Harley in the Hangar: Chop Shop?

[matou]

We have no idea whether the TB truck was stolen? I think most people do have an idea, including by who. JMO

 

[swedie]

No actually I don't comprende. I asked for the twists, turns, ups and downs of which you are speaking as I haven't seen any evidence of them either in the press, by way of press releases or from factually based opinion. HTH



Associates?? Are we now suggesting that MB, SS, JS, SB and three alleged deceased individuals are somehow connected to the case other than being deceased, a mother, friend, girlfriend or wife?

As I recall, when the subject has be raised previously that maybe SS or AS were possibly connected to the case it was dismissed. MB, JS have never been implicated in anything, from what I have read.Please can you clarify what you mean TIA




Vehicle thefts don't seem to be a part of any of the cases. Someone closing up shop in regard to their business seems quite a normal thing especially when you consider that the company appears to have been being sabotaged in some way, just my opinion of course but still a possibility IMO. I see not too many twists and turns and that has been the problem for me. Everything was too neatly pointing to one person, eerily and suspiciously so as a matter of fact in my opinion.



As for MS, we may well find out that the guns had more to do with him than DM and that he used his friends (DM) properties, cell phone and vehicles as he did the Maple Court address, either that or someone(s) else did. KWIM?

To the point, plan and simple...This case is very complex as opposed to the peppers and cocaine one which RP won. "Associates"... knowing or having a connection by my definition. HTH.

BTW vehicle thefts do seem to be connected to this case: the theory TB was murdered for his truck, the HD and its trailer found in the hangar.

Hmm, sabotaged business. You're obviously speaking of DM. He's the one who refused to comply with recommendations cleaning up his toys, allowing potential clients to be brought in to view the hangar in order to set up a business deals, sign contracts. BTW AS had contracts in hand IIRC. Closing up business is not the norm when someone signs a big contract for 25 years and especially when the business didn't even get under way...not normal. Typically people sign those contracts when a business looks promising. WM was hopeful but DM saw it as a responsibility he didn't want because it would require too much ambition on his part. It was all about the money to carry on his carefree lifestyle, all play and no work.

DM neatly pointed everything in his direction. Not such a smart idea when one is hoping to get away with murder. He figured he got away with two murders but didn't plan the third very well or he simply ran out of time. Burner phone, cover of darkness, his little hideaway in the country, the incinerator to make someone disappear (suggestively LB, and DM had hoped TB also), hiding TB's truck in his trailer and dumping it at his mother's until he felt the heat was off and safe enough to take it back to the hangar to start the chopping process. Just think, another week or so DM could have erased most of the trail he left.

What's really eerie is, according to his track record, three murders in approximately nine months. Had DM not been caught, by my calculations, DM may have had eight or more victims by now. :scared: Is this what he referred to when he said "For heaven sakes, it's right in front of everyone's face and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!?"? Was he saying there are more victims people/LE haven't connected him with?
ALL MOO.

 

[swedie]

With the constant unnecessary (IMO) focus on an apparently non existent chop shop, it often becomes negligible when talking about the black pickup belonging to TB. JMO. Thank you for the invite to read past posts but I have done already, without the prompt. The word used was thefts not theft on my part as it followed on from Swedies post which also said thefts (plural) HTH
We also have no idea whether the TB truck was stolen or by who. The focus always seems to be on DM, but I believe there is another accused and a felon sitting in the wings selling everything from drugs to guns. I guess the details will be revealed in due course. JMO

Don't chop shops like to get vehicles in and out ASAP? How many vehicles had come and gone from the hangar, leaving as few as ten when LE made the discovery? Seems the chop shop was a fairly new business for DM, which IMO seemed to have started some time after WM's murder...so three to five months production? Oh BTW when reporters said "giant", pretty sure they meant the size of the building, not the amount of vehicles and parts within. Here are a couple of the numerous links on the subject of the chop shop. HTH and MOO.

Murder suspect’s Waterloo hangar set up as 'chop shop'
Police say they've found evidence that suggests a hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport owned by Dellen Millard was being used as a giant "chop shop" for stolen vehicles.
Hamilton police confirmed Thursday they're investigating multiple stolen vehicles and parts found inside the massive Breslau hangar. One of the vehicles was a $35,000 Harley Davidson motorcycle... Police say they're still trying to track down owners of the discovered vehicles, putting the number found at fewer than 10.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-as-chop-shop-/

Police said Friday they found evidence the hangar was recently used as a “chop shop,” with many stolen vehicles and parts on the premises.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

 

[Tamarind]

Don't chop shops like to get vehicles in and out ASAP? How many vehicles had come and gone from the hangar, leaving as few as ten when LE made the discovery?

I think you will find it says it was less than ten, (possibly one or even zero ?). MM's Harley is quite an enigma in my opinion. What did LE discover? Wasn't it just the alleged dismantled Harley?

Seems the chop shop was a fairly new business for DM, which IMO seemed to have started some time after WM's murder...so three to five months production? Oh BTW when reporters said "giant", pretty sure they meant the size of the building, not the amount of vehicles and parts within. Here are a couple of the numerous links on the subject of the chop shop. HTH and MOO.

There is no evidence of a chop shop, no charges for such either. Just claiming one existed is not enough to claim as a fact IMHO. As yet WM death is a suicide. 3-5 months production of what ?? just a nice clean hangar with no evidence of any chop shop !

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3250204-murder-suspect-s-waterloo-hangar-set-up-as-chop-shop-/

Had any stolen vehicles been found we would have heard far more about it that that somewhat dated press article IMO. No charges laid for anything, not even the alleged dismantled uninsured Harley from what I can tell.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

 

[swedie]

I think you will find it says it was less than ten, (possibly one or even zero ?). MM's Harley is quite an enigma in my opinion. What did LE discover? Wasn't it just the alleged dismantled Harley?



There is no evidence of a chop shop, no charges for such either. Just claiming one existed is not enough to claim as a fact IMHO. As yet WM death is a suicide. 3-5 months production of what ?? just a nice clean hangar with no evidence of any chop shop !



Had any stolen vehicles been found we would have heard far more about it that that somewhat dated press article IMO. No charges laid for anything, not even the alleged dismantled uninsured Harley from what I can tell.

We've recently had discussion covering the no charges/chop shop issue. Check out the other thread. HTH.

Could this be a figment of my imagination, your enigma? Is the photo and information lying? I guess everyone could be lying. All just to frame DM because after all everyone has something against him. Everyone is out to get DM for God know whatever reason. Maybe it's his millions or his hangar or just because everyone is jealous that he was a failure in so many aspects of life? Respectfully, what do you suspect everyones motives are to see DM suffer the rest of his life in prison? MOO.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

WM's death has been now ruled murder and DM is charged with his father's murder. HTH. Just because the evidence hasn't been presented in court, doesn't mean it's not real or we cannot believe what's in the MSM. MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

To the point, plan and simple...This case is very complex as opposed to the peppers and cocaine one which RP won. "Associates"... knowing or having a connection by my definition. HTH.

BTW vehicle thefts do seem to be connected to this case: the theory TB was murdered for his truck, the HD and its trailer found in the hangar.

Hmm, sabotaged business. You're obviously speaking of DM. He's the one who refused to comply with recommendations cleaning up his toys, allowing potential clients to be brought in to view the hangar in order to set up a business deals, sign contracts. BTW AS had contracts in hand IIRC. Closing up business is not the norm when someone signs a big contract for 25 years and especially when the business didn't even get under way...not normal.

I think it is normal in the climate I described. AS did not have contracts from what I have read, leading to DM asking him about the lack of such contracts IIRC.

Typically people sign those contracts when a business looks promising. WM was hopeful but DM saw it as a responsibility he didn't want because it would require too much ambition on his part. It was all about the money to carry on his carefree lifestyle, all play and no work

I asked for some factual evidence Swedie, whilst I appreciate your opinion (above), with respect, I would still like to have a few facts and not speculation in regard to the twists, turns, ups and downs etc.

DM neatly pointed everything in his direction. Not such a smart idea when one is hoping to get away with murder. He figured he got away with two murders but didn't plan the third very well or he simply ran out of time. Burner phone, cover of darkness, his little hideaway in the country, the incinerator to make someone disappear (suggestively LB, and DM had hoped TB also), hiding TB's truck in his trailer and dumping it at his mother's until he felt the heat was off and safe enough to take it back to the hangar to start the chopping process. Just think, another week or so DM could have erased most of the trail he left.

This is still opinion and speculation imo, so I have to come to the conclusion that the twists, turns, ups and downs are all subject to interpretation and or bias by the reader/poster. I'm sure you were not meaning to veer from the question asked, I can see you have strong opinions. I just like to base my reality on facts and not elaborate too much when I have nothing to base any elaborations on. For me it tends to muddy waters and I like to deal with the root of a problem and not end up with a lot of wild shoots, that lead nowhere. At least we are both passionate in what we believe in, that's the main thing.

What's really eerie is, according to his track record, three murders in approximately nine months. Had DM not been caught, by my calculations, DM may have had eight or more victims by now. :scared: Is this what he referred to when he said "For heaven sakes, it's right in front of everyone's face and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!?"? Was he saying there are more victims people/LE haven't connected him with?

I highly doubt that's what he means. He sounds more bothered at the lack of common sense and basic intuition that he obviously finds frustrating.
ALL MOO.

 

[Tamarind]

We've recently had discussion covering the no charges/chop shop issue. Check out the other thread. HTH.

Could this be a figment of my imagination, your enigma? Is the photo and information lying? I guess everyone could be lying. All just to frame DM because after all everyone has something against him. Everyone is out to get DM for God know whatever reason. Maybe it's his millions or his hangar or just because everyone is jealous that he was a failure in so many aspects of life? Respectfully, what do you suspect everyones motives are to see DM suffer the rest of his life in prison? MOO.

View attachment 78150http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

WM's death has been now ruled murder and DM is charged with his father's murder. HTH. Just because the evidence hasn't been presented in court, doesn't mean it's not real or we cannot believe what's in the MSM. MOO.

Respectfully I think you miss my point. When I say everything was suspiciously pointing to DM, I meant everything. HTH

Simple as that really !

 

[Arnie M]

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Any vehicle (singular) that is stolen and dismantled is "Chopped" .... one is all it takes to fulfill the definition , and whether it is done in a basement , a small garage , or a huge hangar does not matter , it can properly be called a "Chop Shop"

And in Dellen's case we know he had at least two stolen vehicles , the motorcycle and Mr Bosmas truck which most likely would have been dismantled if not for that pesky murder charge that got in the way.

And it does not matter who did the dismantling , a hireling , a mechanic , the thief , or DM himself , the fact remains a stolen and chopped vehicle was found on premises owned by DM

The only thing yet to be determined is whether it was a small volume Chop Shop or a large volume Chop Shop

 

[Tamarind]

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(modsnip)

Any vehicle (singular) that is stolen and dismantled is "Chopped" .... one is all it takes to fulfill the definition , and whether it is done in a basement , a small garage , or a huge hangar does not matter , it can properly be called a "Chop Shop"

And in Dellen's case we know he had at least two stolen vehicles , the motorcycle and Mr Bosmas truck which most likely would have been dismantled if not for that pesky murder charge that got in the way.

And it does not matter who did the dismantling , a hireling , a mechanic , the thief , or DM himself , the fact remains a stolen and chopped vehicle was found on premises owned by DM

The only thing yet to be determined is whether it was a small volume Chop Shop or a large volume Chop Shop

There have been no charges in regard to a chop shop. I have to disagree Arnie that all it takes for a chop shop is one dismantled vehicle. To me, thats like saying all you have to be to be a coffee shop is sell one cup of coffee or to be a toy shop you need only sell one Iggle Piggle. IMO

We do not know that DM stole anything, imo. It is very likely that DM had nothing to do with the HD and at this point we do not know the full story behind the Bosma truck. It is difficult to separate fact from fiction when stories are embellished from the actual basic facts ( limited as they are) of the case. IMO. A jury will be extremely interested in who actually did what in regard to the case.I think it will be an integral part of the trial. People (juries) will hopefully be comprised of people who work with fact and will be able to separate that fact from embellishments by the Crown and all media. Hopefully ! MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

There have been no charges in regard to a chop shop. I have to disagree Arnie that all it takes for a chop shop is one dismantled vehicle. To me, thats like saying all you have to be to be a coffee shop is sell one cup of coffee or to be a toy shop you need only sell one Iggle Piggle. IMO

We do not know that DM stole anything, imo. It is very likely that DM had nothing to do with the HD and at this point we do not know the full story behind the Bosma truck. It is difficult to separate fact from fiction when stories are embellished from the actual basic facts ( limited as they are) of the case. IMO.

So when does a coffee shop become a coffee shop? How many cups of coffee do they have to sell? Are they not a coffee shop on their first day? Or do they have to meet a certain threshhold of coffee sold to become a coffee shop? What is that magic number that turns a restaurant into a coffee shop?

I think if they INTEND to sell coffee, they are a coffee shop, and they don't even have to be selling coffee at that moment - they just have to have the intent to sell coffee.

A jury will be extremely interested in who actually did what in regard to the case.I think it will be an integral part of the trial. People (juries) will hopefully be comprised of people who work with fact and will be able to separate that fact from embellishments by the Crown and all media. Hopefully ! MOO

I too think who actually did what in regard to the case will be an integral part of the trial. In fact, that may be a definition of a trial.

Certain people would not be admitted to the jury though. If someone has a rigid preconceived notion that DM is innocent, they will not be selected to serve on the jury. Unfortunately, I think the jury will share more in common with the majority here than with you, Tamarind. Your blind enthusiasm for DM would prevent you from serving on the jury.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The U.S. definition of a chop shop...

Definition.— For purposes of this section, the term “chop shop” means any building, lot, facility, or other structure or premise where one or more persons engage in receiving, concealing, destroying, disassembling, dismantling, reassembling, or storing any passenger motor vehicle or passenger motor vehicle part which has been unlawfully obtained in order to alter, counterfeit, deface, destroy, disguise, falsify, forge, obliterate, or remove the identity, including the vehicle identification number or derivative thereof, of such vehicle or vehicle part and to distribute, sell, or dispose of such vehicle or vehicle part in interstate or foreign commerce.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2322

I can't imagine that Canada's definition is much different. The only stolen and dismantled items that we know of that were found in the hanger were the Harley and it's trailer. Since it was still there in pieces a year later, I guess it wasn't much of a chop shop IMO.

As for the coffee shop, IMO it wouldn't be much of a coffee shop either if it had only sold one cup of coffee. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the proprietor of that coffee shop chose to cut costs and dismantle the business if the business development consultant couldn't manage to bring in any new business. Should the coffee shop remain open with no customers just because someone thought it was a good time and a good place? How long should that proprietor continue to lose money before deciding the plan just wasn't working?

JMO

 

[Tamarind]

So when does a coffee shop become a coffee shop? How many cups of coffee do they have to sell? Are they not a coffee shop on their first day? Or do they have to meet a certain threshhold of coffee sold to become a coffee shop? What is that magic number that turns a restaurant into a coffee shop?

I think if they INTEND to sell coffee, they are a coffee shop, and they don't even have to be selling coffee at that moment - they just have to have the intent to sell coffee.

If someone INTENDS on being a millionaire, does that make them one? Or if someone INTENDS on winning a marathon, does that make them the winner?

I too think who actually did what in regard to the case will be an integral part of the trial. In fact, that may be a definition of a trial.

Certain people would not be admitted to the jury though. If someone has a rigid preconceived notion that DM is innocent, they will not be selected to serve on the jury. Unfortunately, I think the jury will share more in common with the majority here than with you, Tamarind. Your blind enthusiasm for DM would prevent you from serving on the jury.

You do not know me of course, but I can assure you my desire to presume innocence is not at all blind or rigid. I do not blindly make decisions on anyone's guilt or innocence, I weigh up the evidence together with the lack of and form a very thought out opinion. I do not have a tendency to see a hole in the road and think it is a sinkhole. I realize that there is often a lot of possibilities when it comes to holes in the road. I think juries should not consist of anyone who finds it easy to judge others based on lies and deceptive tactics, we can only hope that a decent, unbiased jury is selected for these trials and all trials. IMO

 

[swedie]

The U.S. definition of a chop shop...



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2322

I can't imagine that Canada's definition is much different. The only stolen and dismantled items that we know of that were found in the hanger were the Harley and it's trailer. Since it was still there in pieces a year later, I guess it wasn't much of a chop shop IMO.

As for the coffee shop, IMO it wouldn't be much of a coffee shop either if it had only sold one cup of coffee. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the proprietor of that coffee shop chose to cut costs and dismantle the business if the business development consultant couldn't manage to bring in any new business. Should the coffee shop remain open with no customers just because someone thought it was a good time and a good place? How long should that proprietor continue to lose money before deciding the plan just wasn't working?

JMO

Respectfully, wasn't this information/definition posted up thread some time ago or am I having déjà vu? That seems to be happening a lot to me lately. :waitasec:

OK well anyhow, one stolen $35,000 HD and one stolen $7500 convertible softail cargo trailer is, one plus one equalling two too many stolen vehicles found in DM's hangar. And 1/4 of the parts missing...Wonder who bought or made use of the parts? Or were the parts packaged up and left the building with the delivery guy who made daily deliveries up until the day after TB's disappearance. What else was DM hiding in the hangar that he didn't want the delivery guy seeing? TB's truck in the process of getting chopped, with it's seats removed, perhaps the incinerator? TB's disappearance made big headlines the day after he disappeared. Surely the delivery person would have heard the reports on the radio of his delivery vehicle about the missing man and his black, Dodge pickup truck. I bet he did and was on the look out.

So is it to be suggested while DM slept in each day, arriving at the hangar, some time after noon, some little kleptomaniac elves busied themselves striping, grinding and repainting MM's stolen HD and DM was none the wiser? Were the elves able to hide the HD and trailer amongst all the other toys in the hangar before DM showed up to work in the afternoon? Or maybe DM didn't know it was stolen because he had so many rich buddies who could afford at $35,000 HD to rip apart just for shitz and gigs, and in the process the buddy thought it would be fun to grind away serial numbers. Maybe he gave that particular job to DM? Interesting how that rich buddy hasn't been charged yet either for the HD and trailer theft.

ALL MOO. :moo:

Even if large-scale aircraft weren’t finding their way into the Millard hangar, some materials were.
One company that made regular deliveries to the hangar tells CTV News the deliveries suddenly stopped the day after Bosma’s disappearance.
There was no further contact between the company and Millard Air until last week, when the employee the company always dealt with showed up and said it would be business as usual beginning this week.
The company says it was skeptical about that claim, and locked the cash-only account in Dellen Millard’s name over the weekend.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/activity-at-millard-air-hangar-not-what-airport-boss-expected-1.1302652

 

[Juballee]

Respectfully, information gets repeated here often, almost as often as the opinions.

The facts as we know them haven't changed yet though. The facts remain that although the Harley was found on MillardAir property, there is video of the truck that took it, and the trailer was immediately registered in a new (undoubtably real) name, no charges have been placed against DM for that crime.

Since LE has had well over 2 years to investigate and press the charges, and there is absolutely no reason for LE not to add an additional charge of auto theft to DM if they could, I feel it is reasonable to assume that LE know to whom the trailer was registered and that DM is not going to be charged with that crime.

In my opinion when DM was first arrested for this crime a lot of people were questioning why a rich guy with numerous vehicles would kill a family man for a used truck, it didn't make sense to people. But when everyone heard that he was probably running a chop shop, then people were able to relax and say, okay, that explains why he might have needed to steal another vehicle. Without the chop shop theory, we are back to square one, wondering why a rich guy with money to buy a fleet of new trucks would want to risk spending his life in jail to steal an old one. And then there was still the question of why he would kill for it when there are so many easier ways to steal a vehicle.

Without the chop shop theory, the whole thing really goes back to not making any sense. And I think that scares some people, and that is why some must cling so tightly to the chop shop theory to make it all make sense to themselves. I also think that we should remember that it is possible that someone else has already been charged with this crime, but that we have just not been made aware if it yet.

This is all just my opinion only, except the part about the facts, those are all still facts.

 

[Kamille]

Well as long as we're talking facts, the facts are that TB went on a test drive with two men, identified as DM and MS, in his truck. Neither TB nor his truck returned home. TB's burned remains were found in an incinerator owned by DM on property owned by DM. His STOLEN truck was found, seats removed, in a trailer owned by DM dropped off in the driveway of DM's mother. Put there by a vehicle with the proper 5th wheel trailer hitch to haul that large trailer, something DM also owned.

That truck was hidden somewhere else before it showed up in MB's driveway. I think we can all guess where LE have discovered the hidden location may have been. The Harley (in pieces) and trailer (illegally registered as a homemade one) which had been stolen about 6 months earlier, were also found in a hangar owned by DM. At the time LE suspected several other vehicles were stolen and in various forms of "chopping". We've seen the pictures of the various parts and engines all over the old hangar. SS, an automobile mechanic, was an "employee" of DM. For what? Why was SS employed by DM? And what was "business as usual" after DM was arrested?

The fact is, after over 2 years of investigating, only DM is facing a charge of Theft Over $5000. Do LE need to add a count for each item found in his possession or does that cover the broad "chop shop" possibility? And if they can't prove who stole the property in the hangar but want to charge someone with simple possession, then that would also be DM. They haven't done that either. So perhaps the charge that has been entered is enough to cover the whole vehicle aspect of this case.

Personally, I've never really subscribed to the "chop shop" theory as far as why there were vehicles and parts in the hangar and why they wanted a Dodge Ram truck with a specific engine at that particular time. In everything I've read, in order to do a conversion to a diesel engine in a truck like DM's red one, you'd pretty much need a whole vehicle for all the parts required. The Baha race was coming up, time was of the essence, and why pay 25 grand for something when you can just take it? Makes it all that more interesting and thrilling to get something for nothing. Same with the Harley. Maybe it was just the trailer he wanted and he got the Harley as a bonus. The ultimate move for a frugal guy. While all the stealing and chopping/altering may have only been for personal use, it's still illegal.

MOO

 

[Juballee]

Well as long as we're talking facts, the facts are that TB went on a test drive with two men, identified as DM and MS, in his truck. Neither TB nor his truck returned home. TB's burned remains were found in an incinerator owned by DM on property owned by DM. His STOLEN truck was found, seats removed, in a trailer owned by DM dropped off in the driveway of DM's mother. Put there by a vehicle with the proper 5th wheel trailer hitch to haul that large trailer, something DM also owned.

That truck was hidden somewhere else before it showed up in MB's driveway. I think we can all guess where LE have discovered the hidden location may have been. The Harley (in pieces) and trailer (illegally registered as a homemade one) which had been stolen about 6 months earlier, were also found in a hangar owned by DM. At the time LE suspected several other vehicles were stolen and in various forms of "chopping". We've seen the pictures of the various parts and engines all over the old hangar. SS, an automobile mechanic, was an "employee" of DM. For what? Why was SS employed by DM? And what was "business as usual" after DM was arrested?

The fact is, after over 2 years of investigating, only DM is facing a charge of Theft Over $5000. Do LE need to add a count for each item found in his possession or does that cover the broad "chop shop" possibility? And if they can't prove who stole the property in the hangar but want to charge someone with simple possession, then that would also be DM. They haven't done that either. So perhaps the charge that has been entered is enough to cover the whole vehicle aspect of this case.

Personally, I've never really subscribed to the "chop shop" theory as far as why there were vehicles and parts in the hangar and why they wanted a Dodge Ram truck with a specific engine at that particular time. In everything I've read, in order to do a conversion to a diesel engine in a truck like DM's red one, you'd pretty much need a whole vehicle for all the parts required. The Baha race was coming up, time was of the essence, and why pay 25 grand for something when you can just take it? Makes it all that more interesting and thrilling to get something for nothing. Same with the Harley. Maybe it was just the trailer he wanted and he got the Harley as a bonus. The ultimate move for a frugal guy. While all the stealing and chopping/altering may have only been for personal use, it's still illegal.

MOO

If you can use one charge to cover other similar crimes, every criminal would want that deal. Steal as many things as you want and only face one count and one charge? That would just encourage crime sprees, realistically, like an all you can eat crime buffet.

As it is pointed out above, LE may have suspected a chop shop in the beginning, but have had over 2 years to investigate and still did not see fit to press charges against DM for the theft of the Harley, the trailer or any other vehicles. If LE can't prove who did it but want to charge someone anyway, why didn't they already? We know know that LE knows the name of the person that the trailer was registered to when it was stolen, and still DM was not charged with stealing it. That would lead people to believe that either DM wasn't the one that it was registered to, or that LE are incompetent, and I choose to believe the first option, personally.

The photos of cars and trucks in pieces were photos from another place and another time, they do not represent the MillardAir hanger in 2012 in any way. The photos of the new hanger looked completely different, gleaming and sparse. It would be quite a leap to say that the older photos of a different location are more representative and relevant than the new photos of the actual place, in my opinion.

Wasn't SS also employed while WM was still alive and no doubt a regular attendee at the hanger? To insinuate that DM was running a chop shop with someone who is not named as a suspect in anything is a bad enough accusation, but that would also mean that WM had to have been in on it too, since it was happening right under his nose for years, and in different locations, according to this insinuation.

If business as usual happened when WM was still alive, continued after his death, and was reinstated a few days after DM was arrested, in full view of LE who were no doubt continuing their investigation at the time, I doubt that 'business as usual' had been at all nefarious. LE would not have allowed an illegal business to continue as usual, that wouldn't make sense.

I'm curious why anyone would want to convert one vehicle to another nearly identical vehicle if you would need pretty much a whole new vehicle for all the parts, when it would be far easier just to trade in one for the other without going through all the intensive physical labour and expense involved? Especially if time was of the essence. Chopping and altering vehicles is not illegal, just the stealing part is.

The facts remain that there is no proof of a chop shop at the hanger and no charges related to a chop shop involving DM that we know of.

All my opinion only, again, except for the facts.

 

[SnooperDuper]

For all we know, one of the hangar elves might have taken some parts of the Harley home to his own garage in order to work on them. LE would then have more dirt on him than DM and could threaten the elf with charges if he did not testify against DM. So, no charges in exchange for the elf's testimony.

I think the chop shop was a hobby not a business, more of a lemonade stand than a coffee shop.

I think DM was developing a criminal lifestyle, and thought of himself as quite a master criminal because he had daring. He casually crossed every moral line. The stolen Harley is just one small thing in a larger general pattern. IMO.

 

[Arnie M]

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The very first thing Dellen was charged with was theft over $5000
There could be additional counts , but he does not have to be charged again.

By default he is then also charged with possession of stolen goods ... he still had the truck ... and if he has additional possessions they can just add them to the list.

Just because every detail hasn't been reported yet means nothing in a large multi faceted case like this .

I do not think he has been charged with purchasing an illegally trafficked firearm , but I am sure he will be , because we know the seller has been charged

I acknowledge my post is a complete waste of time

This subject has been beaten to death so many times we could get charged with murdering a dead horse.

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[Kamille]

For all we know, one of the hangar elves might have taken some parts of the Harley home to his own garage in order to work on them. LE would then have more dirt on him than DM and could threaten the elf with charges if he did not testify against DM. So, no charges in exchange for the elf's testimony.

I think the chop shop was a hobby not a business, more of a lemonade stand than a coffee shop.

I think DM was developing a criminal lifestyle, and thought of himself as quite a master criminal because he had daring. He casually crossed every moral line. The stolen Harley is just one small thing in a larger general pattern. IMO.

Exactly. There is no large "chop shop" operation IMO. No gangs, organized crime bosses, etc to form a conspiracy against DM for anything. All of DM's vehicles in those hangars were old vehicles revamped with "new" (stolen?) parts by him and his "employees". Except for the Yukon and the Ram. Which likely needed a new engine to guarantee it would make it to Baha hauling that trailer once again. It was a HOBBY that he enjoyed, hence why he would want to attempt to replace the engine in the Ram rather than spend money on someone else's used vehicle, that may also need some engine overhauling, or $80,000 minimum to get a new one with all the features of the red one. Better to get one for free first and see if they could merge the two trucks into one super hauling Ram truck, for fun.

I bet those hangar elves have some interesting stories.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

If you can use one charge to cover other similar crimes, every criminal would want that deal. Steal as many things as you want and only face one count and one charge? That would just encourage crime sprees, realistically, like an all you can eat crime buffet.

As it is pointed out above, LE may have suspected a chop shop in the beginning, but have had over 2 years to investigate and still did not see fit to press charges against DM for the theft of the Harley, the trailer or any other vehicles. If LE can't prove who did it but want to charge someone anyway, why didn't they already? We know know that LE knows the name of the person that the trailer was registered to when it was stolen, and still DM was not charged with stealing it. That would lead people to believe that either DM wasn't the one that it was registered to, or that LE are incompetent, and I choose to believe the first option, personally.

The photos of cars and trucks in pieces were photos from another place and another time, they do not represent the MillardAir hanger in 2012 in any way. The photos of the new hanger looked completely different, gleaming and sparse. It would be quite a leap to say that the older photos of a different location are more representative and relevant than the new photos of the actual place, in my opinion.

Wasn't SS also employed while WM was still alive and no doubt a regular attendee at the hanger? To insinuate that DM was running a chop shop with someone who is not named as a suspect in anything is a bad enough accusation, but that would also mean that WM had to have been in on it too, since it was happening right under his nose for years, and in different locations, according to this insinuation.

If business as usual happened when WM was still alive, continued after his death, and was reinstated a few days after DM was arrested, in full view of LE who were no doubt continuing their investigation at the time, I doubt that 'business as usual' had been at all nefarious. LE would not have allowed an illegal business to continue as usual, that wouldn't make sense.

I'm curious why anyone would want to convert one vehicle to another nearly identical vehicle if you would need pretty much a whole new vehicle for all the parts, when it would be far easier just to trade in one for the other without going through all the intensive physical labour and expense involved? Especially if time was of the essence. Chopping and altering vehicles is not illegal, just the stealing part is.

The facts remain that there is no proof of a chop shop at the hanger and no charges related to a chop shop involving DM that we know of.

All my opinion only, again, except for the facts.

LE obviously found vehicles in pieces and numerous vehicle parts in the new hangar in order for them to believe that the hangar MAY have been used as a chop shop. The pictures of the new hangar we've seen were likely all taken when WM was alive and the hangar was fairly new. Or were not taken from an angle that shows a certain area of it.

No one is insinuating that WM or SS had any idea where DM MAY have been getting the parts and used vehicles in the hangars. Business as usual likely just refers to the fact that SS was employed by DM to work on used vehicles for his personal pleasure. Likely if he was employed when WM was still alive, WM may have questioned that hiring. WM is unfortunately no longer alive for LE to question about that.

MOO