Harley in the Hangar: Chop Shop?

[bessie]

So are we generally agreed then that DM, a high school dropout, sociopath, dog bisquit eater and all around lout, squandered his family's wealth, murdered TB either for the thrill of it and/or a fit of entitlement petulance simply wanted the victim's old truck enough to murder him, then disposed of the remains by burning them in or around a little incinerator on his farm and then, with the constabulary on his tail, incriminated his own mother by parking the stolen truck in her driveway. He also murdered his father and one or more girlfriends, made soft movies in one hangar and ran a chop shop in the other and in a final coup de grace for the family company, cancelled licensing of necessary credentials and closed down the operations entirely. That seems to be about the size of it, imo, at least according to the information we've received so far, MOO. Have I missed anything?

I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

 

[bessie]

I'm curious why Waterloo LE aren't investigating this "chop shop" on their own. As per SnooperDuper's link above, they'll only become involved if some of the parts or vehicles turn out to be stolen from their area??? It was the Waterloo LE that said it "fits with a typical chop shop", this supposed chop shop is in their area, but their not going to investgate it? They're leaving it all up to the Hamilton murder investigation to let them know if they find anything stolen from Waterloo? I would have thought that, if a chop shop was found by other LE in your area, the local LE would be obligated to investigate that. Technically, Hamilton LE should care less about the other vehicles, since they're investigating a murder case. (Except of course for the vehicles that were used in the murder case.) Maybe that's why we haven't heard about any charges for the motorcycle. It sounds like it would be up to TPS to lay those charges because the theft happened in their jurisdiction. But first, they have to figure out who to charge.

Sounds like Waterloo is deferring to Hamilton. TB was killed over his truck, allegedly. The chop shop could be a factor in a conspiracy. Maybe, maybe not. But for now, it's Hamilton's ballgame.

 

[Snoofo]

I'm curious why Waterloo LE aren't investigating this "chop shop" on their own. As per SnooperDuper's link above, they'll only become involved if some of the parts or vehicles turn out to be stolen from their area??? It was the Waterloo LE that said it "fits with a typical chop shop", this supposed chop shop is in their area, but their not going to investgate it? They're leaving it all up to the Hamilton murder investigation to let them know if they find anything stolen from Waterloo? I would have thought that, if a chop shop was found by other LE in your area, the local LE would be obligated to investigate that. Technically, Hamilton LE should care less about the other vehicles, since they're investigating a murder case. (Except of course for the vehicles that were used in the murder case.) Maybe that's why we haven't heard about any charges for the motorcycle. It sounds like it would be up to TPS to lay those charges because the theft happened in their jurisdiction. But first, they have to figure out who to charge.

IMO the chop shop operation is being investigated as part of the murder investigation. Which would align nicely with one of my few alternative theories! . I don't know a whole heck of a lot but I can't imagine any other reason why the HPS would trump Waterloo Police in dealing with it. It is not in their jurisdiction so it can only be for a very good and serious reason, IMHO. Also, we don't know for certain if any evidence from the murder was found at the hangar (at least none that I recall, and I do understand that if we didnt hear it doesn't mean nothing was found) so that makes them taking over chop shop investigation even more intriguing.

 

[Archangel7]

So are we generally agreed then that DM, a high school dropout, sociopath, dog bisquit eater and all around lout, squandered his family's wealth, murdered TB either for the thrill of it and/or a fit of entitlement petulance simply wanted the victim's old truck enough to murder him, then disposed of the remains by burning them in or around a little incinerator on his farm and then, with the constabulary on his tail, incriminated his own mother by parking the stolen truck in her driveway. He also murdered his father and one or more girlfriends, made soft movies in one hangar and ran a chop shop in the other and in a final coup de grace for the family company, cancelled licensing of necessary credentials and closed down the operations entirely. That seems to be about the size of it, imo, at least according to the information we've received so far, MOO. Have I missed anything?

You should make the closing argument for the Crown before it rests it's case.
just change the video part to stills, and stress the chop shop.

 

[Carli]

So are we generally agreed then that DM, a high school dropout with a possible learning disability, drug dealer, sociopath, eurotrash wannabe, dog bisquit eater and all around irresponsible lout with a funny hairdo and tattoos, squandered his family's wealth, murdered TB either for the thrill of it or in a fit of entitlement petulance just because he wanted the victim's old truck enough to murder him, then disposed of the remains by burning them in or around a little incinerator on his farm and then, with the constabulary on his tail, tried to incriminate his own mother by parking the stolen truck in her driveway. He also murdered his father and one or more girlfriends, shot photos in one hangar and ran a chop shop in the other and in a final coup de grace for the family company, cancelled licensing of necessary credentials and closed down the operations entirely. That seems to be about the size of it, imo, at least according to the information we've received so far, MOO. Have I missed anything?

Quote including edits and additions thoughtfully provided by others for which I'm most grateful. MOO.

 

[Blomquist]

Quote including edits and additions thoughtfully provided by others for which I'm most grateful. MOO.

ummm there are a couple of omissions... IMO

I am still trying to get my head around the part where he becomes an unintelligent, non diligent, simpleton/loser from him asking questions about his dads company lacking the required contracts to ensure that the business is on solid ground. But being that he is also allegedly a plagiarist, maybe he got that idea from someone else !!! JMO IMO MOO
:moo:
:hourglass:

 

[Orgona]

I don't think someone have to be overly intelligent to be able to ask the question how much money is the company making when inheriting it.
It's normal to ask questions, especially if the one person is not exactly interested in the trading the company is specialized in and is interested to enjoy the family fortune without to putting more money into a seemingly bottomless pit or has another business in mind. It is also not a rocket science in that case to ask what needs to be done to stop throwing the money away. The advise would have been to cancel all those permissions and licenses and fire personels not needed which are costing money and see what can be done with the rest of the company.

I think is naive to think that the family wasn't working with advisers, company lawyers who could have been helping DM to decide what to do and do the necessary steps according what he wished to achieve.

It's not uncommon that third, fourth generations of a family business are closing up shop their family has worked hard for, because they don't share the passion for that particular trade, or because they have absolutely no idea how to run the company or they have no aspirations of even owning a company. Some of them gets lucky and finds a good buyer and can open another business which they are interested in and can grow from there. Some will just live the life doing nothing making the family fortune shrink or even completely disappear.

While trying to close or downsize the inherited business is not a proof of someone being unintelligent it's also not a proof of being someone intelligent, well educated. It's only a proof of that the person inheriting it is not interested in it or is not able to make it work.

All the above is MOO.

 

[Blomquist]

I don't think someone have to be overly intelligent to be able to ask the question how much money is the company making when inheriting it.
It's normal to ask questions, especially if the one person is not exactly interested in the trading the company is specialized in and is interested to enjoy the family fortune without to putting more money into a seemingly bottomless pit or has another business in mind. It is also not a rocket science in that case to ask what needs to be done to stop throwing the money away. The advise would have been to cancel all those permissions and licenses and fire personels not needed which are costing money and see what can be done with the rest of the company.

I think is naive to think that the family wasn't working with advisers, company lawyers who could have been helping DM to decide what to do and do the necessary steps according what he wished to achieve.

It's not uncommon that third, fourth generations of a family business are closing up shop their family has worked hard for, because they don't share the passion for that particular trade, or because they have absolutely no idea how to run the company or they have no aspirations of even owning a company. Some of them gets lucky and finds a good buyer and can open another business which they are interested in and can grow from there. Some will just live the life doing nothing making the family fortune shrink or even completely disappear.

While trying to close or downsize the inherited business is not a proof of someone being unintelligent it's also not a proof of being someone intelligent, well educated. It's only a proof of that the person inheriting it is not interested in it or is not able to make it work.

All the above is MOO.

Agreed

Or forced out of that particular business JMO

 

[bessie]

Unless someone can come up with proof that anyone alleges DM is guilty based on a hairstyle, that entire subject is off limits. A little joking around is okay, but it's degraded to the level of snark, and that's not okay.

 

[Claroon]

Unless someone can come up with proof that anyone alleges DM is guilty based on a hairstyle, that entire subject is off limits. A little joking around is okay, but it's degraded to the level of snark, and that's not okay.

IMO - A final word--Most of DM's more recent hairstyles according to released photos are pretty normal, so the hairstyle thing really is not an issue IMO. I believe it was temporary and speculate it might have been copied from a specific UFC Fighter--it might make sense if DM were going to watch a UFC fight he might do his hair to emulate the guy.

Here's a link of a photo of the fighter with the mohawk fyi. http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/ufc_actually_suspends_dan_hardy_not_csac_298073

 

[Sillybilly]

Stolen vehicles broken down into parts, serial numbers ground out. Five or five hundred, a chop shop's a chop shop. Low volume doesn't make it any less so.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3...anger-may-have-been-one-big-chop-shop-police/

Agreed, and not to mention what may have gone in and out and over what period of time it was in operation.

 

[Blomquist]

Agreed, and not to mention what may have gone in and out and over what period of time it was in operation.

Would also be nice to know who was operations manager (chop shop)..... Someone was knowledgeable about bike/car/truck parts <modsnip> DM apparently likes cars but does not work on them, according to aforementioned unlinkable links.. From that I presume IMO this means he would not be mechanically minded as in specific parts and labouring to install/dismantle.

Based on this IMO someone else is doing the bidding as to which parts are 'needed' and someone else is doing the installing/dismantling. Also I believe it would take at least two mechanically minded people to complete tasks required to effect a working chop shop. It does not yet appear <modsnip> that MS was a mechanic. This IMO means two other people (at least) are/were the operators of said chop shop. JMO MOO

 

[Snoofo]

Would also be nice to know who was operations manager (chop shop)..... Someone was knowledgeable about bike/car/truck parts <modsnip> DM apparently likes cars but does not work on them, according to aforementioned unlinkable links.. From that I presume IMO this means he would not be mechanically minded as in specific parts and labouring to install/dismantle.

Based on this IMO someone else is doing the bidding as to which parts are 'needed' and someone else is doing the installing/dismantling. Also I believe it would take at least two mechanically minded people to complete tasks required to effect a working chop shop. It does not yet appear <modsnip> that MS was a mechanic. This IMO means two other people (at least) are/were the operators of said chop shop. JMO MOO

Perhaps he was renting out to them already? Airport manager indicated to MSM that DM was trying to look at other viable options for rental when cancelling certificate. Maybe he was already renting to these friends.

 

[Blomquist]

Perhaps he was renting out to them already? Airport manager indicated to MSM that DM was trying to look at other viable options for rental when cancelling certificate. Maybe he was already renting to these friends.

Yes possibly... and I will bet that by now anyone connected to chop shop activity will have a cast iron alibi for the night TB went missing !! JMO

 

[Carli]

I have a big problem with the whole chop shop riff, imo. Even a cursory look though linkedins will turn up the names and backgounds of a dozen or more highly qualified aeronautics repair and maintenance personnel and a highly skilled management team in the employ of MillardAir in 2012 and early 2013. I seriously doubt that these people would be jeopardizing their futures in the airline industries by heisting cars. JMO. How that motorbike & trailer materialized in the hangar is anybody's guess at this point, imo. Maybe after police lay charges in the matter we can have a clearer understanding?

 

[Archangel7]

I have a big problem with the whole chop shop riff, imo. Even a cursory look though linkedins will turn up the names and backgounds of a dozen or more highly qualified aeronautics repair and maintenance personnel and a highly skilled management team in the employ of MillardAir in 2012 and early 2013. I seriously doubt that these people would be jeopardizing their futures in the airline industries by heisting cars. JMO. How that motorbike & trailer materialized in the hangar is anybody's guess at this point, imo. Maybe after police lay charges in the matter we can have a clearer understanding?

They may have already charged him, a long time ago.........

As in theft over $5000
count 1
count 2
count 3......

 

[ArianeEmory]

I've mentioned it before, but the Harley's trailer was registered as a homemade trailer "within hours" of the trailer/bike theft. If it was anyone's name but DM's on it, I suspect we would have heard of another arrest.

 

[Blomquist]

I've mentioned it before, but the Harley's trailer was registered as a homemade trailer "within hours" of the trailer/bike theft. If it was anyone's name but DM's on it, I suspect we would have heard of another arrest.

It would not have been an arrest linked to the murder , so maybe we would not have heard of it JMO. If the trailer had not been registered before being stolen maybe the owner registered it so that he had a chance of having it returned....we have no idea of course as the information released is so scant. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

It would not have been an arrest linked to the murder , so maybe we would not have heard of it JMO. If the trailer had not been registered before being stolen maybe the owner registered it so that he had a chance of having it returned....we have no idea of course as the information released is so scant. JMO

You register a trailer so it is street legal. If the trailer were not registered, it would not have plates, and you couldn't take it out on the street. The Sun says the trailer was worth $7500...I doubt you would spend that much money and not register the thing, leaving it as functional as a box.

 

[Blomquist]

You register a trailer so it is street legal. If the trailer were not registered, it would not have plates, and you couldn't take it out on the street. The Sun says the trailer was worth $7500...I doubt you would spend that much money and not register the thing, leaving it as functional as a box.

Yes i know why people register trailers...but what if it wasn't registered? Just suggesting it.... I guess the problem is when we have no materials to build the case on we have to keep speculating....It could have been registered by someone we have yet to hear about also...... wish there were more actual facts on the table.... JMO