several times. I also agree about Tommy but think Timmy also

 

[onehotmamma]

All the addresses you have found the family does not live at them. I was given this information for fact not hearsay.

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe you can go to the RT and enlighten us there.

 

[Crosby87]

Investigate away. He's got a record and it isn't pretty. He's been charged with domestic violence, not paying child support and a few other things that says Tommy Croslin isn't someone I'd want dating my daughter. BUT!

He is only a part of this fiasco NOW because Ronald Cummings assaulted him. THIS keeps getting discussed because people keep attempting to accuse HANK2 for Ronald's actions. The only person I see getting a pass by anyone on this matter is Ronald Cummings.

I still haven't seen anything posted regarding the disappearance of Haleigh, why were LE at the Croslin home that same early morning, who had the van, was it Hank2 or Timmy over at the MH earlier when Misty says "my brother and his kids" and all those other questions.
It isn't the rat-thread. But I won't pretend the guy put a headless rat in his mailbox just to frame Ronald Cummings. I find the continued insinuation and outright allegations that Hank2 colluded with his family, the neighbor, LE and the SA to frame Ronald Cummings a dangerous slope for those who continue to insist it to be sliding down. One would hope there was a tree branch for them all to grab onto when they realize there is absolutely no logical footing for their avalanche of spurious statements.[/QUOTE

I have been focusing on Misty's relatives and I cannot based on the reports I read get the facts straight and I want LE to focus on and reexamine the evidence they have. Although Tommy lives close to where HaLeigh lived, it appears the van belonged to Chelsea and I'm not sure who the FM was staying with, Timmy or Tommy. Misty does not mention that this relative was at the MH with Tommy the night in question. Misty states what we all know by now that her brother and 2 nephews arrived at the MH to visit around the same time as the AC man and she left the AC man alone in the home while she took the children outside in order to give the AC man room to work. If we could clarify where the van was that night and which Croslin the FM was staying with them the night HC disappeared it would help. Croslin said around 4 am after receiving a call from Misty, they went outside to drive to HaLeigh's, and Croslin said he immediately noticed the van was not in the spot she left it in. "I know I don't park like that and I was the last to drive the van. We all started thinking what could have happened when I realized the van had been parked in another spot." After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared. "The day HC went missing, everyone was looking for her...Misty called me later that night and said Chelsea, please tell me you are the one who put the scratch in my van. I started crying and told her there is no way I put the scratch in her van. The scratch is highly visible extending from behind the driver's side doorhandle to the rear tire. Croslin said the scratch was not there when she drove it and she would have heard noises if it was scratched while she was driving it. Croslin pointing finger at FM staying there. Police have located him, questioned him, and have not cleared him as a suspect. There is a path Misty took through the woods to get to Tommy's house on Tyler. There is a call from the Croslin's residence from FLE2 to the OP who was at 116 Tyler before returning to Green after the 911 call was made by Misty. The FLE2 verifies the last time HaLeigh was seen at ____ address..."HaLeigh was seen within her residence about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago." It is unclear how the Croslin's obtained this information and because the Croslin's called the non-emergency police line this info is sealed. Both Tommy and Timmy Croslin have remained for the most part out of the public eye following HaLeigh's disappearance and Hank Jr has not taken a LDT. Tracking dogs did go near Tommy's house from the pond.

 

[Whisperer]

My understanding is the van belongs to Tommy and Lindsy who live on Tyler. They loaned the van to Chelsea to use since her car was in the shop. I think Misty's name was assumed about the phone call...the journalist had clipped the video....wish they'd stop that.

The dogs went right past the Tyler house belonging to Tommy. Past that house and continued on to the bus stop/rr tracks. If you look at the LE report it blanked out their address for privacy. Other reports show the address and it was Tommy's on Tyler.

The van is confusing. Misty saying the blanket was in the van...can't believe anything she says.....big problem.

Facts just shouldn't be this confusing but I am finding out whatever Misty is involved in....you can bet it will be confusing.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

My understanding is the van belongs to Tommy and Lindsy who live on Tyler. They loaned the van to Chelsea to use since her car was in the shop. I think Misty's name was assumed about the phone call...the journalist had clipped the video....wish they'd stop that.

The dogs went right past the Tyler house belonging to Tommy. Past that house and continued on to the bus stop/rr tracks. If you look at the LE report it blanked out their address for privacy. Other reports show the address and it was Tommy's on Tyler.

The van is confusing. Misty saying the blanket was in the van...can't believe anything she says.....big problem.

Facts just shouldn't be this confusing but I am finding out whatever Misty is involved in....you can bet it will be confusing.

You are so right that this case is soooo confusing. I had heard an interview of Misty that she claimed her blanket was in the van, then in another she states she was washing her blanket that was in the van and Haleigh's because it smelled like urine. So, which is it? Did she leave the blanket in the van or did she take it out of the van? Why was that so important for her to mention over and over? When did she take the blanket out of the van? Did Misty have the van the night Haleigh went missing? Lots of questions but no answers. It would really help if she would just talk to LE and give her facts of events. Maybe now her head is clear if she is clean of drugs...I hope for Jr. sake.

I just find it odd. Now, this is just what I recall and don't have the links handy and I may be completely wrong. I was looking for another video yesterday and found so many that caught my attention that now I am even more confused. I just wish Haleigh would be found already. I pray this case does not go in the cold case files...I know LE said it's not a cold case..I pray they are on to something and Haleigh is bought home.

 

[Blackwatch]

You are so right that this case is soooo confusing. I had heard an interview of Misty that she claimed her blanket was in the van, then in another she states she was washing her blanket that was in the van and Haleigh's because it smelled like urine. So, which is it? Did she leave the blanket in the van or did she take it out of the van? Why was that so important for her to mention over and over? When did she take the blanket out of the van? Did Misty have the van the night Haleigh went missing? Lots of questions but no answers. It would really help if she would just talk to LE and give her facts of events. Maybe now her head is clear if she is clean of drugs...I hope for Jr. sake.

I just find it odd. Now, this is just what I recall and don't have the links handy and I may be completely wrong. I was looking for another video yesterday and found so many that caught my attention that now I am even more confused. I just wish Haleigh would be found already. I pray this case does not go in the cold case files...I know LE said it's not a cold case..I pray they are on to something and Haleigh is bought home.

IIRC, Misty said she washed Haleigh's blanket because it smelled like urine AND she washed the blanket which was used to cover the window - because HER blanket was left in the van. I have always wondered if Misty got HER blanket back or, if not, maybe it is with Haleigh?

My opinion only

 

[Whisperer]

Did you ever think if it weren't for Misty's comments, this case would not be so difficult?

Concerning Hank and the fight....the same thing. She gets the whole story and the fight mixed up and different from the others...She claimed she was hurt during the scuffle. Why is Misty always getting hurt? People seem to want to beat her up for some reason.

I wish the media would have interviewed the Croslin brothers concerning Haleigh....they flew below the radar...

................Don't mess with the Croslins....................

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I have been focusing on Misty's relatives and I cannot based on the reports I read get the facts straight and I want LE to focus on and reexamine the evidence they have. Although Tommy lives close to where Haleigh lived, it appears the van belonged to Chelsea and I'm not sure who the FM was staying with, Timmy or Tommy. Misty does not mention that this relative was at the MH with Tommy the night in question. Misty states what we all know by now that her brother and 2 nephews arrived at the MH to visit around the same time as the AC man and she left the AC man alone in the home while she took the children outside in order to give the AC man room to work. If we could clarify where the van was that night and which Croslin the FM was staying with them the night HC disappeared it would help. Croslin said around 4 am after receiving a call from Misty, they went outside to drive to Haleigh's, and Croslin said he immediately noticed the van was not in the spot she left it in. "I know I don't park like that and I was the last to drive the van. We all started thinking what could have happened when I realized the van had been parked in another spot." After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared. "The day HC went missing, everyone was looking for her...Misty called me later that night and said Chelsea, please tell me you are the one who put the scratch in my van. I started crying and told her there is no way I put the scratch in her van. The scratch is highly visible extending from behind the driver's side door handle to the rear tire. Croslin said the scratch was not there when she drove it and she would have heard noises if it was scratched while she was driving it. Croslin pointing finger at FM staying there. Police have located him, questioned him, and have not cleared him as a suspect. There is a path Misty took through the woods to get to Tommy's house on Tyler. There is a call from the Croslin's residence from FLE2 to the OP who was at 116 Tyler before returning to Green after the 911 call was made by Misty. The FLE2 verifies the last time Haleigh was seen at ____ address..."HaLeigh was seen within her residence about 1 to 1 1/2 hours ago." It is unclear how the Croslin's obtained this information and because the Croslin's called the non-emergency police line this info is sealed. Both Tommy and Timmy Croslin have remained for the most part out of the public eye following Haleigh's disappearance and Hank Jr has not taken a LDT. Tracking dogs did go near Tommy's house from the pond.

First I want to say thank you....:blowkiss:
I had a lot of questions about all the above and you have helped clear the air sort of speak.

I do recall that Chelsea said that the FM was staying with her...let me go see if I can find the link of that article. I think she stated this when she got the van back. I may be wrong...it's so confusing as it is. They all kept saying how they did not trust cousin Joe, but LE said he was interview and really didn't say much more. I always found all the rumors to be very odd...the so called fight between cousin Joe and Ron...Joe leaving the same night Haleigh goes missing...I agree Misty is the key to answer all these questions....but feel that Ron..Joe...Misty are three that need to be looked into with a fine tooth comb. I know LE said Ron and Crystal are not suspects...but that does not mean that LE is being honest. They also said in the same breath that nobody is clear from how I understood it....why would they say who was the real POI?
Misty may have the information leading to the real POI and I feel that is what LE wants....I do feel someone else that is involved. Maybe it was intentional...maybe it was an accident? Who knows..another Anthony case is brewing "IMO". I do feel your heading the right direction though, I wish I could help more...



New Details Emerge In Haleigh Cummings Disappearance said Lisa Croslin
Last Update: 3/04 10:10 pm

SATSUMA, Fla. -
"If my family there's watching it I don't care...I think that he needs to be brought here and questioned and interrogated by cops he don't know," said Lisa Croslin.
Croslin is talking about her nephew. The 19-year-old was in town a few weeks before Haleigh's disappearance. She says before Haleigh was taken, her nephew got in a fight with Haleigh's father, Ronald.
"What happened is he had stolen Ronald's gun...and one morning on the porch he said Ronald would get what's coming to him...then it was dropped, and he left," said Lisa Croslin.
Croslin says her nephew left the day Haleigh was abducted. She also tells us a light blue van her nephew might have drove was confiscated and analyzed by police. Croslin's husband Hank says a mysterious gash appeared on the side of the van the night Haleigh disappeared.
The Croslins say they're positive their daughter had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. They also say they're putting their faith in the police to investigate everyone including their own family. http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopul...QiDvzkemQ.cspx




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[bunnyphoenix1]

I wonder if Tommy has a lawyer for tomorrow's hearing? And whether he'll consent to, or defend against, the restraining order. I wonder if Misty will be represented?

 

[cajun]

I wonder if Tommy has a lawyer for tomorrow's hearing? And whether he'll consent to, or defend against, the restraining order. I wonder if Misty will be represented?

I will be surprised if he shows up. If an attorney is representing him it would say on the court records.