Hank Croslin Jr Talks

[SeriouslySearching]

Very very good point Snookie! Why WOULD Misty let her brother around those kids?? And to take it a step further.... why would MISTY herself want to have him over to "visit" and all if he had abused her?? Most women would not want the man who molested them hanging around their home.

If it was a stranger, I would agree with you. This was her brother and the dynamics of the situation are much different. No one has ever said she left her brother alone with the children at any time. I honestly believe Misty loves her nieces and nephews. To spend time with them, she had to "get along" with Tommy.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Surely LE has checked phone records to see if Timmy got a call from Misty around that time. She had been fussing on the phone with Ron, cleaning, and washing with no detergent. How could she have gone to sleep so quickly and not heard someone knocking? There's no reason to be so evasive and inconsistent if she left the house. She could always say that she was upset and walked around the block a few times. It would be better than being suspected of murder. She's got to be covering for someone or herself related to the disappearance itself.

Precisely. If there were anything MC or RC could offer in the way of exculpating MC I feel quite certain they would have come up with it by now. Instead, Misty continues fumbling for answers during interviews while RC just looks stony faced ahead... just keep lookin' straight ahead...
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[elle1919]

First, I'd like to say I'm on nobody's side but Haleigh's. Nobody in this sorry mess is above suspicion at this point, and nobody is 100% believable to me.

The phone call between Misty & Ron that was supposedly about babysitting - how do we know this was the topic of discussion/reason for arguement? Because Misty or Ron said so? Nope, I don't believe anything either one says. What we know is there was a phone call - then the phone was turned off.

Now, HC2 says he went to the mh at 10pm after Ron called him. Fact, Ron called HC2 at some point that evening, after the call with misty. Everything else is not a fact.

For me, the only FACTS are the ones that can be verified by some proof other than the word of a Cummings or Croslin family member.

so we have as facts:

Ron drove recklessly that morning past bus stop (witnessed by neighbors).
Haleigh didn't take the bus that morning.
Haleigh did attend school that day.
Haleigh got off school bus, picked up by Ron. (per Flossie stating this info was stated by LE)
Ron went into work sometime in the early evening and worked "normal" shift.
Phone Call from RC to MC at around 8:30.
Phone call from RC to HC2 a bit later.
Phone call to 911 at 3:30ish am.
Haleigh was/is still missing.

LE hasn't held the mh as the "crime scene". Nor have they really called the mh that.

I don't put much stock into anything any of the players in this case says. I don't know if Misty was there at 10.

My opinion based upon conjecture and gut feelings is that Misty was not at the Mobile Home that night, and neither were the kids. Figure out where they were and you'll find the crime scene.

Just wanted you to have the correct information kikid.....in this video you will see LE Captain stating that the tape was up around the home because he wanted to preserve the "crime scene".

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh

 

[vickycopsy]

So far from what I have read from everyone on this thread is that the majority of people think Misty was not in the MH that night while Ron was a work. Most of you think she was out partying I believe.

What about this? What if she was out disposing of the body and not out partying?The gramma was saying on NG last night that Misty had been awake for 24 hours and was exhausted. Maybe she gave Haleigh something to make her fall asleep faster and accidentally over dosed her? Mayber Junior fell asleep on his own, but Haliegh was wide awake and so Misty gave her something to sleep so Misty herself could sleep? And perhaps Haleigh had a siezure or something in reaction to whatever drug Misty gave her. (And allegedly Misty was a drug user with access to drugs).

I guess maybe I have wishful thinking,.. I don't want to believe Haleigh suffered at the hands of a pervert or was brutally murdered by Misty or Hank. I guess I just don't want to believe what so many of you believe.

 

[kiki the parrot]

First, I'd like to say I'm on nobody's side but Haleigh's. Nobody in this sorry mess is above suspicion at this point, and nobody is 100% believable to me.

The phone call between Misty & Ron that was supposedly about babysitting - how do we know this was the topic of discussion/reason for arguement? Because Misty or Ron said so? Nope, I don't believe anything either one says. What we know is there was a phone call - then the phone was turned off.

Now, HC2 says he went to the mh at 10pm after Ron called him. Fact, Ron called HC2 at some point that evening, after the call with misty. Everything else is not a fact.

For me, the only FACTS are the ones that can be verified by some proof other than the word of a Cummings or Croslin family member.

so we have as facts:

Ron drove recklessly that morning past bus stop (witnessed by neighbors).
Haleigh didn't take the bus that morning.
Haleigh did attend school that day.
Haleigh got off school bus, picked up by Ron. (per Flossie stating this info was stated by LE)
Ron went into work sometime in the early evening and worked "normal" shift.
Phone Call from RC to MC at around 8:30.
Phone call from RC to HC2 a bit later.
Phone call to 911 at 3:30ish am.
Haleigh was/is still missing.

LE hasn't held the mh as the "crime scene". Nor have they really called the mh that.

I don't put much stock into anything any of the players in this case says. I don't know if Misty was there at 10.

My opinion based upon conjecture and gut feelings is that Misty was not at the Mobile Home that night, and neither were the kids. Figure out where they were and you'll find the crime scene.

With the notable exception bbm, I agree w the other true facts you've laid out here.
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[kikid]

The stories surrounding the bus stop are a non-issue because LE already has confirmed what took place up until late evening at the mh. They questioned Lindsey about a 4 hour window which she stated were the hours leading up to the 911 call. The subject here is Tommy's story about what happened during that time period basically.

What did Tommy do after he supposedly knocked on the door? Where did he go? Who saw him? When did Lindsey state she saw him again? When did she go to bed or wake up? What is Tommy's story after he places himself at the scene?

Btw~ LE did hold the mh as a "crime scene" for over 2 weeks. I can provide many articles and videos which will back this up.

they also released it after 2 short weeks, stating NO evidence found! none! so , you read into that what you will and I'll do likewise.

 

[vickycopsy]

If it was a stranger, I would agree with you. This was her brother and the dynamics of the situation are much different. No one has ever said she left her brother alone with the children at any time. I honestly believe Misty loves her nieces and nephews. To spend time with them, she had to "get along" with Tommy.

True statement SS, I will give it to you that surely the dynamics of the situation are different when it was a brother.

If Misty truly believes her brother is a molester I hope she looks out for her nieces and nephews.....

 

[kikid]

So far from what I have read from everyone on this thread is that the majority of people think Misty was not in the MH that night while Ron was a work. Most of you think she was out partying I believe.

What about this? What if she was out disposing of the body and not out partying?The gramma was saying on NG last night that Misty had been awake for 24 hours and was exhausted. Maybe she gave Haleigh something to make her fall asleep faster and accidentally over dosed her? Mayber Junior fell asleep on his own, but Haliegh was wide awake and so Misty gave her something to sleep so Misty herself could sleep? And perhaps Haleigh had a siezure or something in reaction to whatever drug Misty gave her. (And allegedly Misty was a drug user with access to drugs).

I guess maybe I have wishful thinking,.. I don't want to believe Haleigh suffered at the hands of a pervert or was brutally murdered by Misty or Hank. I guess I just don't want to believe what so many of you believe.

I've had these same thoughts. Maybe she gave Haleigh something to make her sleep... and it is definitely feasible to me.

I've also thought, how could TN & GGS leave the kids with her knowing she hadn't slept in that long??? would they really leave the kids there with everything going on as they say was going on in that home?

I've also thought maybe GGS took the kids back to her place when she came over and misty shut off her phone and passed out at 8:30 - til Ron came home and told her to call 911. This would jive with the 10pm visit from her brother too ??

I've come up with so many possible scenarios, all could be true - jeesh I sure wish some true evidence could be found to point to the truth in this case.

 

[kiki the parrot]

She failed the poly because she knows more than she is saying.. My guess is that she knows Hank did it. I bet Ronald passed the lie detector test before he figured out what happened. Wonder if he could pass it now?
The entire family unity is falling apart because of the stress of the secrets they are keeping. They each have something to lose, if one rats out the other..it will start a domino effect of ratting each other out for other crimes they have committed or something they don't want exposed. They have each other over a barrel so to speak, so they have to maintain the lie of what happened to Haleigh to protect themselves from one another... it's an all or none situation. If one goes down, they are dragging the other two with.

My theory at least..

(bbm) And this would explain why it is HC2 who receives the rat... :waitasec:

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[Busylady]

I know it is confusing but the person on the video is Chelsea not Lindsy and the scratch in the van convo was between Chelsea and Lindsy not Misty and Chelsea. Chelsea is talking on the video and says she called me (Lindsy) asked if she put the scratch in her van (Lindsy owns the van). The article is poorly written as well, if you search the various threads there is alot of discussion on this.

I just watched the video about the van. LC said that Misty called her the evening Haleigh disappeared (after 911 call) and asked about the scratch in the van. Now my question is this, I know there had to be alot of chaos, so when did Misty notice the scratch? I mean, a child had just gone missing why would she even question the scratch on the van? I know I wouldn't be worried about no scratch on no the van if my child/stepchild has just been duscovered missing. What are we missing here? I noticed also that Lindsy referred to the van as Misty's? Did Misty have an extra key? For Misty to make that call to Lindsy and ask about the scratch on the van in the middle of all the chaos,, IMO it was either 1 or 2 things: 1. Misty knew or at least had a feeling that the van was used in Haleigh's disappearance? Who had access to the van? 2) Misty herself put that scratch in the van and her making that phone call was all part of the coverup, just like sending Hank to the MH.

jmo

 

[kiki the parrot]

Why not ? It seems people are taking the word of some questionable people all the way around.

LE came out early in this investigation and said a tip came in Misty was not home that night, that I believe was in the first month into this investigation if my memory serves me right. People may not be coming forward with the information because they are involved with what happened to Haleigh.

IMO only Ron's attorney skated tonight on NG with questions asked about his client it is his job to do damage control period.
Regardless if Ron asked Tommy to go over there, Tommy may have taken it upon himself to go over there and see if everything was allright. He may have never told Ronald that he found out Misty was not there, and kept his mouth shut from there on out when Misty came up with her "story".
I also do not feel that Tommy should not be cleared just yet as well...

I thought it had been reported tonight that the family ( Cummings) knew that Tommy had been to the MH that night and knew Misty was not there.
Ron himself has said that the bed was not slept in, that no one had been on that bed.

I can not for the life of me figure out the need here to protect Misty, as this is what I see after tonight from this family. I am just beside myself.
Misty was not home that night and wether she left the kids home alone that night or found a ride and took them with her remains to be seen yet, but it is my firm belief that she knows more then she is telling and shame on her for that and I cannot believe this family is backing her up, something is going on there.
This is jmo of course

Well said, JMO2 and agree w bbm, I also thought this is likely the reason that whomever was w MC has not volunteered to step forward w this info...

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[elle1919]

I must be on a lot of peoples ignore lists.......I just posted a video of Dick Schauland stating the house was being held as a crime scene.

Also while I was going back to look for that video in the proper thread I saw a thread on the bus stop and it was closed by a moderator. When I inquired why it was closed it was stated that it was closed for discussion. However here....http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80284&page=3 there is a video posted that has an interview posted that TN says her son picked up Haleigh from the bus stop.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

they also released it after 2 short weeks, stating NO evidence found! none! so , you read into that what you will and I'll do likewise.

If Tommy was responsible, what evidence could they expect to find? NONE! If he went into the mh knowing Ronald was working late that night and he took Haleigh (maybe she woke up and willingly went with him out the back door)...there would be no evidence other than on the cement block which is an iffy object to obtain evidence anyway. If he wore gloves to move it...there is not a trace of anything that LE would be able to find. Tommy places himself there at or near the time Haleigh goes missing...if the report is true. His DNA and fingerprints would definitely be there somewhere.

The bus stop is really off topic and I should not have responded to the other post. This is about what Tommy said and did after he supposedly talked to Ronald late that evening. Elle~ You are certainly not on my iggy list. Thanks for the video of DS! The mh was treated as a crime scene and referred to it as such.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I don't think Tommy knocked on any door. I think his story is full of holes. He now has no alibi for that time period since he was not at home with his wife while he places himself at the scene. This is very important!

There's something I can't dismiss from the back of my head. Perhaps Misty was coming off a high...or sleeping it off...or just flat out exhausted from the previous nights/weekend's lack of sleep - perhaps she did in fact sleep through the abduction...I'm bothered by Ron stating it didn't appear as if she had slept in the bed. Something else, in the videotaped analysis of Misty's questioning by TES expert (who happened to also work with TES on the Natalee Holloway disappearance), they've informed there's discrepancies in Misty's answers. I'm wondering if maybe that's b/c Misty actually doesn't remember but deep down inside, it may be in the back of her mind (such as if something happened while she was "out of it", so she may not really remember it correctly). Is that even possible? One last thing, alot of us would never socialize with someone that smoked crack, let alone let them around our children...but something people fail to realize is that Misty grew up in this environment, therefore I would think she'd be more lenient of somebody in her family that would be involved with drugs.

I have faith and am fairly certain that LE has phone records of all involved. The fact that Ron denies ever asking Tommy to "go check on Misty" gives me reason for pause...if anything, to have an open mind. No matter how positive I'd like to be, something's definitely up with Tommy...unless of course he told LE this stuff in the beginning and it's really not new info.

Re: Teresa N informing this at link below with snippet:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...r_no_one_came_to_door_night_of_haleighs_disap

Teresa Neves, who is Ronald Cummings' mother, said her son told her he spoke with Hank Croslin that night but did not tell him to go to the mobile home.

"He did not ask Tommy to go check on Misty," she said.

Bowling said it is the first time anyone has said they were at the mobile home after Cummings' grandmother Annette Sykes left about 7:30 p.m.

 

[trigger]

I don't think that the brother did anything to Haleigh & I think his story matches with everything else that has been said. I think that she took the kids with her and left that evening after her and Ron had a fight. There was no crime scene found in that home which leads me to believe that if Misty was never there then the crime scene could be at a friends house or wherever it was she went to. What if she was partying it up, took the kids with her & she put them to bed in room in the friends house but Haleigh threw a fit b.c it was in the dark & she was scared. What if one of her friends or Misty herself in the drugged up stupor kill Haleigh b/c she wouldn't shut up? RJ could have been asleep by the time they got to wherever Misty was going so they could have taken him straight to the bedroom. You wouldn't believe how kids can sleep through stuff. I mean I think that is highly possible that she wouldn't go to sleep and so Misty & her friends got annoyed and couldn't take it. You would be surprised at the crap some people do when they are drugged up. JMO

ITA with what you said. And thats why the bed was not slept in. Thats why they really didn't pick up her scent. The MH was not the crime scene.

Still so many questions. LE should give us more information.

 

[Busylady]

I have wondered if they reason they are questioning Lindsy regarding the 4 hours up until the 911 call was made, is because Tommy was not home at some point during those four hours. Do they have cell phone pings or records of calls from Tommy during those four hours, and are questioning Lindsy to see if she can place Tommy's whereabouts during those times?

The stories surrounding the bus stop are a non-issue because LE already has confirmed what took place up until late evening at the mh. They questioned Lindsey about a 4 hour window which she stated were the hours leading up to the 911 call. The subject here is Tommy's story about what happened during that time period basically.

What did Tommy do after he supposedly knocked on the door? Where did he go? Who saw him? When did Lindsey state she saw him again? When did she go to bed or wake up? What is Tommy's story after he places himself at the scene?

Btw~ LE did hold the mh as a "crime scene" for over 2 weeks. I can provide many articles and videos which will back this up.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I must be on a lot of peoples ignore lists.......I just posted a video of Dick Schauland stating the house was being held as a crime scene.

Also while I was going back to look for that video in the proper thread I saw a thread on the bus stop and it was closed by a moderator. When I inquired why it was closed it was statedthat it was closed for discussion. However here....http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80284&page=3 there is a video posted that has an interview posted that TN says her son picked up Haleigh from the bus stop.

You're not on mine. I can't view most videos when at work.

"The return of Haleigh is the most important thing, but we also have a crime involved somewhere with her disappearance," Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said.

"We don’t know for sure what’s happened, but we do know that somewhere down the end of the line there’s going to be some type of crime involved,” Capt. Dick Schauland, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, said Friday.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Tommy "Hank" Croslin never molested Misty....IMO...neither did JO and I have serious doubts about the kid Misty put behind bars for 8 eight years...IMO.

All I know is, if MC is so loving, concerned and devoted toward children and these allegations were remotely true, there is no way in #ell someone who'd suffered abuse at their hands would allow them within a country MILE of the children she claims to protect and adore. Can't have it both ways. JMO

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[elle1919]

You're not on mine. I can't view most videos when at work.

"The return of Haleigh is the most important thing, but we also have a crime involved somewhere with her disappearance," Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said.

"We don’t know for sure what’s happened, but we do know that somewhere down the end of the line there’s going to be some type of crime involved,” Capt. Dick Schauland, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, said Friday.

and he goes on to state that it is for those reasons that they were holding the mh as a crime scene.

I have to take a break from this right now. I have been sitting here for the better part of the day when I need to be helping my daughter fill out student aid applications for school. God bless Haleigh and all of those who love her.

 

[Flossie JMO]

and he goes on to state that it is for those reasons that they were holding the mh as a crime scene.

I have to take a break from this right now. I have been sitting here for the better part of the day when I need to be helping my daughter fill out student aid applications for school. God bless Haleigh and all of those who love her.

Yes they kept it awhile, then released it. Afterward they still believed HaLeigh was alive as there was no evidence that she isn't. They later took the door.

Hope it all goes well for your daughter!